Maia, Did we give you what you needed? If so, could you let us know and put a stop to the thread? Callers are now more busy calling one another out for getting off topic or being inappropriate than generating new answers. Summary of suggestions, as best I remember: 1) don't call the dance 2) call the dance with the disclaimer farther in advance than the teach. 3) call the dance with a substitute choreography, not mentioning the possibility of a swing. 4) call the dance and at that place in the dance say: with your shadow either swing or (substitute move) and end x-ly (probably traded places either facing across or with one person facing across ready to do the next move (if the substitute was an allemande 1.5)). While some advocated for disclaimers, many felt it is bad for the community to imply from the mic that people might be uncivil. Others objected that some might take the disclaimer as license to avoid dancers for any number of reasons, some being petty prejudices rather than a sense of real danger. Overall there were more voices against disclaimer and for offering an alternative movement should you feel this was the right dance for the moment. Correct me if I'm wrong. Could we leave this alone unless someone has a truly new idea for Maia? Thanks, Andrea Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask >> On Sep 9, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Aahz Maruch via Callers &lt;callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net&gt; wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Sep 08, 2015, Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote: >>>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2015 1:53 PM, Luke Donforth &lt;luke.donev(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Michael Fuerst via Callers &lt;callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>> Asking about how to appropriately do dances with shadow swings seems >>>> like asking how men can appropriately grope women during a dance. >>> >>> I again think your attempt to inject levity into a conversation have >>> come across as crass and inappropriate. Asking about shadow swings >>> on a list for calling is pertinent; joking about men groping women >>> dancers isn't. >> >> Your assessment is inaccurate. This is not a matter where levity is >> acceptable. Creating a situation which could force someone into close, >> almost intimate proximity with a person perceived as emotionally or >> physically threatening is inappropriate. A lesser problem is that one >> can get a shadow who one considers personable, but very unpleasant >> for swinging (for example, due to either height difference, or a body >> position or weight distribution which unnecessarily strains one's own >> body). > > Well, I share Luke's assessment. The phrasing you used to compare shadow > swings and groping implies either levity or a disregard of the difference > between groping and a shadow swing. Regardless of the seriousness with > which you view "forcing" a shadow swing, it is clear that many other > people disagree, and your comparison is not appropriate, especially given > Maia's original request to AVOID any discussion of whether shadow swings > are appropriate. > -- > Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ > <*> <*> <*> > Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net