22 Oct
2022
22 Oct
'22
5:25 a.m.
There is such a lack of attendance now post Covid in our area and I’m planning dances and
then 20 people show. Do you have best selections or considerations for 20 to 16 peoples
for intermediate experience dancers or secondarily less experienced dancers
My immediate question is for more experienced dancers, because this is more of a complex
preparation for me.
Laurie Pietravalle
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22 Oct
5:30 a.m.
New subject: Short contra lines
With smaller groups definitely consider screening compositions for
significant end effects - dancers will encounter them a greater proportion
of time than in longer lines/bigger crowds.
-Don
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 1:25 AM Laur via Contra Callers <
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There is such a lack of attendance now post Covid in
our area and I’m
planning dances and then 20 people show. Do you have best selections or
considerations for 20 to 16 peoples for intermediate experience dancers or
secondarily less experienced dancers
My immediate question is for more experienced dancers, because this is
more of a complex preparation for me.
Laurie Pietravalle
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6:41 a.m.
On Sat, 22 Oct 2022 05:25:13 +0000 (UTC), Laur via Contra Callers wrote:
Do you have best selections or considerations for 20
to 16 peoples for intermediate experience dancers or
secondarily less experienced dancers
My immediate question is for more experienced dancers, because this is more of a complex
preparation for me.
Try some easy squares.
Colin Hume
8:29 a.m.
Hi Laurie,
Last time I had that challenge in America, as well as some contras, I
called:
Ted's Triplet #3
Waltz Country Dance
Big Set (Birdie in the Cage, California Show Basket, Down the Coal Mine)
Square --- NOT!
Microchasmic
Hexitation
Check out the 101 formations at http://contrafusion.co.uk/Formations.html
for dancers for any number of dancers.
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574
http://contrafusion.co.uk/KentCeilidhs.html for Live Music Ceilidhs
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
http://www.modernjive.com for Modern Jive DVDs
11:41 a.m.
New subject: Short contra lines
I always carry an assortment of 3 face 3 and 4 face 4 since my home dance
may range from 6 - 30 dancers.
Sometimes a move such as right hand high, left hand low presents a
challenge for some of my dancers so I adjust on the fly. And may do a
double progression so no one is ever out.
Mary
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 1:25 AM Laur via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
There is such a lack of attendance now post Covid in
our area and I’m
planning dances and then 20 people show. Do you have best selections or
considerations for 20 to 16 peoples for intermediate experience dancers or
secondarily less experienced dancers
My immediate question is for more experienced dancers, because this is
more of a complex preparation for me.
Laurie Pietravalle
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1:30 p.m.
New subject: Short contra lines
Is there a list of easy double-progression dances that the group can
recommend?
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 07:42 Mary Collins via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I always carry an assortment of 3 face 3 and 4 face 4
since my home dance
may range from 6 - 30 dancers.
Sometimes a move such as right hand high, left hand low presents a
challenge for some of my dancers so I adjust on the fly. And may do a
double progression so no one is ever out.
Mary
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There is such a lack of attendance now post Covid
in our area and I’m
planning dances and then 20 people show. Do you have best selections or
considerations for 20 to 16 peoples for intermediate experience dancers or
secondarily less experienced dancers
My immediate question is for more experienced dancers, because this is
more of a complex preparation for me.
Laurie Pietravalle
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1:47 p.m.
New subject: [External] Re: Short contra lines
Victor and Mary
One of my favorite double progression dances is ADPD by Donna Calhoun. I used it to close
out last nights CCD ATL contra!
http://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/hosted/Donna_Calhoun.html#adpd
________________________________
ADPD (Awesome Double Progression Dance)
by Donna Calhoun
duple, improper
A1)
* 4-in-Line Down the hall (Actives in center); turn single
* Return; Bend the Line
A2)
* Circle Left
* Left Hand Star
B1)
* Balance and Swing NEXT neighbor
B2
* Lines Forward and Back
* Actives Swing
This is one of the easiest double-progression dances I know. I often do this as a
no-walkthrough dance.
This dance was written in desperation one night when I was calling our local dance and I
left my cards on the kitchen table. It Worked!! I intended to call it The Panic Button in
honor of its origin but events conspired against that name. Robert Cromartie picked it up
from me at Feet Retreat<http://www.feetretreat.com/FiddleBow/public/home.cfm> then
called it at his local dance. Afterwards Gene Hubert asked him "What was the name of
that awesome double progression dance?" Robert wrote that as the title on his card
and later submitted it to Larry Jennings<http://www.neffa.org/docs/how.html> under
the name ADPD for inclusion in the next incarnation of Zesty Contras. (GIVE and Take)
Since the new name was about to appear in print, it won.
Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMP (he, him, his)
Senior IT Manager, Emory Primate Center
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Subject: [External] [Callers] Re: Short contra lines
Is there a list of easy double-progression dances that the group can recommend?
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 07:42 Mary Collins via Contra Callers
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wrote:
I always carry an assortment of 3 face 3 and 4 face 4 since my home dance may range from 6
- 30 dancers.
Sometimes a move such as right hand high, left hand low presents a challenge for some of
my dancers so I adjust on the fly. And may do a double progression so no one is ever
out.
Mary
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wrote:
There is such a lack of attendance now post Covid in our area and I’m planning dances and
then 20 people show. Do you have best selections or considerations for 20 to 16 peoples
for intermediate experience dancers or secondarily less experienced dancers
My immediate question is for more experienced dancers, because this is more of a complex
preparation for me.
Laurie Pietravalle
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10:18 p.m.
New subject: [External] Re: Short contra lines
Yes! I use that as well. I closed todays session with it in fact.
Laurie
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#yiv7442289276 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Victor and Mary
One of my favorite double progression dances is ADPD by Donna Calhoun. I used it to close
out last nights CCD ATL
contra!http://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/hosted/Donna_Calhoun.html#adpd
ADPD (Awesome Double Progression Dance)
by Donna Calhoun
duple, improper
A1)
- 4-in-Line Down the hall (Actives in center); turn single
- Return; Bend the Line
A2)
- Circle Left
- Left Hand Star
B1)
- Balance and Swing NEXT neighbor
B2
- Lines Forward and Back
- Actives Swing
This is one of the easiest double-progression dances I know. I often do this as a
no-walkthrough dance.
This dance was written in desperation one night when I was calling our local dance and
I left my cards on the kitchen table. It Worked!! I intended to call it The Panic Button
in honor of its origin but events conspired against that name. Robert Cromartie picked it
up from me at Feet Retreat then called it at his local dance. Afterwards Gene Hubert asked
him "What was the name of that awesome double progression dance?" Robert wrote
that as the title on his card and later submitted it to Larry Jennings under the name ADPD
for inclusion in the next incarnation of Zesty Contras. (GIVE and Take) Since the new name
was about to appear in print, it won.
Seth Tepfer, MBA, CSM, PMP (he, him, his)
Senior IT Manager, Emory Primate CenterFrom: Victor Gascon via Contra Callers
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Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2022 9:30 AM
To: Mary Collins <nativedae(a)gmail.com>
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Subject: [External] [Callers] Re: Short contra lines Is there a list of easy
double-progression dances that the group can recommend?
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 07:42 Mary Collins via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I always carry an assortment of 3 face 3 and 4 face 4 since my home dance may range from 6
- 30 dancers.
Sometimes a move such as right hand high, left hand low presents a challenge for some of
my dancers so I adjust on the fly. And may do a double progression so no one is ever
out.
Mary
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 1:25 AM Laur via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
There is such a lack of attendance now post Covid in our area and I’m planning dances and
then 20 people show. Do you have best selections or considerations for 20 to 16 peoples
for intermediate experience dancers or secondarily less experienced dancers
My immediate question is for more experienced dancers, because this is more of a complex
preparation for me.
Laurie Pietravalle
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2:02 p.m.
New subject: Short contra lines
Remember that double progression dances work better with an odd number of couples
(assuming the end effects are not overwhelming). With an even number, the dancers will
always be doing the same part of the routine with the same neighbors. This will be even
more frustrating in short lines.
Tony Parkes
Billerica, Mass.
www.hands4.com<http://www.hands4.com/>
New book! Square Dance Calling: An Old Art for a New Century
(available now)
From: Victor Gascon via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2022 9:30 AM
To: Mary Collins <nativedae(a)gmail.com>
Cc: Contra Callers <contracallers(a)sharedweight.net>
Subject: [Callers] Re: Short contra lines
Is there a list of easy double-progression dances that the group can recommend?
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 07:42 Mary Collins via Contra Callers
<contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net<mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>>
wrote:
I always carry an assortment of 3 face 3 and 4 face 4 since my home dance may range from 6
- 30 dancers.
Sometimes a move such as right hand high, left hand low presents a challenge for some of
my dancers so I adjust on the fly. And may do a double progression so no one is ever
out.
Mary
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wrote:
There is such a lack of attendance now post Covid in our area and I’m planning dances and
then 20 people show. Do you have best selections or considerations for 20 to 16 peoples
for intermediate experience dancers or secondarily less experienced dancers
My immediate question is for more experienced dancers, because this is more of a complex
preparation for me.
Laurie Pietravalle
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11:05 p.m.
New subject: Short contra lines
Thanks Tony, can’t believe I missed that. Excellent point.
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Remember that double progression dances work better with an odd number of couples
(assuming the end effects are not overwhelming). With an even number, the dancers will
always be doing the same part of the routine with the same neighbors. This will be even
more frustrating in short lines.
Tony Parkes
Billerica, Mass.
www.hands4.com
New book! Square Dance Calling: An Old Art for a New Century
(available now)
From: Victor Gascon via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2022 9:30 AM
To: Mary Collins <nativedae(a)gmail.com>
Cc: Contra Callers <contracallers(a)sharedweight.net>
Subject: [Callers] Re: Short contra lines
Is there a list of easy double-progression dances that the group can recommend?
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 07:42 Mary Collins via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I always carry an assortment of 3 face 3 and 4 face 4 since my home dance may range from 6
- 30 dancers.
Sometimes a move such as right hand high, left hand low presents a challenge for some of
my dancers so I adjust on the fly. And may do a double progression so no one is ever
out.
Mary
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 1:25 AM Laur via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
There is such a lack of attendance now post Covid in our area and I’m planning dances and
then 20 people show. Do you have best selections or considerations for 20 to 16 peoples
for intermediate experience dancers or secondarily less experienced dancers
My immediate question is for more experienced dancers, because this is more of a complex
preparation for me.
Laurie Pietravalle
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11:17 p.m.
New subject: Short contra lines
I remember a night when attendance was thin toward the end of the
evening and we did a series of contras in Beckett formation with double
progression. That worked well. Every once in a while the dancers took
it upon themselves to swap roles or do a non-standard progression to mix
it up a little.
Dave Harding
On 10/22/2022 6:05 PM, Laur via Contra Callers wrote:
Thanks Tony, can’t believe I missed that. Excellent
point.
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On Saturday, October 22, 2022, 6:57 PM, Tony Parkes via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Remember that double progression dances work better with an odd
number of couples (assuming the end effects are not overwhelming).
With an even number, the dancers will always be doing the same
part of the routine with the same neighbors. This will be even
more frustrating in short lines.
Tony Parkes
Billerica, Mass.
www.hands4.com <http://www.hands4.com/>
New book! Square Dance Calling: An Old Art for a New Century
(available now)
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*Sent:* Saturday, October 22, 2022 9:30 AM
*To:* Mary Collins <nativedae(a)gmail.com>
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*Subject:* [Callers] Re: Short contra lines
Is there a list of easy double-progression dances that the group
can recommend?
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 07:42 Mary Collins via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I always carry an assortment of 3 face 3 and 4 face 4 since my
home dance may range from 6 - 30 dancers.
Sometimes a move such as right hand high, left hand low
presents a challenge for some of my dancers so I adjust on the
fly. And may do a double progression so no one is ever out.
Mary
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 1:25 AM Laur via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
There is such a lack of attendance now post Covid in our
area and I’m planning dances and then 20 people show. Do
you have best selections or considerations for 20 to 16
peoples for intermediate experience dancers or
secondarily less experienced dancers
My immediate question is for more experienced dancers,
because this is more of a complex preparation for me.
Laurie Pietravalle
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24 Oct
1:34 p.m.
New subject: Short contra lines
When I began calling contras, I was advised to avoid double progression
dances in general because they had limited use.
When do you use such contras?
Rich Sbardella
Stafford Springs, CT
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 7:06 PM Laur via Contra Callers <
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Thanks Tony, can’t believe I missed that. Excellent
point.
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On Saturday, October 22, 2022, 6:57 PM, Tony Parkes via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Remember that double progression dances work better with an odd number of
couples (assuming the end effects are not overwhelming). With an even
number, the dancers will always be doing the same part of the routine with
the same neighbors. This will be even more frustrating in short lines.
Tony Parkes
Billerica, Mass.
www.hands4.com
New book! Square Dance Calling: An Old Art for a New Century
(available now)
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contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
*Sent:* Saturday, October 22, 2022 9:30 AM
*To:* Mary Collins <nativedae(a)gmail.com>
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*Subject:* [Callers] Re: Short contra lines
Is there a list of easy double-progression dances that the group can
recommend?
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 07:42 Mary Collins via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I always carry an assortment of 3 face 3 and 4 face 4 since my home dance
may range from 6 - 30 dancers.
Sometimes a move such as right hand high, left hand low presents a
challenge for some of my dancers so I adjust on the fly. And may do a
double progression so no one is ever out.
Mary
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 1:25 AM Laur via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
There is such a lack of attendance now post Covid in our area and I’m
planning dances and then 20 people show. Do you have best selections or
considerations for 20 to 16 peoples for intermediate experience dancers or
secondarily less experienced dancers
My immediate question is for more experienced dancers, because this is
more of a complex preparation for me.
Laurie Pietravalle
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1:38 p.m.
New subject: Short contra lines
I love to use them when I have a small number of couples, because they avoid having people
having to sit out on the ends for very long. Double progressions can also be fun in the
middle of the night with a large group to get the dancers zooming through the lines and
meeting lots of new people. Casey Carr
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On Oct 24, 2022, at 9:34 AM, Rich Sbardella via Contra
Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
When I began calling contras, I was advised to avoid double progression dances in general
because they had limited use.
When do you use such contras?
Rich Sbardella
Stafford Springs, CT
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 7:06 PM Laur via Contra
Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Thanks Tony, can’t believe I missed that. Excellent point.
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
On Saturday, October 22, 2022, 6:57 PM, Tony Parkes via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Remember that double progression dances work better with an odd number of couples
(assuming the end effects are not overwhelming). With an even number, the dancers will
always be doing the same part of the routine with the same neighbors. This will be even
more frustrating in short lines.
Tony Parkes
Billerica, Mass.
www.hands4.com
New book! Square Dance Calling: An Old Art for a New Century
(available now)
From: Victor Gascon via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2022 9:30 AM
To: Mary Collins <nativedae(a)gmail.com>
Cc: Contra Callers <contracallers(a)sharedweight.net>
Subject: [Callers] Re: Short contra lines
Is there a list of easy double-progression dances that the group can recommend?
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 07:42 Mary Collins via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I always carry an assortment of 3 face 3 and 4 face 4 since my home dance may range from
6 - 30 dancers.
Sometimes a move such as right hand high, left hand low presents a challenge for some of
my dancers so I adjust on the fly. And may do a double progression so no one is ever
out.
Mary
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022, 1:25 AM Laur via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
There is such a lack of attendance now post Covid in our area and I’m planning dances and
then 20 people show. Do you have best selections or considerations for 20 to 16 peoples
for intermediate experience dancers or secondarily less experienced dancers
My immediate question is for more experienced dancers, because this is more of a complex
preparation for me.
Laurie Pietravalle
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25 Oct
6:38 a.m.
New subject: Short contra lines
I'm dubious about using double progression in short lines.
If there's an odd number of couples in the line:
In a single progression dance, there's always one couple out,
alternating between the top and the bottom of the line.
In a double progression dance, there's always one couple out at the
bottom of the line.
If there's an even number of couples in the line:
In a single progression dance, it alternates between 0 and 2 couples
out at the ends, for an time-average of 1 couple out.
In a double progression dance with two individual progressions (like
Awesome Double Progression Dance), for half of one time through the
dance, 0 couples are out, and for the other half of the time through a
dance, there are 2 couples out at the ends, for a time-average of 1
couple out. And you always do the first half of the dance sequence
with the same half of the couples.
In a double progression dance where you progress all at once (like the
left diagonal right-and-left-through of Becket Reel), everyone's
always in. But you only dance with half the couples, which is more
noticeable in short lines.
Cheers,
-Chris Page
Los Angeles, CA
11 a.m.
New subject: Short contra lines
I think maybe a comment I made may have added to this. When I said I'd use
dbl prog it was specifically in relation to low dancer #'s and using 4 face
4 or 3 face 3. Not contra lines. Rarely would I use a dbl prog unless I
have longer lines and doing contras.
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 2:39 AM Chris Page via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I'm dubious about using double progression in
short lines.
If there's an odd number of couples in the line:
In a single progression dance, there's always one couple out,
alternating between the top and the bottom of the line.
In a double progression dance, there's always one couple out at the
bottom of the line.
If there's an even number of couples in the line:
In a single progression dance, it alternates between 0 and 2 couples
out at the ends, for an time-average of 1 couple out.
In a double progression dance with two individual progressions (like
Awesome Double Progression Dance), for half of one time through the
dance, 0 couples are out, and for the other half of the time through a
dance, there are 2 couples out at the ends, for a time-average of 1
couple out. And you always do the first half of the dance sequence
with the same half of the couples.
In a double progression dance where you progress all at once (like the
left diagonal right-and-left-through of Becket Reel), everyone's
always in. But you only dance with half the couples, which is more
noticeable in short lines.
Cheers,
-Chris Page
Los Angeles, CA
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12:19 p.m.
New subject: Short contra lines
Like Chris, I'm also confused about how this helps with low dancer numbers.
I also don't see how 4x4 or 3x3 help, since if you only have enough people
for a single line those formations mean more people are out?
Jeff
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 7:01 AM Mary Collins via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I think maybe a comment I made may have added to this.
When I said I'd use
dbl prog it was specifically in relation to low dancer #'s and using 4 face
4 or 3 face 3. Not contra lines. Rarely would I use a dbl prog unless I
have longer lines and doing contras.
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 2:39 AM Chris Page via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I'm dubious about using double progression in
short lines.
If there's an odd number of couples in the line:
In a single progression dance, there's always one couple out,
alternating between the top and the bottom of the line.
In a double progression dance, there's always one couple out at the
bottom of the line.
If there's an even number of couples in the line:
In a single progression dance, it alternates between 0 and 2 couples
out at the ends, for an time-average of 1 couple out.
In a double progression dance with two individual progressions (like
Awesome Double Progression Dance), for half of one time through the
dance, 0 couples are out, and for the other half of the time through a
dance, there are 2 couples out at the ends, for a time-average of 1
couple out. And you always do the first half of the dance sequence
with the same half of the couples.
In a double progression dance where you progress all at once (like the
left diagonal right-and-left-through of Becket Reel), everyone's
always in. But you only dance with half the couples, which is more
noticeable in short lines.
Cheers,
-Chris Page
Los Angeles, CA
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5:45 p.m.
New subject: Short contra lines
Hi Jeff,
The statement is not, “If you are low on numbers use 3x3s”. The statement
is: Have dances for every possible number of dancers in your kit-bag so that everyone is
dancing.
I work with small groups so I have all sorts of fun dances in every possible
formation and for any number of dances. I often don’t select the dance until I see how
many people have got up. Sometimes I choose a dance that will fit the numbers, then
someone says that they need a rest; I just change the dance to accommodate the number of
dancers on the floor. I can dance and call at the same time (wireless head mike!) so I
can join in if we are one short. See http://contrafusion.co.uk/Formations.html for some
ideas for different numbers.
Happy dancing,
John
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Subject: [Callers] Re: Short contra lines
Like Chris, I'm also confused about how this helps with low dancer numbers. I also
don't see how 4x4 or 3x3 help, since if you only have enough people for a single line
those formations mean more people are out?
Jeff
24 Oct
24 Oct
5:56 p.m.
New subject: Short contra lines
I like use them when there are very long lines, but also at times just for a change of
pace.
Jonathan
On 10/24/2022 8:34 AM, Rich Sbardella via Contra Callers wrote:
When I began calling contras, I was advised to avoid
double progression dances in general because they had limited use.
When do you use such contras?
Rich Sbardella
Stafford Springs, CT
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Thanks Tony, can’t believe I missed that. Excellent point.
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Remember that double progression dances work better with an odd number of couples
(assuming the end effects are not overwhelming). With an even number, the dancers will
always be doing the same part of the routine with the same neighbors. This will be even
more frustrating in short lines.
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Is there a list of easy double-progression dances that the group can recommend?
On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 07:42 Mary Collins via Contra Callers
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I always carry an assortment of 3 face 3 and 4 face 4 since my home dance may
range from 6 - 30 dancers.
Sometimes a move such as right hand high, left hand low presents a challenge
for some of my dancers so I adjust on the fly. And may do a double progression so no one
is ever out.
Mary
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There is such a lack of attendance now post Covid in our area and I’m
planning dances and then 20 people show. Do you have best selections or considerations for
20 to 16 peoples for intermediate experience dancers or secondarily less experienced
dancers
My immediate question is for more experienced dancers, because this is
more of a complex preparation for me.
Laurie Pietravalle
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22 Oct
22 Oct
3:21 p.m.
New subject: Short contra lines
On 10/22/2022 8:30 AM, Victor Gascon via Contra Callers wrote:
Is there a list of easy double-progression dances that
the group can recommend?
Here's a great one that I use often.
Awesome Double Progression Dance
Donna Calhoun-McAllister
duple improper, double progression; beginner
1 - down the hall 4 in line (actives in the center),
turn alone
2 - return, bend the line to a cirle
3 - circle left
4 - star left
5-6 with new neighbor, balance and swing
7 - long lines forward and back
8 - actives swing in the center
A variation I often use is the have the line of 4 come back cozy and duck into a
cloverleaf star.
Jonathan
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