Are there any videos out there of band/callers doing rolling starts or musical walk thrus? Seth Tepfer Director of Administrative Computing Oxford College 770-784-8487 seth.tepfer(a)emory.edu Use AskIT for fastest response: Oxford.emory.edu/AskIT<https://app.oxford.emory.edu/WebApps/OCIT/forms/A… <https://app.oxford.emory.edu/WebApps/Directories/index.cfm?fuseaction=v.searchresults&searchname=tepfer> ________________________________ This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments).

I also don't want to read any more of Michael's replies, particularly on this issue (but also on others: see the comparing shadow swings to groping, etc). Several people have asked him to stop, but he won't. But I don't think "this list isn't working" just because some of us think one person is rude. Maybe others disagree, and find his comments helpful. Great! To each their own. But I can't figure out a way to block receiving his emails without also blocking quite a bit of other traffic on this list. Has anybody else been able to do so? Moderators, would this be a feature that could be added? On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Ron Blechner via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net&gt; wrote: -- David Casserly (cell) 781 258-2761

Hello Ron: Your statement  "we're comparing our having fun traveling to various dances to the widespread persecution of an ethnicity (the worst being the Holocaust)." was an intentional, malicious, misguided   personal attack on every contradancer who speaks the words "dance gypsy," who uses the word "gypsy" when teaching a dance, who has a T-shirt or bumper sticker with those innocuous words,  or who converses about "gypsy" figure--no matter how much socially consciousness that dancer may be in thought and in deed.       You probably should not participate in any public forum about even a mildly controversial topic, if you take personal affront at someone who, with an accompanying explanation, refers to an idea you  expressed as absurd. Maybe you need a more specific example.   In the past 6 months I attended two dance  weekends which featured a particular well known caller.    The first weekend this caller used a surrogate for "gypsy."   The next weekend, several months later,  this caller used the term "gypsy."   Any suggestion that this caller was now "having fun" with "the persecution of an ethnicity (the worst being the Holocaust)"  will strike most people as absurd--whether you think so or not. And your associating with  the Holocaust any aspect of contra dancing seems six million times more tasteless and inappropriate than someone  referring, with explanation, to an idea of yours as absurd.  You owe everyone on this list an apology Michael Fuerst      802 N Broadway      Urbana IL 61801      217 239 5844

On Mon, Apr 04, 2016, Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote: You happen to be wrong about that. Any time you're tempted to use "nobody" or "everyone" when talking about people, you're almost certainly wrong. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html

Hello Ron: You wrote:  "My post said I found 3 points "interesting", and listed the three points.  I didn't even link the article on Shared Weight in the first place."    Is it bizarre for readers of this thread to assume you listed the three points because you approved or agreed with them? To answer your questions:Ever hear the phrase, "don't shoot the messenger "?   Yes.  Calling a particular instance of a person's logic bizarre  is not calling a person bizarre.Should Amy be chastised for linking that article here?    NoOf all people, are you the one in a position to chastise about bad behavior on this list?    (a)  Yes  (b) Ever hear the phrase, "don't shoot the messenger "?As an aside, I worked in my previous career on a year-long project with the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.   Your alleged appreciation of the global  tragedy of  which the museum serves to remind us  is all the more reason you owe us an apology for associating the tragedy with contra dancing.       Michael Fuerst      802 N Broadway      Urbana IL 61801      217 239 5844

I don't want to cause anyone pain, intended or not. That's always been my goal. While I have not received any complaints from any World War II survivors or close relatives of them (of which I am, as well) about this, I feel like discussing this topic on Shared Weight is not going anywhere. So I won't so so anytime soon. If you are a World War II survivor, please contact me privately and I will apologize to you if I've caused you pain. Sincerely, Ron On Apr 4, 2016 10:06 AM, "Bob Isaacs" &lt;isaacsbob(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote:

A description of how to capture the actual originator (not just the list) sent to Dave off-list. Thanx, Ric From: Callers [mailto:callers-bounces@lists.sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Dave Casserly via Callers Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 6:54 AM To: Caller's discussion list &lt;callers(a)sharedweight.net&gt; Subject: Re: [Callers] here it is - sorry I also don't want to read any more of Michael's replies, particularly on this issue (but also on others: see the comparing shadow swings to groping, etc). Several people have asked him to stop, but he won't. But I don't think "this list isn't working" just because some of us think one person is rude. Maybe others disagree, and find his comments helpful. Great! To each their own. But I can't figure out a way to block receiving his emails without also blocking quite a bit of other traffic on this list. Has anybody else been able to do so? Moderators, would this be a feature that could be added? On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Ron Blechner via Callers &lt;callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net> > wrote: I'm really tired of personal attacks here on Shared Weight, and a high percentage comes from one person. I've asked Michael Fuerst to not contact me again. I've already cut down my usage, but if we can't trade ideas without having them called "bizarre" and "absurd", then this list isn't working. On Apr 4, 2016 1:56 AM, "Michael Fuerst" &lt;mjerryfuerst(a)yahoo.com <mailto:mjerryfuerst@yahoo.com> > wrote: Ron: "we're comparing our having fun traveling to various dances to the widespread persecution of an ethnicity (the worst being the Holocaust)." Maybe you do. No one else uses such bizarre logic. Conbtradancers as a group are about as left of center and non-discriminatory in their beliefs as any non-political group gets. Your suggestion is absurd Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844 <tel:217%20239%205844> On Sunday, April 3, 2016 8:38 PM, Ron Blechner &lt;contraron(a)gmail.com <mailto:contraron@gmail.com> > wrote: That article had a few interesting *new* points, for me. 1. That Roma are in the US, not just Europe, and face continued discrimination. 2. That Roma in the US often don't speak up about their identity out of fear of discrimination. 3. That perhaps the use of "gypsy" as a term isn't as bad as non-Roma self-identitying as "dance gypsies". Roma wander because they are persecuted or can't find work. When we talk about "dance gypsies" beig wandering from place to place, we're comparing our having fun traveling to various dances to the widespread persecution of an ethnicity (the worst being the Holocaust). On Apr 1, 2016 10:03 AM, "via Callers" &lt;callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net> > wrote: I was thinking that very thing, but didn't have any experiences. Something I read recently pointed out that Romani people in Spain proudly refer to themselves as "Gitano" which translates to Gypsy. This is issue is not as cut and dry as many of us would like it to be. Thanks for sharing this story. ****************************************************************************************************** Amy Carroll amy(a)calleramy.com <mailto:amy@calleramy.com> 206-330-7408 http://www.calleramy.com/ On April 1, 2016 at 9:02 AM Rich Sbardella &lt;richsbardella(a)gmail.com <mailto:richsbardella@gmail.com> > wrote: There are still at least two sides to this argument. Although I am using the term less and less, I want to relate a recent experience. I was dancing in one of MA biggest contra venues as a caller walked the a dance with a "two eyed" turn. A dancer in my line became more than a little upset, yelling it "it's a gypsy". Turns out the dancer is Romani, and the term "gypsy" is one he proudly owns. I do not think the Roma people as a whole have come to a consensus. (For example, The Gypsy Kings proudly use the term as a reference to their heritage.) Rich Stafford On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 4:56 AM, Michael Fuerst via Callers &lt;callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net> > wrote: Ms Carroll: Quite frankly a fairly useless article for us. Ms Raessi is "a Romani/Métis researcher and activist" so it seems logical that she dislikes the term gypsy. She lists alleged myths stereotypes about Romani people Every ethnic group has an associated set of myths and stereotypes. Every ethnic group tries to purge the negative stereotypes and retain the positive aspects of their heritage. Ms Raessi writes "many people find that using this term is wrong because it perpetuates misinformation about our origins" This makes little sense. Anyone person bigoted enough to entertain any of her alleged stereotypes has no idea about the origins of Romani people. Ms Raessi writes "...the term has been used as a racial slur and is loaded with stereotypes ..." Yes the word gypsy has been used to deprecate Romani people but over the years it evolved to mean a free-spirited or nomadic person. Other ethnic slurs (such as kike, chink, jap or nigger) have not similarly evolved, and thus their use remains offensive. This article discusses some English words or idioms that evolved from ethnic slurs: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/24/offensive-words-_n_4144472.html The ongoing discussion during the past year of the word gypsy has included claims that some persons of Romani descent embrace gypsy and its positive aspects of current usage, most don't care, and some hate the word. And of course only those who object will speak out. As long the common usage of gypsy keeps evolving towards a free-spirited or nomadic person, keeping it in the contra lexicon seems appropriate Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 584 On Thursday, March 31, 2016 11:32 PM, via Callers &lt;callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net> > wrote: http://bellydanceu.net/culture/520/ "What's wrong with the Word 'Gypsy'?" ****************************************************************************************************** Amy Carroll amy(a)calleramy.com <mailto:amy@calleramy.com> 206-330-7408 http://www.calleramy.com/ _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net -- David Casserly (cell) 781 258-2761

On 4/4/2016 9:10 AM, Darwin Gregory via Callers wrote: Ok, cool. Wait. Why does the word "gypsy" imply flirtatious eye contact? (I'm not trying to police what words you use or what you do when calling, but I don't understand your logic here, which seems to be: "gypsy in dance context harmlessly refers to dance gypsies, not ethnic Gypsies" "'gypsy' is the only satisfying term for the figure I've heard because it implies flirtatious eye contact". I'm kinda suspecting that the implication of flirtatious eye contact is because of ideas of ethnic gypsies, gypsy dance, etc, but maybe you have another reason and I'd like to hear it. -- Alan

Here's one of me calling with Atlantic Crossing. Unplanned (but successful) rolling walk thru (though I did flub the first call as the dance started.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq1tKJb7z-Q On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:28 AM Tepfer, Seth via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net&gt; wrote: -- Jack Mitchell Durham, NC

Gallimaufry at Sandywoods (I don't know the caller): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqhxqdRsuSs . The drone of a (giant) hurdy-gurdy lends itself well to a rolling start. I recall seeing one of Nils Fredland and Elixir, but I haven't been able to find it again. Any others out there? This is something I have been keeping an eye out for, as well. On Mon, Apr 4, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Tepfer, Seth via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net&gt; wrote:

Don, I confess. It was me. Probably let it run too long, but the band was so hot. Come and join us w/ great locals Amy Larkin & Ben Foss, if you're in the area Jun 15, 7 PM. Sorry, couldn't help it, but it is a nice floor and has AC. On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:22 AM, Don Veino via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net&gt; wrote: