I can only speak with reference to calling at NEFFA, as I have never applied to DownEast. As some of you may know that Linda Leslie is NEFFA's program chair, I will note that the program chair does not select performers for contra sessions.
Regarding NEFFA 2007, the following notice is now posted at http://neffa.org/perf_app.html - The Program Committee is not prepared to take your application at this time, since it is too late to apply for this year's NEFFA Festival. Please note that the application to perform is always available during the month of September, with a deadline in October. If you'd like to get an e-mail notice of application availability, send a blank e-mail to NEFFA_Performers-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com
So you can note on your calendar that September is a good time to check the NEFFA web site, and also arrange for a notice to pop up in your e-mail.
The NEFFA application invites you to come up with a briefly-described theme for your session, with a title of 20 characters or less. IMO, use your own judgment as to how important the theme is. If you are offering a concept that's really meaningful to you, don't be afraid to describe it. If what you really want to do is just call some hot contras, then IMO I wouldn't go overboard on the theme.
Unlike Northwest Folklife, callers and bands apply SEPARATELY to the New England Folk Festival. And I believe that this is a very good thing for beginning callers who hope to have a chance at getting onstage. This mix-and-match policy gives a fresh perspective for experienced performers, and can be an eye-opening experience for newcomers who may get to work with seasoned veterans. I will never forget calling at NEFFA with Northern Spy, a band that has worked with caller David Millstone for 25 years. And where was David during this session? Out on the floor, happily dancing to the music of his own band. NEFFA's selection process made that wonderful hour possible for me.
For what it's worth, the first year I successfully applied I asked for a "Festival Orchestra" slot, which means that instead of calling a themed, hour-long session I called two dances in the Main Hall with the assembled orchestra and then got off the stage as the next Festival Orchestra caller had a turn. IMO, the key here (as well as in submitting a session proposal) is to choose dances that you know by heart, can teach well, fully believe in, and love to share with a crowd. You don't want to have second thoughts as you approach the microphone.
If you're wondering why performer applications are required so far in advance of a festival, note that NEFFA may have 1700 performers, many of whom perform in multiple sessions (perhaps performing alone, and with a participatory dance group, and also with a concert performance group!). You can't doublebook a performer (or larger groups to which she may belong), you have to give her time to move from one venue to another, plus a bunch of other scheduling etceteras that would drive me loony to contemplate further. How scheduling was done in the days before computers is beyond me.
--
Robert Jon Golder
164 Maxfield St
New Bedford, MA 02740
(508) 999-2486
Hi All:
Faced with a largely beginner audience at a recent festival, I came up with the following when the band wanted high-energy Petronellas in the A's. I suspect it isn't new, but have been unable to find it in the usual sources. Thanks in advance for whoever has the author/title; otherwise I'll have to come up with one -
Improper
A1. Balance, Petronella, balance, Petronella
A2. N1 balance, swing
B1. Gents allemande L 1 1/2, partner swing
B2. Circle L 3/4 and pass through, N2 dosido and form ring
Yes, I know - I need to write a new Petronella dance like I need a hole in my head. Some things just can't be helped -
Bob
Bob,
I've danced pretty much this sequence as a Becket starting at B2. Can't
remember who or where. I remember it because it not only was a "barely
Becket" but you immediately progressed away from your neighbor couple.
-Eric
>Hi All:
>
>
>
>Faced with a largely beginner audience at a recent festival, I came
>up with the following when the band wanted high-energy Petronellas
>in the A's. I suspect it isn't new, but have been unable to find it
>in the usual sources. Thanks in advance for whoever has the
>author/title; otherwise I'll have to come up with one -
>
>
>
>Improper
>
>
>
>A1. Balance, Petronella, balance, Petronella
>
>
>
>A2. N1 balance, swing
>
>
>
>B1. Gents allemande L 1 1/2, partner swing
>
>
>
>B2. Circle L 3/4 and pass through, N2 dosido and form ring
>
>
>
>Yes, I know - I need to write a new Petronella dance like I need a
>hole in my head. Some things just can't be helped -
>
>
>
>Bob
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> 5. Re: Seen This One Before? (Bob Isaacs)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 23:17:56 -0400
> From: Bob Isaacs <isaacsbob(a)hotmail.com>
> To: Shared Weight <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: [Callers] Seen This One Before?
> Message-ID: <BAY172-W16AD941808B9A31268F9FAAA6B0(a)phx.gbl>
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> Hi All:
>
>
>
> Faced with a largely beginner audience at a recent festival, I came up
> with the following when the band wanted high-energy Petronellas in the A's.
> I suspect it isn't new, but have been unable to find it in the usual
> sources. Thanks in advance for whoever has the author/title; otherwise
> I'll have to come up with one -
>
>
>
> Improper
>
>
>
> A1. Balance, Petronella, balance, Petronella
>
>
>
> A2. N1 balance, swing
>
>
>
> B1. Gents allemande L 1 1/2, partner swing
>
>
>
> B2. Circle L 3/4 and pass through, N2 dosido and form ring
>
>
>
> Yes, I know - I need to write a new Petronella dance like I need a hole in
> my head. Some things just can't be helped -
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:23:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Mac Mckeever <macmck(a)ymail.com>
> To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Seen This One Before?
> Message-ID:
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>
> pretty basic - but haven't seen it bofore
>
> So - will it be called 'hole in my head' ?
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bob Isaacs <isaacsbob(a)hotmail.com>
> To: Shared Weight <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 10:17 PM
> Subject: [Callers] Seen This One Before?
>
>
> Hi All:
>
>
>
> Faced with a largely beginner audience at a recent festival, I came up
> with the following when the band wanted high-energy Petronellas in the
> A's.? I suspect it isn't new, but have been unable to find it in the usual
> sources.? Thanks in advance for whoever has the author/title; otherwise
> I'll have to come up with one -
>
>
>
> Improper
>
>
>
> A1.? Balance, Petronella, balance, Petronella
>
>
>
> A2.? N1 balance, swing
>
>
>
> B1.? Gents allemande L 1 1/2, partner swing
>
>
>
> B2.? Circle L 3/4 and pass through, N2 dosido and form ring
>
>
>
> Yes, I know - I need to write a new Petronella dance like I need a hole in
> my head.? Some things just can't be helped -
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
> ??? ??? ??? ? ??? ??? ?
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:42:01 -0700
> From: Eric Black <eric(a)mirador.com>
> To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Seen This One Before?
> Message-ID: <p06230903ce18f1fe5678(a)[192.168.2.35]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
> Bob,
>
> I've danced pretty much this sequence as a Becket starting at B2. Can't
> remember who or where. I remember it because it not only was a "barely
> Becket" but you immediately progressed away from your neighbor couple.
>
> -Eric
>
>
> >Hi All:
> >
> >
> >
> >Faced with a largely beginner audience at a recent festival, I came
> >up with the following when the band wanted high-energy Petronellas
> >in the A's. I suspect it isn't new, but have been unable to find it
> >in the usual sources. Thanks in advance for whoever has the
> >author/title; otherwise I'll have to come up with one -
> >
> >
> >
> >Improper
> >
> >
> >
> >A1. Balance, Petronella, balance, Petronella
> >
> >
> >
> >A2. N1 balance, swing
> >
> >
> >
> >B1. Gents allemande L 1 1/2, partner swing
> >
> >
> >
> >B2. Circle L 3/4 and pass through, N2 dosido and form ring
> >
> >
> >
> >Yes, I know - I need to write a new Petronella dance like I need a
> >hole in my head. Some things just can't be helped -
> >
> >
> >
> >Bob
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:58:52 -0700
> From: Rich Goss <richgoss(a)comcast.net>
> To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Cc: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Seen This One Before?
> Message-ID: <288534A3-8006-47C5-8070-DEAA1332C372(a)comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> So you have a beginner crowd at a festival? Since when does the band get
> to dictate what you call? Just sayin'
>
> Rich
>
> On Jul 26, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Eric Black <eric(a)mirador.com> wrote:
>
> > Bob,
> >
> > I've danced pretty much this sequence as a Becket starting at B2. Can't
> > remember who or where. I remember it because it not only was a "barely
> > Becket" but you immediately progressed away from your neighbor couple.
> >
> > -Eric
> >
> >
> >> Hi All:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Faced with a largely beginner audience at a recent festival, I came up
> with the following when the band wanted high-energy Petronellas in the A's.
> I suspect it isn't new, but have been unable to find it in the usual
> sources. Thanks in advance for whoever has the author/title; otherwise
> I'll have to come up with one -
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Improper
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A1. Balance, Petronella, balance, Petronella
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A2. N1 balance, swing
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> B1. Gents allemande L 1 1/2, partner swing
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> B2. Circle L 3/4 and pass through, N2 dosido and form ring
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes, I know - I need to write a new Petronella dance like I need a hole
> in my head. Some things just can't be helped -
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bob
> > _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 06:14:46 -0400
> From: Bob Isaacs <isaacsbob(a)hotmail.com>
> To: Shared Weight <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Seen This One Before?
> Message-ID: <BAY172-W13D108BEBF9C99A35CCD14AA6B0(a)phx.gbl>
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>
> Rich:
>
>
>
> Good questions. This happened at the Clearwater Festival held at a park
> on the Hudson River about an hour north of NYC. Clearwater is much more
> about concerts than dancing - for example, on the main stage act at that
> time was some guy named Pete Seeger. The band was the ridiculously
> talented Giant Robot Dance, I was a last-minute fill-in for the Sunday
> session, and we had an hour. So most of the participants were folks who
> didn't realize Seeger was playing, wandered by the tent, and decided to
> give contra a try. So after three dances of dosido-and-away-we-go and
> put-the-lady-on-the-right, I wanted to give the contra regulars and the
> band something mildly interesting to finish with. Andrew van Norstrand
> suggested Petronellas, I happily agreed, and then - oops! - I realized I
> hadn't taught a ladies chain yet. After teaching the A1 the band went into
> rolling start mode, so I winged it and this dance is what happened.
>
>
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> > CC: callers(a)sharedweight.net
> > From: richgoss(a)comcast.net
> > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:58:52 -0700
> > To: callers(a)sharedweight.net
> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Seen This One Before?
> >
> > So you have a beginner crowd at a festival? Since when does the band get
> to dictate what you call? Just sayin'
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > On Jul 26, 2013, at 8:42 PM, Eric Black <eric(a)mirador.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > I've danced pretty much this sequence as a Becket starting at B2. Can't
> > > remember who or where. I remember it because it not only was a "barely
> > > Becket" but you immediately progressed away from your neighbor couple.
> > >
> > > -Eric
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hi All:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Faced with a largely beginner audience at a recent festival, I came
> up with the following when the band wanted high-energy Petronellas in the
> A's. I suspect it isn't new, but have been unable to find it in the usual
> sources. Thanks in advance for whoever has the author/title; otherwise I'll
> have to come up with one -
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Improper
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> A1. Balance, Petronella, balance, Petronella
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> A2. N1 balance, swing
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> B1. Gents allemande L 1 1/2, partner swing
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> B2. Circle L 3/4 and pass through, N2 dosido and form ring
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Yes, I know - I need to write a new Petronella dance like I need a
> hole in my head. Some things just can't be helped -
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Bob
> > > _______________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 07:27:01 -0700
> From: Greg McKenzie <grekenzie(a)gmail.com>
> To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Seen This One Before?
> Message-ID:
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> "Robotic Petronella?"
>
> or
>
> "Clearwater Petronella?"
>
> - Greg
>
> ***************
>
> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:14 AM, Bob Isaacs <isaacsbob(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Rich:
> >
> > Good questions. This happened at the Clearwater Festival held at a park
> > on the Hudson River about an hour north of NYC. Clearwater is much more
> > about concerts than dancing - for example, on the main stage act at that
> > time was some guy named Pete Seeger. The band was the ridiculously
> > talented Giant Robot Dance, I was a last-minute fill-in for the Sunday
> > session, and we had an hour. So most of the participants were folks who
> > didn't realize Seeger was playing, wandered by the tent, and decided to
> > give contra a try. So after three dances of dosido-and-away-we-go and
> > put-the-lady-on-the-right, I wanted to give the contra regulars and the
> > band something mildly interesting to finish with. Andrew van Norstrand
> > suggested Petronellas, I happily agreed, and then - oops! - I realized I
> > hadn't taught a ladies chain yet. After teaching the A1 the band went
> into
> > rolling start mode, so I winged it and this dance is what happened.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:58:04 -0400
> From: Maia McCormick <maia.mcc(a)gmail.com>
> To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Seen This One Before?
> Message-ID:
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>
> "Pete-ronella"?
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Greg McKenzie <grekenzie(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "Robotic Petronella?"
> >
> > or
> >
> > "Clearwater Petronella?"
> >
> > - Greg
> >
> > ***************
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:14 AM, Bob Isaacs <isaacsbob(a)hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Rich:
> > >
> > > Good questions. This happened at the Clearwater Festival held at a
> park
> > > on the Hudson River about an hour north of NYC. Clearwater is much
> more
> > > about concerts than dancing - for example, on the main stage act at
> that
> > > time was some guy named Pete Seeger. The band was the ridiculously
> > > talented Giant Robot Dance, I was a last-minute fill-in for the Sunday
> > > session, and we had an hour. So most of the participants were folks
> who
> > > didn't realize Seeger was playing, wandered by the tent, and decided to
> > > give contra a try. So after three dances of dosido-and-away-we-go and
> > > put-the-lady-on-the-right, I wanted to give the contra regulars and the
> > > band something mildly interesting to finish with. Andrew van Norstrand
> > > suggested Petronellas, I happily agreed, and then - oops! - I realized
> I
> > > hadn't taught a ladies chain yet. After teaching the A1 the band went
> > into
> > > rolling start mode, so I winged it and this dance is what happened.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 11:02:44 -0400
> From: "Rickey Holt" <holt.e(a)comcast.net>
> To: "'Caller's discussion list'" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Seen This One Before?
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I would like to vote for "Clearwater Petronella".
> Rickey Holt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: callers-bounces(a)sharedweight.net
> [mailto:callers-bounces@sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Maia McCormick
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 10:58 AM
> To: Caller's discussion list
> Subject: Re: [Callers] Seen This One Before?
>
> "Pete-ronella"?
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Greg McKenzie <grekenzie(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "Robotic Petronella?"
> >
> > or
> >
> > "Clearwater Petronella?"
> >
> > - Greg
> >
> > ***************
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:14 AM, Bob Isaacs <isaacsbob(a)hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Rich:
> > >
> > > Good questions. This happened at the Clearwater Festival held at a
> > > park on the Hudson River about an hour north of NYC. Clearwater is
> > > much more about concerts than dancing - for example, on the main
> > > stage act at that time was some guy named Pete Seeger. The band was
> > > the ridiculously talented Giant Robot Dance, I was a last-minute
> > > fill-in for the Sunday session, and we had an hour. So most of the
> > > participants were folks who didn't realize Seeger was playing,
> > > wandered by the tent, and decided to give contra a try. So after
> > > three dances of dosido-and-away-we-go and put-the-lady-on-the-right,
> > > I wanted to give the contra regulars and the band something mildly
> > > interesting to finish with. Andrew van Norstrand suggested
> > > Petronellas, I happily agreed, and then - oops! - I realized I
> > > hadn't taught a ladies chain yet. After teaching the A1 the band
> > > went
> > into
> > > rolling start mode, so I winged it and this dance is what happened.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Callers mailing list
> > Callers(a)sharedweight.net
> > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers
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>
What a great story. And the dance looks really useable and fun too: I'll try it out early on at my next dance.
I love the idea of naming it "Clearwater Pete-ronella"; what better than a pun to immortalize the event? Ha!
Tina
-----------------------
>Hi All:
>
>
>
>Faced with a largely beginner audience at a recent festival, I came up with the following when the band wanted high-energy Petronellas in the A's. I suspect it isn't new, but have been unable to find it in the usual sources. Thanks in advance for whoever has the author/title; otherwise I'll have to come up with one -
>
>
>
>Improper
>
>
>
>A1. Balance, Petronella, balance, Petronella
>
>
>
>A2. N1 balance, swing
>
>
>
>B1. Gents allemande L 1 1/2, partner swing
>
>
>
>B2. Circle L 3/4 and pass through, N2 dosido and form ring
>
>
>
>Yes, I know - I need to write a new Petronella dance like I need a hole in my head. Some things just can't be helped -
>
>
>
>Bob
>
>
>
>
I am dating a Mexican anthropology professor that I met at a
contradance at an Earth Skills festival in Gainesville FL and she is
now a complete convert. This past New Year's we got 20 of her family
and friends contradancing. They caught on quickly, really liked it
and would like me to start a regular contradance in Xalapa=Jalapa
where it actually has a better than average chance of working given
the large arts/ music community, and the numerous international
students and expats.
Given time constraints and going back and forth this is a long term
project but two weeks from today before I go back to the US (and my
contradance camp at Burning Man) I am supposed to put together a
contradance for a large party.
Any leads to possibly existing materials/ written explanations or
calls in Spanish would be appreciated. And given my travels to other
countries (especially French speaking) I wonder is there any
non-English material and/or calls? Thanks!
I am addressing this to Michael - but decided to use this group because I thought others might be interested
I am looking for a dance you wrote and called many years ago
It had contra corners done by the first corners (gent 1, lady 2) and had the curious side effect that you corners were always you partner and a shadow.
Does that ring a bell?
Thanks,
Mac McKeever
There is a québécois tradition of quadrilles and squares, all called in French. There is a modest literature and web presence devoted to Danse Traditionelle Quebecoise. I am unaware of any similar tradition for contras specifically.
Note that 'French' is a loose term here -- I seem to recall "swingez vos partenaires" for example.
R
Richard Hopkins
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> 1. Giant Robot Dance (Kalia Kliban)
> 2. And while I'm at it... (Kalia Kliban)
> 3. Re: And while I'm at it... (Jack Mitchell)
> 4. Re: And while I'm at it... (Linda Leslie)
> 5. Re: Giant Robot Dance (Linda Leslie)
> 6. Re: Giant Robot Dance (Kalia Kliban)
> 7. Re: And while I'm at it... (Jack Mitchell)
> 8. Re: Giant Robot Dance (Kalia Kliban)
> 9. Re: Giant Robot Dance (Michael Barraclough)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 13:21:02 -0700
>From: Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net>
>To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
>Subject: [Callers] Giant Robot Dance
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>I have a scribbled note from a dance weekend back in February that I
>really enjoyed this dance but I didn't get the author's name, and now
>all I can find online is references to the band with that name. Can
>anybody point me to a source?
>
>Kalia
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 13:41:20 -0700
>From: Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net>
>To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
>Subject: [Callers] And while I'm at it...
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>There are a couple of other dances I'm having trouble tracking down.
>One is Hotpoint Special, which I think may be by Rick Mohr, and again
>there's a band by that name. Criss-Cross Hey by Bob Isaacs is another.
>
>Kalia
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 16:46:32 -0400
>From: Jack Mitchell <jamitch3(a)mindspring.com>
>To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
>Subject: Re: [Callers] And while I'm at it...
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>*The Hotpoint Special *-- Joseph Pemental*Becket*
>
>*A1*Ladies Alle R 1?
>N Sw
>
>*A2*Gents Alle L 1?
>P Sw
>
>*B1*Ring Balance
>Pass thru to wave (ladies take LH, gents cross set, give RH to P)
>Wave Balance
>P Alle R, Gents Alle L
>
>*B2*Wave Balance
>from wave facing opp dir of progression -- look behind you for new N
>looking back at you
>Step forward, turn right,ladies follow partnerSingle file
>R&L Thru with these two**
>
>
>
>On 7/9/2013 4:41 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote:
>> There are a couple of other dances I'm having trouble tracking down.
>> One is Hotpoint Special, which I think may be by Rick Mohr, and again
>> there's a band by that name. Criss-Cross Hey by Bob Isaacs is another.
>>
>> Kalia
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>Message: 4
>Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 18:31:20 -0400
>From: Linda Leslie <laleslierjg(a)comcast.net>
>To: jamitch3(a)mindspring.com, Caller's discussion list
> <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
>Subject: Re: [Callers] And while I'm at it...
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>Rick has a very complete web page which includes all of his dances,
>and some great commentary!
>http://rickmohr.net/Contra/Dances.asp#Introduction
>
>Joseph's last name is spelled: Pimentel
>
>Jack: would you please clarify? In the dance below, the allemandes in
>the B1 are each 1/2, correct? And the Becket progression is to the
>right (counter clockwise)?
>Thanks for sharing the dance; such a creative way to progress!
>Linda
>
>On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Jack Mitchell wrote:
>
>> *The Hotpoint Special *-- Joseph Pemental*Becket*
>>
>> *A1*Ladies Alle R 1?
>> N Sw
>>
>> *A2*Gents Alle L 1?
>> P Sw
>>
>> *B1*Ring Balance
>> Pass thru to wave (ladies take LH, gents cross set, give RH to P)
>> Wave Balance
>> P Alle R, Gents Alle L
>>
>> *B2*Wave Balance
>> from wave facing opp dir of progression -- look behind you for new N
>> looking back at you
>> Step forward, turn right,ladies follow partnerSingle file
>> R&L Thru with these two**
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/9/2013 4:41 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote:
>>> There are a couple of other dances I'm having trouble tracking
>>> down. One is Hotpoint Special, which I think may be by Rick Mohr,
>>> and again there's a band by that name. Criss-Cross Hey by Bob
>>> Isaacs is another.
>>>
>>> Kalia
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>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 18:42:14 -0400
>From: Linda Leslie <laleslierjg(a)comcast.net>
>To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
>Subject: Re: [Callers] Giant Robot Dance
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>Dear Kalia,
>I am not sure that the dance you refer to is the following. However, I
>wrote this for Dance Flurry 2009, when I had the pleasure of calling
>there with Giant Robot. The session was titled "1,2,3,4 Swings". I
>would love to know if this is the dance in question!
>warmly, Linda
>
>Giant Robot Dance
>by Linda Leslie
>Contra/Becket-CW/Dbl-Prog/Easy
>
>A1 -----------
>Circle left three-quarters
>Pass through
>Next Neighbor do si do
>A2 -----------
>Same Neighbor B & S
>B1 -----------
>Long lines forward and back
>NEXT neighbor swing
>B2 -----------
>Give & Take to the Gent?s side
>
>On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote:
>
>> I have a scribbled note from a dance weekend back in February that I
>> really enjoyed this dance but I didn't get the author's name, and
>> now all I can find online is references to the band with that name.
>> Can anybody point me to a source?
>>
>> Kalia
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>Message: 6
>Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 16:16:55 -0700
>From: Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net>
>To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
>Subject: Re: [Callers] Giant Robot Dance
>Message-ID: <51DC99E7.2050400(a)sbcglobal.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>On 7/9/2013 3:42 PM, Linda Leslie wrote:
>> Dear Kalia,
>> I am not sure that the dance you refer to is the following. However, I
>> wrote this for Dance Flurry 2009, when I had the pleasure of calling
>> there with Giant Robot. The session was titled "1,2,3,4 Swings". I
>> would love to know if this is the dance in question!
>
>I suspect it is, since the one useful note I have aside from the name is
>that there were 2 neighbor swings. Thanks!
>
>Kalia
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 19:21:39 -0400
>From: Jack Mitchell <jamitch3(a)mindspring.com>
>To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
>Subject: Re: [Callers] And while I'm at it...
>Message-ID: <51DC9B03.7000106(a)mindspring.com>
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>Yes, the B1 allemandes are each 1/2 -- a swing thru in MWSD parlance.
>Thanks for the correction on the name.
>
>I don't have the direction of the progression written down (but should).
> Based on my walking it through with myself, though, it is indeed to
>the right.
>On 7/9/2013 6:31 PM, Linda Leslie wrote:
>> Rick has a very complete web page which includes all of his dances,
>> and some great commentary!
>> http://rickmohr.net/Contra/Dances.asp#Introduction
>>
>> Joseph's last name is spelled: Pimentel
>>
>> Jack: would you please clarify? In the dance below, the allemandes in
>> the B1 are each 1/2, correct? And the Becket progression is to the
>> right (counter clockwise)?
>> Thanks for sharing the dance; such a creative way to progress!
>> Linda
>>
>> On Jul 9, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Jack Mitchell wrote:
>>
>>> *The Hotpoint Special *-- Joseph Pemental*Becket*
>>>
>>> *A1*Ladies Alle R 1?
>>> N Sw
>>>
>>> *A2*Gents Alle L 1?
>>> P Sw
>>>
>>> *B1*Ring Balance
>>> Pass thru to wave (ladies take LH, gents cross set, give RH to P)
>>> Wave Balance
>>> P Alle R, Gents Alle L
>>>
>>> *B2*Wave Balance
>>> from wave facing opp dir of progression -- look behind you for new N
>>> looking back at you
>>> Step forward, turn right,ladies follow partnerSingle file
>>> R&L Thru with these two**
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/9/2013 4:41 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote:
>>>> There are a couple of other dances I'm having trouble tracking down.
>>>> One is Hotpoint Special, which I think may be by Rick Mohr, and
>>>> again there's a band by that name. Criss-Cross Hey by Bob Isaacs is
>>>> another.
>>>>
>>>> Kalia
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>
>Message: 8
>Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 16:22:00 -0700
>From: Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net>
>To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
>Subject: Re: [Callers] Giant Robot Dance
>Message-ID: <51DC9B18.3060004(a)sbcglobal.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>On 7/9/2013 3:42 PM, Linda Leslie wrote:
>> Giant Robot Dance
>> by Linda Leslie
>> Contra/Becket-CW/Dbl-Prog/Easy
>>
>> A1 -----------
>> Circle left three-quarters
>> Pass through
>> Next Neighbor do si do
>> A2 -----------
>> Same Neighbor B & S
>> B1 -----------
>> Long lines forward and back
>> NEXT neighbor swing
>> B2 -----------
>> Give & Take to the Gent?s side
>
>Is there more to the B2? I think of a give and take as an 8-beat move.
> P swing maybe?
>
>Kalia
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 19:28:02 -0400
>From: Michael Barraclough <michael(a)michaelbarraclough.com>
>To: callers(a)sharedweight.net
>Subject: Re: [Callers] Giant Robot Dance
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>Give and take includes a swing - the give and take part should be as
>fast as possible to allow for a longer swing.
>
>Michael Barraclough
>www.michaelbarraclough.com
>
>On Tue, 2013-07-09 at 16:22 -0700, Kalia Kliban wrote:
>
>> On 7/9/2013 3:42 PM, Linda Leslie wrote:
>> > Giant Robot Dance
>> > by Linda Leslie
>> > Contra/Becket-CW/Dbl-Prog/Easy
>> >
>> > A1 -----------
>> > Circle left three-quarters
>> > Pass through
>> > Next Neighbor do si do
>> > A2 -----------
>> > Same Neighbor B & S
>> > B1 -----------
>> > Long lines forward and back
>> > NEXT neighbor swing
>> > B2 -----------
>> > Give & Take to the Gent?s side
>>
>> Is there more to the B2? I think of a give and take as an 8-beat move.
>> P swing maybe?
>>
>> Kalia
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Responding to Jean's post - reproduced at the bottom of this note.
<<Apologies for the length of this note, but it is a complex area, better
handled on the dance-floor rather than through this very limited form of
communication.>>
There are countless ways to swing. Every generation in every country in
every style of dance has their own way of doing it. Countless variations on
body position, arm positions, foot positions, foot movements and more. So
we will never get agreement on every aspect of swinging. And that is fine -
each couple, at the moment in time that they are swinging together, creates
a beautiful (hopefully) experience.
In England there is a lot of stepping at some dances (especially at
e-ceilidhs) and we do indeed bounce in the swing, not so much in a close
hold as that can be awkward, but in a slightly more open hold both people
can skip around with lots of bounce. I wouldn't normally do it in contra
dance, but when I meet a first-timer who skips through a contra then I do
too - it works fine and is great fun for a change!
But for now, let's focus on a smooth buzz-step swing.
We haven't discussed the man's left hand connection to the lady's right hand
yet! :-) Again there are lots of ways - my personal preference is the one
shown on the cover of Larry Jennings' "Zesty Contras", with the man's left
hand cupping the lady's right elbow and vice-versa. It is a lovely hold,
taking up less room on a crowded dance-floor, adjusting your angle slightly
to reduce the V between you, and providing two more contact points for
countering centrifugal force.
Sadly, that hold seems to have fallen out of favour. Things change!
But the one thing that is constant in every form of swing is physics.
So let's look at how that works.
Energy comes from somewhere and is used to generate Angular Momentum.
We use that Angular Momentum to spin at a certain speed, our Angular
Velocity, rotating around a shared axis.
What we are fighting against is our Moment of Inertia - the resistance of
our joined bodies to rotating.
The Moment of Inertia is a measure of how far our mass is from the
rotational axis.
These three elements are related by this equation:
Angular Momentum = Moment of Inertia x Angular Velocity.
The Angular Momentum comes from us using our feet against the floor. For a
fixed amount of energy from our feet, if the Moment of Inertia goes up then
the equation says that the Angular Velocity has to go down, and vice versa.
So, once we have generated some Angular Momentum, how fast we go depends on
how close together we are. If we move further apart then our Moment of
Inertia increases and our Angular Velocity decreases. LEANING BACK MAKES
YOU GO SLOWER!
Jean says, "To end the swing, the partners stand more and more upright which
naturally slows the momentum." Sorry, standing upright and therefore coming
closer together will reduce your Moment of Inertia so you will go round
FASTER! The reason you slow down is not because you stand more upright, it
is because you move your feet more slowly in preparation for the end of the
swing, thus reducing your Angular Momentum. (Note: we are looking here at
how fast we are spinning, not at how fast any particular point on our body
is moving.)
Watch any ballet dancer or ice-skater preparing for a spin. They extend
their arms to increase their Moment of Inertia, start spinning to generate
some Angular Momentum, then bring their arms in to reduce their Moment of
Inertia - the Angular Velocity increases. They spin faster!
Your example of a two-hand turn seems to me to be mixing up weight and mass,
my apologies if I have misunderstood.
Your weight is straight down - the pull of earth's gravity. You are keeping
that under control by taking your weight with your feet. And please,
nothing personal, but I really don't want you to give me any of your weight!
I have enough of a challenge looking after my own :-)
Centrifugal force makes your mass try to move away from the centre as you
rotate - this is what you need connection to counter.
If you force the two dancers to maintain zero tension in their arms during
the two-hand turn, then, yes, they can't move as fast because they are
having to work at not moving away from each other just using the friction of
their feet on the ground.
If you allow them to use their arm muscles, then they can increase the
tension to counter centrifugal force. They don't need to lean or pull.
Indeed leaning just slows you down as you move away from each other, and
pulling just makes your arms tired.
A world class (partner dancing) champion and teacher once taught me, "Always
start at zero tension and build up to the minimum you need to do the move."
I believe that this is excellent advice. Just counter centrifugal force and
you will achieve your optimum speed; there is no need to add more tension!
:-)
If you are pulling or leaning, then if you let go you will probably stumble,
but if you are just countering centrifugal force and let go, then you should
move smoothly away in a straight line.
When I am demonstrating this I usually use an Allemande rather than a
Two-Hand Turn. Just take an Allemande hold making a nice W of your joined
arms. If you walk around with no tension in your arm then you will move
away and your arm will straighten. If you pull too hard you will move
together and end up arm-wrestling. But if you both gently increase the
tension just enough to counter centrifugal force then you have a great
Allemande where the nice W shape of your arms stays constant.
I don't understand the idea of leaning left or right to speed up or slow
down. The only way to change your speed in a frame is by how fast and far
you move your feet. All your Angular Momentum comes from your feet. There
is nowhere else it can from. I dance with one lady who leans very far to
her left. Rather than holding her up and making my arm ache, I move my hand
down to her waist so she has to become more upright or fall over; if she
keeps leaning then I let go and let her slide all the way around me,
catching her again when she comes around to the front - quite a nice move
actually! :-)
For me the essence of a good frame is connection through contact. The human
body is amazing, if my hand is on your back or your fingers and I move it
slightly then you can feel that movement and respond to it with your feet.
Leading is about giving the follower an invitation using gentle signals
through your connection. Following is about responding to the leads. It is
called lead and follow, not drag and resist! I specialise in dancing with
two ladies at the same time. I lead they follow. I really don't want them
to fight back! You can see me at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE6Iu6Fh6bw
Yes, a little of it is choreographed, but most of it is me leading and them
following. I do most of those moves at dances with strangers - I first
dance individually with them to make sure they follow without resisting!
Of course, some of our disagreement may just be to do with our
interpretation of words. I much prefer to refer to connection, contact,
relaxing and gentle counter-balances than tension, resistance, leaning and
giving weight. I feel that those words are too easily misunderstood.
When I dance with dancers who relax and use minimum tension and good
technique then I have a wonderful evening of fast swings and allemandes and
go home feeling great. When I have lots of partners who lean, pull, press
and resist then the moves are all slower and I end up with aching shoulders.
Even if you don't agree with all of this, I hope it at least has given some
food for thought. The best place to follow up on this would undoubtedly be
the dance-floor. I hope to see you there one day! :-)
Happy dancing,
John
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Jean's Post:
I was a bit surprised by the comment that went something like "She's
supposed to be following, why would she want to resist him?" In 25 years of
teaching couple dancing, during my initial ranting about frame, I've had
lots of interesting questions from students, but haven't heard that one yet.
Remember the line in "Dirty Dancing" " you stay in your space, I'll stay in
mine"? Gentle resistance is the essence of frame.
Let me preface this small collection of web gleanings below by a line from
one of them : "I have a feeling that honorable teachers will differ on this
point."
Here's my position:
Non-believers in the cone (within reason as I initially stated) might want
to try this exercise. Have 2 dancers join both hands, stand upright with
nice posture, each supporting 100% of their own weight. No noodle arms of
course. Put something on the floor in the middle of them (rock, cup?) and
ask them to circle around the object as fast as they can while maintaining
absolutely upright posture and supporting 100% of their own weight. You
could time their revolutions per minute. Then ask them to "Give weight"
(let's reflect a moment on that "give" "weight" ..give to whom? Whose
weight?..why, your weight to your partner of course or rather both your
weights given to the central part of the frame). Each person leans back
from the feet a bit, maybe you have them move their feet in toward the
object a bit?and they find the central balance point?certainly not enough to
topple if let go, but to begin to feel that sensation?then ask them to
repeat the exercise. Time their revolutions. More important, ask them which
felt more thrilling. It is not that one partner is throwing weight on the
other, its not that the man has a burden of holding the woman?s dead weight.
Its that they?ve found a physical balance point. An 80 pound grandchild
could do this with a 200 pound granddad.
What I find very interesting in this exercise, which I use in each waltz
class before teaching couple turns and couple pivots, is that the folks have
a bit of a hard time following the instructions for the first part?they want
badly to make a cone at the very start?they know or their bodies know that?s
the way to go faster And of course the couple doesn?t maintain the cone at
the end of the swing, so the suggestion they would topple over as an
argument against the cone is reductio ad absurdum. To end the swing, the
partners stand more and more upright which naturally slows the momentum. The
instantaneous forming of the cone and the dissolving of it are, in fact,
meta-leads that signal the start and finish of the swing.
And re: the woman pressing back into the Man?s right hand. It?s called by
many dance teachers "finding the lead". Some nights when I am social dancing
the man?s part, I find many women partners who have bought into the biggest
lie in couple dancing "Be light as a feather in a man?s arms". If I can?t
find you I can?t lead you!! Women whose backs come to rest shy of my palm
are absolutely unleadable. A nice firm press back into my right hand by her
shoulder blade maximizes skin (and nerve) contact so she can feel the
slightest suggestion I may give her.
?
http://www.cocoabeachcontra.org/contrais.htm
The Swing. Contra dance's flagship move is a spin in ballroom position.
Develop a good swing and people will want to dance with you! Experienced
dancers are eager to give you pointers, so ask, and try them when they're
given whether they're requested or not.
* Hand position. The man's right hand goes on the lady's back on or
just below the bra strap, placed to support her weight in the spin. The
woman?s left arm goes on top of his arm and around his shoulder with the
hand wherever it lands. If she can reach behind his shoulder, she should
support the spin as well, but don't stretch to reach if you are much smaller
than he is. The other hands touch lightly. Their arms should be tensed, with
elbow bent, creating a "frame."
* The spin. Rotate the frame to your left, placing your right foot
down on every odd beat, parallel to your partner's. Left feet can walk or
"buzz step" (ask for a demo). Do not bounce! That's for (bad) movies. Rotate
as smoothly as you can, like a merry-go-round. Leaning left asks to go
faster, right asks to decelerate. If you easily get dizzy, say, "spin
slowly" when you start.
* Giving weight. Keep your upper body straight and lean out to give
your partner a feeling of connectedness. Your arms hold you together; if you
let go you should fly apart (so don't!). It's a tension between the two
people - you can feel that there's someone there. Look at each other! If
they're smiling, you're doing fine. If not, ask.
*
* adapted from information created by Gary Shapiro ?
*
http://www.ras-this.com/dance-frame-vs-spaghetti-arms/
On the other hand ladies, it is our responsibility to offer a stable frame.
One that is a constant, toned resistance, equal to that of our partner ?
http://www.cyber-tango.com/art/frame.html
Maybe I'm just stuck in a certain style that works for me, but I have
partners here with whom I cannot dance very well at all because they don't
maintain a "V". I have a feeling that honorable teachers will differ on this
point. http://www.jmnelson.com/studio/dance/articles/summary.pdf
Closed Position:?.The man's right wrist should be at the back edge of the
woman's armpit, fingers and thumb together, hand cupped slightly, resting
gently on her shoulder blade. The man is responsible for keeping his hand in
the proper position,and the woman is responsible for keeping gentle pressure
against his hand?
http://socialdancemusings.wordpress.com/2012/04/22/dance-frame/
Have tension in your arms so each partner can move the other around. Sit
back a bit, settle your weight, use your frame to hold the two of you up.
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Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
