9 Sep
2015
9 Sep
'15
4:17 p.m.
My only observation to add to the shadow swing melee is that while not
completely closed to them, i'm cognizant of the several reasons they are a
less than optimal choice. Given these drawbacks of the figure, i would not
use a shadow swing in a situation with very long sets. If the choreography
of the dance is so awesome i feel a need to use it, and the end effects
aren't prohibitive, i'd consider running it in a situation with short sets
(much as i'd use for a 1s active dance). Why? Because if anyone feels the
need to escape their shadow, they can get to an end of the set and either
jump out or rumble into another set sooner. I think this offers dancers the
best chance to fix a potential issue without singling anyone out or
creating a dynamic on the floor more awkward than the choice of a shadow
swing dance (albeit an exceptional one!) already did.
9 Sep
9 Sep
4:27 p.m.
David: Really, would you ever call a dance with a shadow swing?
None of our most respected caller (those who are invited as the featured caller at various
weekends) never (or darned close to never).I don't ever recall attending a weekend
when the featured caller used a shadow swing. Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway
Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844
On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 4:18 PM, Dave Merrill via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
My only observation to add to the shadow swing melee is that while not completely closed
to them, i'm cognizant of the several reasons they are a less than optimal choice.
Given these drawbacks of the figure, i would not use a shadow swing in a situation with
very long sets. If the choreography of the dance is so awesome i feel a need to use it,
and the end effects aren't prohibitive, i'd consider running it in a situation
with short sets (much as i'd use for a 1s active dance). Why? Because if anyone feels
the need to escape their shadow, they can get to an end of the set and either jump out or
rumble into another set sooner. I think this offers dancers the best chance to fix a
potential issue without singling anyone out or creating a dynamic on the floor more
awkward than the choice of a shadow swing dance (albeit an exceptional one!) already
did.
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4:38 p.m.
Sigh. See "Head of the Bed", written by Nils Fredland.
http://www.library.unh.edu/special/forms/rpdlw/syllabus2008.pdf#page=49b
-Chris Page
San Diego
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Michael Fuerst via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
David: Really, would you ever call a dance with a
shadow swing?
None of our most respected caller (those who are invited as the featured
caller at various weekends) never (or darned close to never).
I don't ever recall attending a weekend when the featured caller used a
shadow swing.
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844
5:02 p.m.
Chris: The indicates that someone in 2008 (Dave Eisenstadter) other than the composer
(Nils Fredland) not call this dance written in 2003.Everyone has become more aware since
then.One wonders if Nils still calls this dance Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway
Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844
On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 4:38 PM, Chris Page <chriscpage(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Sigh. See "Head of the Bed", written by Nils Fredland.
http://www.library.unh.edu/special/forms/rpdlw/syllabus2008.pdf#page=49b
-Chris Page
San Diego
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Michael Fuerst via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
David: Really, would you ever call a dance with a shadow swing?
None of our most respected caller (those who are invited as the featured caller at various
weekends) never (or darned close to never).I don't ever recall attending a weekend
when the featured caller used a shadow swing. Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway
Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844
5:34 p.m.
And yet, they're done. I know Carol Ormand writes and calls them. This
Saturday at the contra weekend I attended, a national caller called "Head
of the Bed."
Yes, we've heard your opinion. Avoiding shadow swings be perfect for you,
but it may not be for others. And I'd like to hear from the others, rather
than having you (or someone else) try and shut down the conversation by
repeatedly making absolute statements.
There is more than one correct point of view.
(Personally I almost never** use shadow swings, so I don't have much to
contribute to this particular conversation. But I enjoy listening to
others.)
-Chris Page
San Diego
** And yet I'm guilty of having written one, and called it at NEFFA. I've
got my own hypocrisy.
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Michael Fuerst <mjerryfuerst(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:
Chris: The indicates that someone in 2008 (Dave
Eisenstadter) other than
the composer (Nils Fredland) not call this dance written in 2003.
Everyone has become more aware since then.
One wonders if Nils still calls this dance
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844
On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 4:38 PM, Chris Page <chriscpage(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Sigh. See "Head of the Bed", written by Nils Fredland.
http://www.library.unh.edu/special/forms/rpdlw/syllabus2008.pdf#page=49b
-Chris Page
San Diego
7:35 p.m.
RPDLW tends to have a different set of expectations than most weekends, to
say the least.
Michael, thanks for putting me on the spot with the "really, would you
ever" question, a question that *could have been asked of anyone who
replied to Maia's stated query about others' thoughts on how to "mitigate
the **potential harms of shadow swing dances" without debating her premise,
and should have been asked of no one at all*.
My answer: Not all calling situations are main hall or regular series
dances; and there is, in the lifetime of a caller, a place for most every
dance, even Lady Walpole's - places like themed sessions in which all
participants are aware of potential shadow interactions. And i'm fully
aware that (as Cary so perfectly phrases it) "in this case the caller is
choosing your second partner," and of the attendant risks therein. Please
also see Luke Donforth's fantastic answer.
We're (hopefully) here to nurture each other as callers at various stages
of the journey. That doesn't include messages framed to invite the person
asked, and anyone who views their reply, to view their answer in comparison
against "our most respected callers."
Tavi
(whoops! fixed gmail settings)
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Michael Fuerst <mjerryfuerst(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:
Chris: The indicates that someone in 2008 (Dave
Eisenstadter) other than
the composer (Nils Fredland) not call this dance written in 2003.
Everyone has become more aware since then.
One wonders if Nils still calls this dance
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844
On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 4:38 PM, Chris Page <chriscpage(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Sigh. See "Head of the Bed", written by Nils Fredland.
http://www.library.unh.edu/special/forms/rpdlw/syllabus2008.pdf#page=49b
-Chris Page
San Diego
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Michael Fuerst via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
David: Really, would you ever call a dance with a shadow swing?
None of our most respected caller (those who are invited as the featured
caller at various weekends) never (or darned close to never).
I don't ever recall attending a weekend when the featured caller used a
shadow swing.
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844
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