29 Oct
2015
29 Oct
'15
10:27 a.m.
If the term is to be changed I think there should be agreement as to what the replacement
is and not have a variety of terms. The health of many contra dance series is very
dependent upon new dancers coming and having a good time so they return. There is a big
vocabulary to learn and having it not be the same at successive or neighboring dances
would add to the confusion.
On Oct 28, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Don Veino via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
wrote:
Might I suggest at this point there's been enough shared such that folks have figured
out where they are on this subject? And, while the discussion has been informative, that
further posts will do little to change anyone's beliefs?
If that's accepted, I further suggest we move forward with our own personal belief
and act as conscience dictates:
Should you wish to continue with the status quo call, then do so and incorporate whatever
learning you've taken from this exchange to improve your teaching and leading. Your
further experience and learning from dance participants may inform your future view.
Should you be motivated to change the term, have a conversation with your dance
organizer(s) and try out an alternate call/description, should they be willing - see how
it goes. That learning may inform the culture by example.
I hope we can trust the Folk Process to be robust enough to do its thing in this matter
- as it has so many times before.
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29 Oct
11:23 a.m.
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While I agree in principle, I respectfully disagree in practice. My
reasoning:
1. As great as this forum is, it represents just a small portion of the
total contra dance community and therefore is a partial voice
2. Without magical powers, I doubt that even this forum will be able to
agree on a term in a practical span of time (but would be delighted to be
wrong on this). There's no effective greater "contra rules committee" to
vet and set a term (I find this a strength, BTW). Folk process rules.
3. I believe people (dancers included :) are more robust than this and
deal with synonyms constantly in daily life. This is one call. Were we
throwing all the terms in the air then that could be chaos - for returning
dancers. Effective callers dealing with newcomers should be
defining/teaching their terms as each is introduced over the evening. You
might get pushback about one new term from ongoing dancers, but folks
should be able to cope so long as you define it.
4. The ultimate arbiters on this matter will be the dancers. In my prior
life in business process work, I would witness long debates amongst the
"architects" about what to call or name something and ultimately the users
would just go ahead and call it what made sense to them - despite what the
architects told them it should be. :)
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 11:27 AM, John W Gintell <john(a)gintell.org> wrote:
If the term is to be changed I think there should be
agreement as to what
the replacement is and not have a variety of terms. The health of many
contra dance series is very dependent upon new dancers coming and having a
good time so they return. There is a big vocabulary to learn and having it
not be the same at successive or neighboring dances would add to the
confusion.
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