I recently had the following exchange on a different list with Michael
Shapiro (guitarist with U4):
>>> U4 just played the SwingShift weekend in Lexington/Berea. The caller was
Barbara Groh. She did something that I think most callers should do, but I
haven't seen before. After the sets were formed and people had done the hand
four, she then broke up the beginners sets that had formed at the end of the
lines. She asked then to move forward and intersperse themselves with the
more advanced dancers (so that they were more toward the beggining of the
line and the foursomes were not all beginners).
She was also good at letting the music be heard ...
>> Regarding the caller asking sets to reform in order to spread the less
experienced dancers throughout the hall, much tact is required. Generally,
callers strive to avoid calling attention to particular dancers other than
when asking people to watch a demonstration, but asking people to change
sets can have the effect of making them feel like there is attention on
them. In addition, newish dancers want to dance with people they know, even
if those friends may also be newish dancers.
>> Speaking to the entire crowd, I do encourage experienced dancers to share
their experience by asking someone they've never met to dance at least once
in the evening, and praise the community for being so welcoming to newcomer
dancers. So while I might be thinking "let's break up this clump of
confusion," it would not be good to say something that draws attention to
"you people right here."
>> I have asked, off mic, for a set of experienced dancers to offer to
repartner with a set of inexperienced dancers down the line.
To this list, I ask:
I'd be interested in the wording that Barbara Groh used (which I'm assuming
was quite gentle). I'm also guessing other callers on this list have
developed tactful ways to address this issue.
Richard gave the figures for a dance on YouTube as follows:
A1 Neighbor Dosido
A2 Gents Allemande L 1.5
B1 Long Lines Forward & Back
R & L across
B2 Ladies Chain Across
I don't know the tune, but it sounds to me like the dance starts with the long
lines and finishes with the partner swing. So, the beginning of the dance is cut
off the beginning of the YouTube clip and then comes around again at :32. That
also makes better choreographic sense, IMHO, and if that's correct then this is
Becket formation, not duple improper.
If so, then the notation would be:
A1 Long Lines Forward & Back
R & L across
A2 Ladies Chain Across
B1 Neighbor Dosido
B2 Gents Allemande L 1.5
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respectful discussion. You set the tone of this list and make it a great
Earlier (a year or two ago) I e-mailed sharedweight a question or
comment about squares. It never got sent around.
At the time, I figured someone was filtering the various e-mails and
wanted to make sure the discussion was geared only towards contra.
Fine. Now I see that others can send questions etc. about squares.
Am I being treated any differently than other people who are signed
up for sharedweight?
When I recieve an e-mail from sharedweight, the question and the
answers are in the same e-mail!!! It must be that the others get to
see the question and then answer it before I get to see the
question. Am I left out of the loop -like you're afraid that I'm
always going to jump in with my 2 cents (maybe because I'm an
If this is the case, I just want you to know that I rarely want to
respond to the questions and requests. I also realize that it's very
important for the new callers to voice their opinion and have a
Am I being treated differently from the others?
On Jan 20, 2010, at 12:00 PM, callers-request(a)sharedweight.net wrote:
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> All this talk of Squares, and with Ralph Page weekend and all
> reminded me that I found this on the web:
> for all you Rabbit fans:
> (we should always listen to the caller!)
> the scene: 2 mountain gents trying to get the best of Bugs
> of course Bugs turns the tables.....
> Bugs Bunnys Square
> Promenade across the floor. Sashay right on out the door.
> Out the door and into the glade and everybody promenade.
> Step right up you're doing fine.
> I'll pull your beard you'll pull mine.
> Yank it again like you did before.
> Break it up with a tug of war.
> Now into the brook and fish for the trout.
> Dive right in and splash about. Trout! Trout! Pretty little trout!
> One more splash and come right out.
> Shake like a hound-dog. Shake again.
> Wallow around in the old pig pen.
> Wallow some more. Y'all know how.
> Roll around like an old fat sow.
> Allemande left with your right hand.
> Follow through with a great left band. (?)
> Now lead your partner the dirty old thing.
> Follow through with an elbow swing.
> Grab a fence post. Hold it tight.
> Womp your partner with all your might.
> Hit him in the shin. Hit him in the head.
> Hit him again. The critter ain't dead.
> Womp him low and womp him high.
> Stick your finger in his eye.
> Pretty little ring. Pretty little sound. Bang your heads against the
> Promenade all around the room. Promenade like a bride and groom.
> Open up the door and step right in.
> Close the door and into a spin. Whirl! Whirl! Twist and twirl!
> Jump all around like a flying squirrel.
> Now don't you fuss and don't you swear.
> Just come right out and form a square.
> Now right hand over and left hand under.
> Both join hands and run like thunder.
> Over the hill and over the dale.
> Duck your head and lift your tail.
> Don't you stray and don't you roam.
> Turn to your partner. Promenade home.
> Corn in the cornfield. Wheat in the sack. Turn to your partner.
> And now you're home. Bow to your partner.
> Bow to the gent across the hall. And that is all!
> On 1/19/2010, "Jeff Kaufman" <jeff(a)alum.swarthmore.edu> wrote:
>> We ended up doing melanie's triplet (twice) and ladies star. There
>> turned out to be several non-dancer people so I gave up on the
>> "no-walkthrough" goal. The dances went pretty well; thanks!
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I have had just a little experience with this.
This may seem obvious but:
Always have the special needs person dance their gender. I have had
well-meaning partners put a woman with special needs (Down's) in the
man's role, and it makes it much harder for others to help them if
they get disoriented because the helpful person' s first thought is
to assume the special needs person is dancing their own gender.
Dances like the Virginia Reel (no gender critical) worked well with a
group of predominantly Down's Syndrome kids that I called for once.
Yes, it helps if the dance has a lot of connectedness and not walking
around by oneself. Even a do-si-do can be disorienting for a special
needs person, as opposed to an allemande.
I have had a couple of people that I am aware of who had borderline
autism come to the regular dances. They really enjoyed it and came
back many times. I think the good thing about the contra situation
for people with this condition is that the social interaction is
prescribed - they know exactly what to do with the people they meet,
star, do-si-do, swing, etc., there is structure, there is pattern.
Often open-ended social interactions are particularly difficult for
people with autism, and the social interaction during dancing in
contra is defined for them. Of course, it could be more difficult for
those with more severe disease.
Be flexible, and have a good time!
I am preparing for a public dance series where special needs folks, folks
with some learning disabilities, have been present in the past. I have my
share of easy dances but I am wondering if any of you have experience with
the special needs of special needs dancers. One of these dancers has been
described to me as on the autistic spectrum. Do you have experience
teaching such dancers? Were there approaches that worked well, or otherwise
good teaching that in this situation did not work well? Are there dances
you would suggest? Have you found that dances that keep dancers physically
connected are any better than those that do so less? Your help in giving as
many dancers a good time as possible will be appreciated by all.
P.S. The rest of the dancers at this series are already used to easy
Do you call squares? Are you available tonight (Friday, January 22)? Would
you like to come call a square or two or....
Tony's Rip-Snortin' Squares series is tonight and he has laryngitis. I
thought it would be cool if we could find several callers to call in his
place. If you are available and interested let me know, or just show up:
Calling by Tony Parkes//// ////// available callers
Music by Amy Cann & friends
8:00 pm - 11:00 pm
Payson Park Church
365 Belmont St
Belmont, MA 02478
I'm looking for some squares to learn to do at house parties. The
dancers would probably be contra dancers who haven't done many
squares, but squares work a lot better in kitchens. Easy stuff that
wouldn't need to be walked would be best. Looking online (probably
not in the right places) I'm mostly finding pretty complicated squares
or ones with lots of easy-for-square-dancer stuff like "separate, go
around two". Any suggestions?