5 Apr
2023
5 Apr
'23
7:37 p.m.
Hey contra calling friends :)
I have an admission ... ... ... I have NO triple minors in my card box.
I've been doing certain kinds of gigs (contras + ONS + contra/square
nights) and it's so easy not to call triple minors.
HOWEVER, I'm lately trying to 'up my game' to expand my repertoire.
Might you have a favourite triple minor you could share?
I'm looking for dances that are SUPER fun and relatively accessible.
Thoughts?
Thanks for the consideration!
Emily
5 Apr
5 Apr
7:44 p.m.
Sackett's Harbor is a fun triple minor. No swings, but there are contra corners.
Jonathan
On 4/5/2023 6:37 PM, Emily Addison via Contra Callers wrote:
Hey contra calling friends :)
I have an admission ... ... ... I have NO triple minors in my card box. I've been
doing certain kinds of gigs (contras + ONS + contra/square nights) and it's so easy
not to call triple minors.
HOWEVER, I'm lately trying to 'up my game' to expand my repertoire.
Might you have a favourite triple minor you could share?
I'm looking for dances that are SUPER fun and relatively accessible.
Thoughts?
Thanks for the consideration!
Emily
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6 Apr
6 Apr
4:42 a.m.
New subject: FW: Really fun and accessible triple minors?
Hi Emily,
Alamo Triad is a good introduction to the concept:
http://www.kempt.net/~entropy/zcs/zcs-part-4.pdf
Just make sure that the two couple that exit at the top each time know that
they can’t both be the next #1 and should form an orderly queue.
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com <mailto:john@modernjive.com>
01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
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Subject: [Callers] Really fun and accessible triple minors?
Hey contra calling friends :)
I have an admission ... ... ... I have NO triple minors in my card box. I've been
doing certain kinds of gigs (contras + ONS + contra/square nights) and it's so easy
not to call triple minors.
HOWEVER, I'm lately trying to 'up my game' to expand my repertoire.
Might you have a favourite triple minor you could share?
I'm looking for dances that are SUPER fun and relatively accessible.
Thoughts?
Thanks for the consideration!
Emily
9:46 a.m.
New subject: FW: Really fun and accessible triple minors?
This is a triple minor I learned from Gene Hubert in the 80s. I don’t know the name or
author.
It’s very active for all couples.
Dip and Dive Triple Minor
ones improper
A1 ones face down twos and threes face up
Dip and Dive the minor set (twos arch, ones dive, middle couple always arching, quick turn
as couple at ends)
til all home
A2 ones balance and swing Neighbors, 3s balance and swing partner
1s and 2s break swing facing across the set, 3s facing up the set.
B1 Circle 6 hands 1x around (16 counts)
B2 Lines forward and back
ones only do si do (or 1s swing)
2s and 3s can step in to be ready for next round of Dip and Dive
Scott Russell
On Apr 6, 2023, at 4:42 AM, John Sweeney via Contra
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Hi Emily,
Alamo Triad is a good introduction to the concept:
http://www.kempt.net/~entropy/zcs/zcs-part-4.pdf
<http://www.kempt.net/~entropy/zcs/zcs-part-4.pdf>
Just make sure that the two couple that exit at the top each time know that
they can’t both be the next #1 and should form an orderly queue.
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com <mailto:john@modernjive.com>
01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk <http://www.contrafusion.co.uk/> for Dancing in Kent
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Subject: [Callers] Really fun and accessible triple minors?
Hey contra calling friends :)
I have an admission ... ... ... I have NO triple minors in my card box. I've been
doing certain kinds of gigs (contras + ONS + contra/square nights) and it's so easy
not to call triple minors.
HOWEVER, I'm lately trying to 'up my game' to expand my repertoire.
Might you have a favorite triple minor you could share?
I'm looking for dances that are SUPER fun and relatively accessible.
Thoughts?
Thanks for the consideration!
Emily
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8 Apr
8 Apr
4:08 a.m.
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 09:46:37 -0400, Susan Davis Scott Russell via Contra Callers wrote:
This is a triple minor I learned from Gene Hubert in
the 80s. I don�t know the name or author.
It's probably a version of Good Times by Al Olson. Instructions from The Caller's
Box:
A1: (16) Dip and dive 6 to place (twos arch, ones dive to begin)
A2: (4) [Ones and twos] Neighbor balance || Threes balance
(12) [Ones and twos] Neighbor swing || Threes swing
B1: (16) [All six] Circle left 1
B2: (8) In long lines, go forward and back
(8) Partner do-si-do (in center)
Colin Hume
11 Apr
11 Apr
11:12 p.m.
Hi All,
Thanks so much for the various triple minor ideas... ... I've been digging
into them a bit tonight and I've got LOTS to learn before I call any of
them. Excited by a few of them though. :)
I really appreciate it!.Now to work them up at a house dance!
Emily
On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 4:08 AM Colin Hume via Contra Callers <
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 09:46:37 -0400, Susan Davis Scott
Russell via Contra
Callers wrote:
This is a triple minor I learned from Gene Hubert
in the 80s. I don’t
know the name or author.
It's probably a version of Good Times by Al Olson. Instructions from The
Caller's Box:
A1: (16) Dip and dive 6 to place (twos arch, ones dive to begin)
A2: (4) [Ones and twos] Neighbor balance || Threes balance
(12) [Ones and twos] Neighbor swing || Threes swing
B1: (16) [All six] Circle left 1
B2: (8) In long lines, go forward and back
(8) Partner do-si-do (in center)
Colin Hume
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16 Apr
8:33 p.m.
I highly recommend “Bob’s Triplet #1” by Bob Dalsemer. It is easy enough for beginner’s
and it is a wonderful way to teach Contra corners, and I love the inclusion of some
traditional moves such as sashaying.
http://www.quiteapair.us/calling/acdol/dance/acd_239.html
<http://www.quiteapair.us/calling/acdol/dance/acd_239.html>
Enjoy!
-= Victor =-
"Do or do not; there is not try.” Jedi Master Yoda
On Apr 11, 2023, at 11:12 PM, Emily Addison via Contra
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Hi All,
Thanks so much for the various triple minor ideas... ... I've been digging into them
a bit tonight and I've got LOTS to learn before I call any of them. Excited by a few
of them though. :)
I really appreciate it!.Now to work them up at a house dance!
Emily
On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 4:08 AM Colin Hume via Contra Callers
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 09:46:37 -0400, Susan Davis Scott Russell via Contra Callers wrote:
This is a triple minor I learned from Gene Hubert
in the 80s. I don’t know the name or author.
It's probably a version of Good Times by Al Olson. Instructions from The
Caller's Box:
A1: (16) Dip and dive 6 to place (twos arch, ones dive to begin)
A2: (4) [Ones and twos] Neighbor balance || Threes balance
(12) [Ones and twos] Neighbor swing || Threes swing
B1: (16) [All six] Circle left 1
B2: (8) In long lines, go forward and back
(8) Partner do-si-do (in center)
Colin Hume
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8:51 p.m.
I enjoy Bob's Triplet #1 for the reasons Victor stated, but I will note
that it's a triplet rather than a triple minor. Depending on the crowd, a
triplet may be more appropriate. It certainly can run shorter, say 9x
rather than 13-15 times through for a triple minor.
Jerome
On Sun, Apr 16, 2023, 8:34 PM Victor Gascon via Contra Callers <
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I highly recommend “Bob’s Triplet #1” by Bob Dalsemer.
It is easy enough
for beginner’s and it is a wonderful way to teach Contra corners, and I
love the inclusion of some traditional moves such as sashaying.
http://www.quiteapair.us/calling/acdol/dance/acd_239.html
Enjoy!
-= Victor =-
"Do or do not; there is not try.” Jedi Master Yoda
On Apr 11, 2023, at 11:12 PM, Emily Addison via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi All,
Thanks so much for the various triple minor ideas... ... I've been digging
into them a bit tonight and I've got LOTS to learn before I call any of
them. Excited by a few of them though. :)
I really appreciate it!.Now to work them up at a house dance!
Emily
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On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 09:46:37 -0400, Susan Davis
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This is a triple minor I learned from Gene Hubert
in the 80s. I don’t
know the name or author.
It's probably a version of Good Times by Al Olson. Instructions from The
Caller's Box:
A1: (16) Dip and dive 6 to place (twos arch, ones dive to begin)
A2: (4) [Ones and twos] Neighbor balance || Threes balance
(12) [Ones and twos] Neighbor swing || Threes swing
B1: (16) [All six] Circle left 1
B2: (8) In long lines, go forward and back
(8) Partner do-si-do (in center)
Colin Hume
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14 Apr
14 Apr
8:45 a.m.
New subject: Dance with petronella right and left
Hello Friends,
I have called a dance that I cannot now find, it included a petronella turn
to the right and one to the left. I liked it because the unusual direction
is different for experienced dancers while easy for newish dancers.
Can anyone recall seeing such a sequence?
I thought it might be a Joseph Pimentel dance, but now I'm questioning
everything I ever thought I remembered.
Thanks!
Jerome Grisanti
12:57 p.m.
New subject: Dance with petronella right and left
On 2023-04-14 8:45 a.m., Jerome Grisanti via Contra Callers wrote:
Hello Friends,
I have called a dance that I cannot now find, it included a petronella turn
to the right and one to the left. I liked it because the unusual direction
is different for experienced dancers while easy for newish dancers.
Can anyone recall seeing such a sequence?
I thought it might be a Joseph Pimentel dance, but now I'm questioning
everything I ever thought I remembered.
In the Caller's Box, petronella to the left is notated as
"reverse petronella turn"
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/Glossary.htm#reverse-petr…
We've currently got 33 dances containing that figure, of which one is by
Joseph Pimentel: "A Balanced Tern", from "The Goldcrest Collection".
Its A1 is:
ring balance, petronella right
ring balance, petronella left
So that might be the dance you're looking for.
-Michael
1:04 p.m.
New subject: Dance with petronella right and left
Michael,
That's it! Thanks!
I'll have to check out the others as well...
Jerome
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023, 12:57 PM Michael Dyck via Contra Callers <
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On 2023-04-14 8:45 a.m., Jerome Grisanti via Contra
Callers wrote:
Hello Friends,
I have called a dance that I cannot now find, it included a petronella
turn
to the right and one to the left. I liked it
because the unusual
direction
is different for experienced dancers while easy
for newish dancers.
Can anyone recall seeing such a sequence?
I thought it might be a Joseph Pimentel dance, but now I'm questioning
everything I ever thought I remembered.
In the Caller's Box, petronella to the left is notated as
"reverse petronella turn"
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/Glossary.htm#reverse-petr…
We've currently got 33 dances containing that figure, of which one is by
Joseph Pimentel: "A Balanced Tern", from "The Goldcrest Collection".
Its A1 is:
ring balance, petronella right
ring balance, petronella left
So that might be the dance you're looking for.
-Michael
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2:18 p.m.
New subject: Dance with petronella right and left
Hi Jerome (and all),
I have heard the left-petronella referred to as a “retronella” — which may be a useful
search term, and also produces some delight when dancers hear it for the first time.
And although I worry US dancers would rush the gates and therefore find this a bit
unsatisfying (not to mention, no neighbour swing! Which for some dancers is actually a
positive...), I’ve had good feedback here in the UK about my dance, There and Back:
There and Back
Louise Siddons, 2022
Becket
A1 In a ring, balance and spin to the right; gate clockwise on the side (fill the music!)
A2 In a ring, balance and spin to the left; gate anticlockwise on the side
B1 Chain (Rh; those moving fwd out of the courtesy turn end slightly inside the set and
look right); with the next, right shoulder 'round 1.5
B2 With your partner, balance and swing
Louise.
3:21 p.m.
New subject: Dance with petronella right and left
Laura, I plead ignorance here. Will you please describe/define "gate?"
Thanks,
-Amy
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023, 11:18 AM Louise Siddons via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi Jerome (and all),
I have heard the left-petronella referred to as a “retronella” — which may
be a useful search term, and also produces some delight when dancers hear
it for the first time.
And although I worry US dancers would rush the gates and therefore find
this a bit unsatisfying (not to mention, no neighbour swing! Which for some
dancers is actually a positive...), I’ve had good feedback here in the UK
about my dance, There and Back:
There and Back
Louise Siddons, 2022
Becket
A1 In a ring, balance and spin to the right; gate clockwise on the side
(fill the music!)
A2 In a ring, balance and spin to the left; gate anticlockwise on the side
B1 Chain (Rh; those moving fwd out of the courtesy turn end slightly
inside the set and look right); with the next, right shoulder 'round 1.5
B2 With your partner, balance and swing
Louise.
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3:39 p.m.
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http://dancevideos.childgrove.org/contra/contra-modern/555-circle-of-love-b…
The dance archive here, and searching a figure name, is a great resource.
Gates come from English dances as far as I know, but I have been able to
teach them to my "barn dance" crowd for simple dances like
"Jefferson's
Remorse."
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 2:22 PM Amy Wimmer via Contra Callers <
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Laura, I plead ignorance here. Will you please
describe/define "gate?"
Thanks,
-Amy
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023, 11:18 AM Louise Siddons via Contra Callers <
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Hi Jerome (and all),
I have heard the left-petronella referred to as a “retronella” — which
may be a useful search term, and also produces some delight when dancers
hear it for the first time.
And although I worry US dancers would rush the gates and therefore find
this a bit unsatisfying (not to mention, no neighbour swing! Which for some
dancers is actually a positive...), I’ve had good feedback here in the UK
about my dance, There and Back:
There and Back
Louise Siddons, 2022
Becket
A1 In a ring, balance and spin to the right; gate clockwise on the side
(fill the music!)
A2 In a ring, balance and spin to the left; gate anticlockwise on the side
B1 Chain (Rh; those moving fwd out of the courtesy turn end slightly
inside the set and look right); with the next, right shoulder 'round 1.5
B2 With your partner, balance and swing
Louise.
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3:52 p.m.
New subject: Dance with petronella right and left
Amy,
I would describe a gate as a connected turn in which both dancers start
facing the same direction (in this case, into the set). One dancer dances
forward while the other backpedals, with their joined hands being the pivot
of the turn. And can I emphasize again the importance of the connection
between dancers, which can make or break the satisfaction of the move.
Louise,
This looks very fun and I plan to use it sometime very soon. Cheers!
Jerome
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023, 3:22 PM Amy Wimmer via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Laura, I plead ignorance here. Will you please
describe/define "gate?"
Thanks,
-Amy
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023, 11:18 AM Louise Siddons via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi Jerome (and all),
I have heard the left-petronella referred to as a “retronella” — which
may be a useful search term, and also produces some delight when dancers
hear it for the first time.
And although I worry US dancers would rush the gates and therefore find
this a bit unsatisfying (not to mention, no neighbour swing! Which for some
dancers is actually a positive...), I’ve had good feedback here in the UK
about my dance, There and Back:
There and Back
Louise Siddons, 2022
Becket
A1 In a ring, balance and spin to the right; gate clockwise on the side
(fill the music!)
A2 In a ring, balance and spin to the left; gate anticlockwise on the side
B1 Chain (Rh; those moving fwd out of the courtesy turn end slightly
inside the set and look right); with the next, right shoulder 'round 1.5
B2 With your partner, balance and swing
Louise.
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4:02 p.m.
New subject: Dance with petronella right and left
Re: Amy’s question about a gate:
Is a gate the same as a hand cast to anyone except me?
Jerome: let me know how it goes!
Louise.
5:53 p.m.
New subject: Dance with petronella right and left
Louise,
In the B2, is the allemande with a shadow (same one each time)? On the same
side of the set as the partner swing?
Jerome
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023, 4:02 PM Louise Siddons via Contra Callers <
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Re: Amy’s question about a gate:
Is a gate the same as a hand cast to anyone except me?
Jerome: let me know how it goes!
Louise.
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7:20 p.m.
New subject: Dance with petronella right and left
Louise --
"Caller's Box" has separate entries for gate and hand cast, but hand cast
says "Very similar to a gate" and the gate entry says "Very similar to hand
cast." So you're not alone.
The caller's box gate description is ":Two people face the same direction, hold
nearest hands, and pivot around the central point. One person backs up while the other
person walks forwards."
(I think of a hand cast as bringing one of the people around (usually 3/4) while the other
is more of a post, and a gate as more mutual, with each side traversing the same distance,
but I don't know if that's universal.)
-- Alan
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Re: Amy’s question about a gate:
Is a gate the same as a hand cast to anyone except me?
Jerome: let me know how it goes!
Louise.
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7:01 p.m.
New subject: Dance with petronella right and left
Hi Amy,
“Hand Cast”, “Gate”, “Wheel Around” (which I am surprised is not in
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/Glossary.htm), and “Turn As A Couple”
are all fundamentally the same move.
Two people stand side by side, facing the same way, and hold the nearest
hand. They rotate staying in line with each other.
The only questions are where the pivot point is and how far you turn. Wheel
Around and Turn As A Couple usually mean that the pivot point is the joined hands and that
you turn 180 degrees. Hand Cast and Gate usually mean that the pivot point is one of the
dancers and the rotation can be 180, 270 or 360 degrees, depending on the dance.
Of course, nowadays most contra dancers told to Turn As A Couple will do a
California Twirl instead.
And “Hand Cast” can be done with arms around each other’s waists, or by, for
example, #2s facing up and offering an elbow for the #1s to hook into so that they can be
whirled around the corner – more likely when the #1s are galloping up the set and need
help to redirect their momentum!
Happy dancing,
John
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http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
17 Apr
17 Apr
1:47 p.m.
New subject: Dance with petronella right and left
This dance looks interesting but I confess I don’t understand it fully. I think the first
gate is with your neighbor, the second with your partner, then robins chain across to your
neighbor (ending across from your partner). Who is the right shoulder around with and how
does that get the robins back to their partner and original side? (Also, in an earlier
answer you referred to an allemande, but I don’t see one.)
Regards,
Russell
On Apr 14, 2023, at 11:18 AM, Louise Siddons via
Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi Jerome (and all),
I have heard the left-petronella referred to as a “retronella” — which may be a useful
search term, and also produces some delight when dancers hear it for the first time.
And although I worry US dancers would rush the gates and therefore find this a bit
unsatisfying (not to mention, no neighbour swing! Which for some dancers is actually a
positive...), I’ve had good feedback here in the UK about my dance, There and Back:
There and Back
Louise Siddons, 2022
Becket
A1 In a ring, balance and spin to the right; gate clockwise on the side (fill the
music!)
A2 In a ring, balance and spin to the left; gate anticlockwise on the side
B1 Chain (Rh; those moving fwd out of the courtesy turn end slightly inside the set and
look right); with the next, right shoulder 'round 1.5
B2 With your partner, balance and swing
Louise.
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4:02 p.m.
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Oops, sorry, I said allemande and meant right shoulder round. I mean, it could also be an
allemande right, that might be nicer for people who prefer physical contact to eye contact
— but it makes the transition into the swing clunky.
I think I explained to Jerome (via the list) that it’s the Robins with their next Robin,
so to speak — it’s the progression. Their partners simply scoot along the side a bit so
that the swings end across from one another in Becket formation (progressed).
Louise.
On 17 Apr 2023, at 18:47, Russell Owen via Contra
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This dance looks interesting but I confess I don’t understand it fully. I think the
first gate is with your neighbor, the second with your partner, then robins chain across
to your neighbor (ending across from your partner). Who is the right shoulder around with
and how does that get the robins back to their partner and original side? (Also, in an
earlier answer you referred to an allemande, but I don’t see one.)
Regards,
Russell
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