Since, during the average contra evening, you will spend approximately 30 minutes swinging, surely it would be better to teach the dancers how to swing properly. Apart from the slight variation in the position of one of your arms the swing should be symmetrical. And nobody should be giving any of their weight to the other person. (I hate the term “give weight” – it is grossly misunderstood.) I am quite happy to provide a gentle counterbalance to your mass, but please look after your own weight! When teaching the buzz-step I always get the dancers to do it individually so that they learn to keep their own balance. Too many dancers thinking that throwing their weight in some random direction will make the swing go faster – it won’t – only your feet can make the swing go faster. Lots more at http://contrafusion.co.uk/SwingWorkshop.html :-) Happy dancing, John John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574 http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs From: Angela DeCarlis via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> Sent: 21 November 2022 21:02 To: Alexandra Deis-Lauby <adeislauby(a)gmail.com> Cc: Shared Weight Callers' Listserv <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> Subject: [Callers] Re: How to have the beginners choose roles I appreciate the care that goes into option #3, and also really like Becky's comment about some of the asymmetries that occur on the dancefloor as a result of the culture (i.e., that robins may encounter more twirling than larks). Another piece of cultural asymmetry I've encountered is that, in some communities, dancers are used to the dancer in the left-hand position carrying more of the weight in the swing — as a small person with bad joints, I find it more difficult to dance the left-hand role where this is a factor. Depending on how much time you have, reflecting on these differences in the roles' physicality seems like a kind and useful addition.

Hi Jeff, Yes, it’s true! Approximately 30 minutes of swinging per evening was the conclusion on this forum after many discussions, many years ago. That’s why I ALWAYS spend time teaching first-timers how to swing (I have seen some atrocious teaching by dancers who think they know how to do it!). Happy dancing, John John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574 http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs From: Jeff Kaufman &lt;jeff(a)alum.swarthmore.edu&gt; Sent: 23 November 2022 14:31 To: John Sweeney &lt;john(a)modernjive.com&gt; Cc: Shared Weight Callers' Listserv &lt;callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net&gt; Subject: Re: [Callers] Re: How to have the beginners choose roles "during the average contra evening, you will spend approximately 30 minutes swinging" Tangent: I thought "that can't be right" but a little playing with numbers and I think it is. My back of the envelope: guess ~12 dances, each ~17 times through, with ~20 beats of swinging per dance. That's 4k beats of swinging, which at 118bpm is 35min. Another way to think of it is that in a 3hr evening half of your time is dancing and a third of that is swinging. Jeff On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 4:49 PM John Sweeney via Contra Callers &lt;contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net> > wrote: Since, during the average contra evening, you will spend approximately 30 minutes swinging, surely it would be better to teach the dancers how to swing properly. Apart from the slight variation in the position of one of your arms the swing should be symmetrical. And nobody should be giving any of their weight to the other person. (I hate the term “give weight” – it is grossly misunderstood.) I am quite happy to provide a gentle counterbalance to your mass, but please look after your own weight! When teaching the buzz-step I always get the dancers to do it individually so that they learn to keep their own balance. Too many dancers thinking that throwing their weight in some random direction will make the swing go faster – it won’t – only your feet can make the swing go faster. Lots more at http://contrafusion.co.uk/SwingWorkshop.html :-) Happy dancing, John John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com <mailto:john@modernjive.com> 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574 http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs From: Angela DeCarlis via Contra Callers &lt;contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net> > Sent: 21 November 2022 21:02 To: Alexandra Deis-Lauby &lt;adeislauby(a)gmail.com <mailto:adeislauby@gmail.com> > Cc: Shared Weight Callers' Listserv &lt;callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net> > Subject: [Callers] Re: How to have the beginners choose roles I appreciate the care that goes into option #3, and also really like Becky's comment about some of the asymmetries that occur on the dancefloor as a result of the culture (i.e., that robins may encounter more twirling than larks). Another piece of cultural asymmetry I've encountered is that, in some communities, dancers are used to the dancer in the left-hand position carrying more of the weight in the swing — as a small person with bad joints, I find it more difficult to dance the left-hand role where this is a factor. Depending on how much time you have, reflecting on these differences in the roles' physicality seems like a kind and useful addition. _______________________________________________ Contra Callers mailing list -- contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net> To unsubscribe send an email to contracallers-leave(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:contracallers-leave@lists.sharedweight.net>

I do #3, in a roundabout way. They try both sides in two different swing-teaching dances that Sara and I wrote together. Then, I tell them they can pick either side and it might be good to do the first several dances from the same side, but it's good to know both, in case the options are to switch or sit out. I use recorded music for the teaching dances if there is no band or they're not ready. We use elastic wrist bands (non-frilly ponytail bands from Target) worn on the outside wrist to identify roles. This would not be necessary in a dance with fewer newbies and we're thinking of giving them up. Full workshop description below, but most will want to skip. --jh-- Long version, including how we identify the other dancers' roles: I'm calling at a university club that just started this year ( contraknights.org). All of my campus dancers were new to contra at the start of the semester, so there was no left-right bias at all. This made a number of things much easier, as learning is easier than relearning. However, while experienced dancers can mix up traditional gender roles and assume that the person coming to them is the right person to do the next move with, we found ourselves messing up often enough that this wasn't always the case. The crutch of gender is really helpful in dance repair, so we wanted to make the roles clear, but also allow people to switch at will. Our solution is elastic wristbands, actually large hair bands from Target (not the frilly kind). These are worn on the outside wrist, and people can see your role at a glance. It also helps people remember which role they're dancing (yes, they forget). I start my workshop with Chris Page's Accretion Reel, which I run about 6-8 cycles to loosen the mood, get people interacting and dancing, and show how ephemeral partners are. I emphasize partner ephemerality and appropriate behavior in the walkthrough, and tell them we dance with a different partner every dance. I have them elbow swing or do two hands around or play pattycake for this dance, unless it's two experienced dancers who know how to swing. At the end of that, some volunteers distribute the bands. I teach the ballroom position, they put the bands on the held hands, and I teach the swing footwork. We put on some not-fast music and dance Swing without Progress Circle (below). After it ends, I let them know that it may take a few evenings of dance to develop a really good swing and that they can ask for pointers from dancers whose swings they like, or from me in the break. (We often do a swinging workshop in the break, too.) I then have them swap positions and put the band on the other arm. We practice opening up and closing, and I say it's important to end the swing facing the other dancers unless instructed to face another way. They practice swinging on this side a little, I talk briefly about progression, and then we dance Swing with Progress Circle. I tell them that they can choose a side and it might be best to keep that side for a few dances until they get the hang of it, but that they might dance both sides before the end of the night to make sure they can switch if the only option is to switch or sit out. The two swing-teaching circles feature just 8-count moves, so they don't get too dizzy right off. I'm calling all the way through, so I can turn one or more moves into 16 counts if that helps, and it often does. At the end of all this, they have six solid contra moves; know partner, neighbor, and progression; and have danced three dances with 20+ partners. All this takes at most 30 minutes, half of it dancing, so they're not bored (well, the newbies aren't, anyway). We can go into an easy contra as the main dance begins. Swing without Progress Circle Joe Harrington and Sara Sullivan Original Intro Circle, 32 beats, for teaching swing and open up, and partners and neighbors Non-progressing Partners A Forward and back 8 B Circle left 8 C Neighbor allemande right 8 D Partner swing 8 Swing with Progress Circle Joe Harrington and Sara Sullivan Original Intro Circle, 32 beats, for teaching swing and open up, partners and neighbors, and progression Single Progression Partners A Forward and back 8 B Circle left 8 C Neighbor do-si-do 8 D New partner swing 8 On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 6:20 PM Katherine Kitching via Contra Callers < contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net&gt; wrote: