4 Jan
2018
4 Jan
'18
3:49 p.m.
Hi all,
I recently called Beneficial Tradition for the first time and noticed a
consistent hitch in the dance at the top of the set. It was probably
happening at the bottom too.
I was doing the variant with no wave balance in the A1, just Women
allemande L 1x and P swing. Though the transition from the pull-bys in
the B2 to that L allemande worked well inside the line, it was always
funky at the ends. I'm speculating that that's because folks coming out
of the pull-by pattern into empty space at the end were tending to head
in a consistent incorrect direction.
Those of you who have called this dance a lot, have you noticed the same
issue? How do you teach the B2-A1 transition to minimize the confusion
and end effects?
Kalia
ps Happy New Year, everyone!
4 Jan
4 Jan
4:07 p.m.
The rule for the end-effects on this one is surprisingly simple:
"If nobody gives you their hand, don't go anywhere."
The messiness usually comes from people feeling like they should be going
somewhere, similar to what happens with a diagonal chain or right & left
through. This is just different enough that people don't think to stay put
if there's nobody there.
The end result is that as you're going off the end and back in that:
pull-by-left: everyone moves
pull-by-right: gent stays put
pull-by-left: pull by with partner
pull-by-right: lady stays put
If you have an odd number of couples, there will be a couple out at the end
which gives you a slightly different sequence, but in principle it's the
same.
On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi all,
I recently called Beneficial Tradition for the first time and noticed a
consistent hitch in the dance at the top of the set. It was probably
happening at the bottom too.
I was doing the variant with no wave balance in the A1, just Women
allemande L 1x and P swing. Though the transition from the pull-bys in the
B2 to that L allemande worked well inside the line, it was always funky at
the ends. I'm speculating that that's because folks coming out of the
pull-by pattern into empty space at the end were tending to head in a
consistent incorrect direction.
Those of you who have called this dance a lot, have you noticed the same
issue? How do you teach the B2-A1 transition to minimize the confusion and
end effects?
Kalia
ps Happy New Year, everyone!
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6 Jan
6 Jan
7:55 a.m.
I have never danced this dance, or even the one it derived from.
Might I suggest that what you are seeing is due to ambiguity of what you
mean to the un-initiated.
If there is an even number of couples, everyone participates in the 1st
Pullby.
Then on the Right Diagonal Pullby everyone but the two Men on the ends
participates.
Then @ B2b,
"With the one across (opposite sex), pull by left (!) and turn alone"
If I'm across from my partner, does this mean I Pull By?
(I would hesitate there, because single couples at the end don't usually
participate...)
It seems pretty clear you do, but again, not knowing I would probably
hesitate and that would be
the same as falling seriously behind, causing the next couple having no
place to go because there is this couple in the way.
(Hey, I did what you said and stayed where I was...)
This seems a slight case of "Do what I mean, not what I say".
What you didn't say is:
"At the end, if you are facing your partner, you are in for the pullby
across."
As for a single couple at the end who wants to join in,
they should be facing each other across the set, next to the opposite sex.
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On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:07 AM, Ryan Smith via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
The rule for the end-effects on this one is
surprisingly simple:
"If nobody gives you their hand, don't go anywhere."
The messiness usually comes from people feeling like they should be going
somewhere, similar to what happens with a diagonal chain or right & left
through. This is just different enough that people don't think to stay put
if there's nobody there.
The end result is that as you're going off the end and back in that:
pull-by-left: everyone moves
pull-by-right: gent stays put
pull-by-left: pull by with partner
pull-by-right: lady stays put
If you have an odd number of couples, there will be a couple out at the
end which gives you a slightly different sequence, but in principle it's
the same.
On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Kalia Kliban via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi all,
I recently called Beneficial Tradition for the first time and noticed a
consistent hitch in the dance at the top of the set. It was probably
happening at the bottom too.
I was doing the variant with no wave balance in the A1, just Women
allemande L 1x and P swing. Though the transition from the pull-bys in the
B2 to that L allemande worked well inside the line, it was always funky at
the ends. I'm speculating that that's because folks coming out of the
pull-by pattern into empty space at the end were tending to head in a
consistent incorrect direction.
Those of you who have called this dance a lot, have you noticed the same
issue? How do you teach the B2-A1 transition to minimize the confusion and
end effects?
Kalia
ps Happy New Year, everyone!
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4 Jan
4 Jan
6 p.m.
I have always thought part of the difficulty is that the ladies momentum is
away from each other in that last pull by, leaving them a distance away
from each other. On the end there can be some indecision about being in or
out. In XYZ (which has a different set of challenges at the end with the
"reverse") the momentum brings the ladies toward each other to start the
next round, and makes it a little more obvious when you are out. Those
dancing gent can help by giving SUBTLE weith in the correct direction after
the last pull-by.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBwjTWK3-4g)
Happy New Year,
Bob
Those of you who have called this dance a lot, have you noticed the same
issue? How do you teach the B2-A1 transition to minimize the confusion and
end effects?
Kalia
ps Happy New Year, everyone!
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5 Jan
5 Jan
11:47 a.m.
A really really GREAT dance by Dan Pearl! Yeah, the "end effects" are mostly
created by dancers doing something they weren't instructed to do! Pointing out that
the dance is a double progression during the walk through (to those who are actually
listening) is helpful I've found. It gives dancers a better idea where they will end
up even if they DO get confused. Admittedly that's a little trickier if you start with
a couple waiting out. But in that case, you can at least note that there will be a couple
waiting out at the end each time the dance starts..
HNY everyone.
bill
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Subject: Re: [Callers] Beneficial Tradition
I have always thought part of the difficulty is that the ladies momentum is away from each
other in that last pull by, leaving them a distance away from each other. On the end there
can be some indecision about being in or out. In XYZ (which has a different set of
challenges at the end with the "reverse") the momentum brings the ladies toward
each other to start the next round, and makes it a little more obvious when you are out.
Those dancing gent can help by giving SUBTLE weith in the correct direction after the last
pull-by.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBwjTWK3-4g<https://nam01.safelinks.prot…)
Happy New Year,
Bob
Those of you who have called this dance a lot, have you noticed the same issue? How do
you teach the B2-A1 transition to minimize the confusion and end effects?
Kalia
ps Happy New Year, everyone!
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12:20 p.m.
I have also found that it helps to point out that the ladies’ role has a total of 5 pull
by actions, while the gents’ role has 4.
Linda
On Jan 5, 2018, at 11:47 AM, Bill Olson via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
wrote:
A really really GREAT dance by Dan Pearl! Yeah, the
"end effects" are mostly created by dancers doing something they weren't
instructed to do! Pointing out that the dance is a double progression during the walk
through (to those who are actually listening) is helpful I've found. It gives dancers
a better idea where they will end up even if they DO get confused. Admittedly that's a
little trickier if you start with a couple waiting out. But in that case, you can at least
note that there will be a couple waiting out at the end each time the dance starts..
HNY everyone.
bill
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Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 11:00 PM
To: Kalia Kliban
Cc: Caller's discussion list
Subject: Re: [Callers] Beneficial Tradition
I have always thought part of the difficulty is that the ladies momentum is away from
each other in that last pull by, leaving them a distance away from each other. On the end
there can be some indecision about being in or out. In XYZ (which has a different set of
challenges at the end with the "reverse") the momentum brings the ladies toward
each other to start the next round, and makes it a little more obvious when you are out.
Those dancing gent can help by giving SUBTLE weith in the correct direction after the last
pull-by.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBwjTWK3-4g)
Happy New Year,
Bob
Those of you who have called this dance a lot, have you noticed the same issue? How do
you teach the B2-A1 transition to minimize the confusion and end effects?
Kalia
ps Happy New Year, everyone!
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12:22 p.m.
Sorry, I should have been more specific/clear: the ladies’ role has 4 pull by actions,
plus a final allemande….for a total of 5.
Linda
On Jan 5, 2018, at 11:47 AM, Bill Olson via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
wrote:
A really really GREAT dance by Dan Pearl! Yeah, the
"end effects" are mostly created by dancers doing something they weren't
instructed to do! Pointing out that the dance is a double progression during the walk
through (to those who are actually listening) is helpful I've found. It gives dancers
a better idea where they will end up even if they DO get confused. Admittedly that's a
little trickier if you start with a couple waiting out. But in that case, you can at least
note that there will be a couple waiting out at the end each time the dance starts..
HNY everyone.
bill
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Sent: Thursday, January 4, 2018 11:00 PM
To: Kalia Kliban
Cc: Caller's discussion list
Subject: Re: [Callers] Beneficial Tradition
I have always thought part of the difficulty is that the ladies momentum is away from
each other in that last pull by, leaving them a distance away from each other. On the end
there can be some indecision about being in or out. In XYZ (which has a different set of
challenges at the end with the "reverse") the momentum brings the ladies toward
each other to start the next round, and makes it a little more obvious when you are out.
Those dancing gent can help by giving SUBTLE weith in the correct direction after the last
pull-by.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBwjTWK3-4g)
Happy New Year,
Bob
Those of you who have called this dance a lot, have you noticed the same issue? How do
you teach the B2-A1 transition to minimize the confusion and end effects?
Kalia
ps Happy New Year, everyone!
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