Okay, so I live in a void down here in Texas - will someone take me in when I have to move out of this state for my politics?
I'm intrigued with the techno-hip hop alternative dance tunes since viewing that video. Can someone share a list of tunes/artists I should look for that might work for college-age dancers when I can't provide live music? I can't find Tensta's My Cool on I-tunes.
Any help is appreciated.
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Babs,
A couple of things come to mind when gender swapping:
Leaders need to understand that those they twirl appreciate being stopped and pointed in the right direction. This is an additional level of responsibility.
In order to do that leaders need to know they will use first their left and then their right hand, changing hands over the lady's head as she twirls, bringing joined hands down to the side to face in correct direction.
See you at Moondance!
Charley
BTW I have some great new dances listed on my website: www.charley.8m.com
Sometimes when I am alone I Google myself...
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From: Laur <lcpgr(a)yahoo.com>
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Barb,
?
It's always fun to watch the gents do that first ladies chain in reverse role.
?
I agree with David's comments, that sometimes its just fun to catch them by surprise.
?
Ah-ha moments for both genders are how important it is to help your partner, guide them into a move or the next position, or ending in the position that fits the figure.
?
Limp noodles are a good point when they reverse.
?
Positioning - considerations with height and girth.
?
Some of these things are incidental to the gender workshop, but it all counts.
?
Laurie Pietravalle
MI
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Subject: [Callers] workshop ideas
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Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 8:59 PM
Hey, y'all,
I'm going to be facilitating a "gender-swap" w.s. at Moondance in a few days.? I've never been to a workshop on this topic, and I thought I would solicit ideas from the group.???Has anybody been to (or perhaps led) a gender-swap session????Any gems you can share with me on what worked well or what didn't?
Thanks!!
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Barbara,
The two things that are most confusing when changing genders are the chain
and the swing.
For the chain, you might review courtesy turn and also the twirl. Make sure
twirlers know their hand should be directly over the head of the twirlee,
and their hand should remain open (not gripping).
When I mentioned to one group that the twirler's hand should remain open, a
roar of women's voices said "Yes!" and I just added, "gentlemen, the
twirlees have spoken..."
--Jerome
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> Hey, y'all,
>
> I'm going to be facilitating a "gender-swap" w.s. at Moondance in a few
> days. I've never been to a workshop on this topic, and I thought I would
> solicit ideas from the group. Has anybody been to (or perhaps led) a
> gender-swap session? Any gems you can share with me on what worked well
> or
> what didn't?
>
> Thanks!!
> Barbara
>
> --
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> 660-528-0858
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> For the good are always the merry,
> Save by an evil chance,
> And the merry love the fiddle
> And the merry love to dance. ~ William Butler Yeats
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If the group is alert, what my dance partners and I occasionally enjoy, is memorizing both roles in the dance, then each iteration when there is a swing your partner, we swap gender roles.
ie: first swing I lead, then the next time we come back to swing my partner immediately takes the lead role and swings me.? Some dances are challenging and if the grey matter is slow, or it is late in the evening this can really snafu the line.
?
Chris Ricciotti has a great web resouce on Gender Free Contra on this web site.
http://www.lcfd.org/Articles/GFManual/index.html
?
Mark Galipeau
Queer Contra Dancer
We swing both ways, and then some.
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From: Jerome Grisanti <jerome.grisanti(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [Callers] Gender Swapping
To: callers(a)sharedweight.net
Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 2:27 PM
Barbara,
The two things that are most confusing when changing genders are the chain
and the swing.
For the chain, you might review courtesy turn and also the twirl. Make sure
twirlers know their hand should be directly over the head of the twirlee,
and their hand should remain open (not gripping).
When I mentioned to one group that the twirler's hand should remain open, a
roar of women's voices said "Yes!" and I just added, "gentlemen, the
twirlees have spoken..."
--Jerome
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> Hey, y'all,
>
> I'm going to be facilitating a "gender-swap" w.s. at Moondance in a few
> days.? I've never been to a workshop on this topic, and I thought I would
> solicit ideas from the group.???Has anybody been to (or perhaps led) a
> gender-swap session????Any gems you can share with me on what worked well
> or
> what didn't?
>
> Thanks!!
> Barbara
>
> --
> Jerome Grisanti
> 660-528-0858
> http://www.jeromegrisanti.com
>
> For the good are always the merry,
> Save by an evil chance,
> And the merry love the fiddle
> And the merry love to dance. ~ William Butler Yeats
>
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Also, on the swing, I generally would suggest that people do a
"gendered" and not a "symmetrical" swing. Some sort of swing where
there are two hands on backs and two hands clasped. It's a good
reminder of which part you're dancing, and it also makes it easier to
put the "lady" on the right at the end of the swing.
Beth Molaro's "Dance a Mile in your Partner's Shoes" workshop about 10
years ago is what got me started swapping back and forth. When she
does her workshop, it's mostly a dance, with style tips put in. I've
been thinking about putting a workshop together myself, and might look
at starting with a dance that plays with the roles within the dance
(Chained Men, by Gene Hubert comes to mind), and then talking about the
swing position, also about hand direction when taking hands -- "gents"
hands palms up, "ladies" palms down -- which also helps with the
remembering which part you're dancing. Maybe do a nice basic dance,
probably including a chain and encourage people to try dancing the
other part. Then maybe a couple of symmetrical dances, and encourage
people to switch during the dance...when they get to the end....or when
they swing their partner....or whenever they can figure out a way to do
it. ;-)
Let us know how it goes!
Jack Mitchell
At 05:27 PM 9/9/2009, you wrote:
Barbara,
The two things that are most confusing when changing genders are the
chain
and the swing.
For the chain, you might review courtesy turn and also the twirl.
Make sure
twirlers know their hand should be directly over the head of the
twirlee,
and their hand should remain open (not gripping).
When I mentioned to one group that the twirler's hand should remain
open, a
roar of women's voices said "Yes!" and I just added, "gentlemen, the
twirlees have spoken..."
--Jerome
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> Hey, y'all,
>
> I'm going to be facilitating a "gender-swap" w.s. at Moondance in
a few
> days. I've never been to a workshop on this topic, and I thought
I would
> solicit ideas from the group. Has anybody been to (or perhaps
led) a
> gender-swap session? Any gems you can share with me on what
worked well
> or
> what didn't?
>
> Thanks!!
> Barbara
>
> --
> Jerome Grisanti
> 660-528-0858
> [1]http://www.jeromegrisanti.com
>
> For the good are always the merry,
> Save by an evil chance,
> And the merry love the fiddle
> And the merry love to dance. ~ William Butler Yeats
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Barbara,
The two things that are most confusing when changing genders are the chain
and the swing.
For the chain, you might review courtesy turn and also the twirl. Make sure
twirlers know their hand should be directly over the head of the twirlee,
and their hand should remain open (not gripping).
When I mentioned to one group that the twirler's hand should remain open, a
roar of women's voices said "Yes!" and I just added, "gentlemen, the
twirlees have spoken..."
--Jerome
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> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:59:44 -0500
> From: "Barbara Groh" <barbaragroh(a)bellsouth.net>
> To: <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: [Callers] workshop ideas
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> Hey, y'all,
>
> I'm going to be facilitating a "gender-swap" w.s. at Moondance in a few
> days. I've never been to a workshop on this topic, and I thought I would
> solicit ideas from the group. Has anybody been to (or perhaps led) a
> gender-swap session? Any gems you can share with me on what worked well
> or
> what didn't?
>
> Thanks!!
> Barbara
>
> --
> Jerome Grisanti
> 660-528-0858
> http://www.jeromegrisanti.com
>
> For the good are always the merry,
> Save by an evil chance,
> And the merry love the fiddle
> And the merry love to dance. ~ William Butler Yeats
>
Delia,
Cary Ravitz explains one way to diagram a dance on his web page:
http://ravitz.us/dance/chor.php#d
Tom Hinds includes diagrams in his book "Calling New England Squares."
There are other more graphical methods. In general, for each move in a dance
diagrams should indicate where dancers are, differentiate between men and
women, between ones and twos (or 1s, 2s, 3s, 4s, heads and sides in a
square). It's also very helpful if the diagram indicates which direction the
dancers are facing. You'll very quickly realize which moves or series of
moves are "neutral," i.e., put everyone back where they just were, facing
the same direction.
If you know Flash or some programming language, you can get really fancy, as
did Martha Edwards:
http://www.westendweb.com/doublegrandsquare/
(Actually, Cary is a programmer, but he's very aware that not all of us are,
so he keeps his web page pretty accessible).
And of course, there's always salt and pepper shakers....
--Jerome
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> Not only can I not easily visualize flow, I can't easily visualize
> how you would diagram a dance!! Can anyone scan and post one they've
> done, or recommend a website that shows one?
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> On Aug 26, 2009, at 12:02 AM, Dave Colestock wrote:
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> > Hi All,
> >
> > Great suggestion Tom. Diagramming dances is the best way to see
> > the flow, especially for those who cannot easily visualize the
> > flow. Thanks for pointing out the Allemande change in Luke's dance
> > - that makes it flow much nicer.
> >
> > Dave Colestock
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> > Subject: [Callers] which hand
> > To: callers(a)sharedweight.net
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> >
> > I'd suggest an allemande right in Luke's dance. The reason is that
> > an allemande left would tend to have the couples end their swing
> > slightly staggered. That is, they wouldn't be exactly across from
> > each other. If the women allemande right this isn't an issue. Draw
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Not sure exactly what a gender-swap workshop is-- are you sure that's a topic
for a dance e-mail list? ;-)
I've had fun at a workshop with skilled dancers teaching a reasonably normal
dance (e.g., not one with a lot of idiosyncratic moves), running it half a dozen
times so everyone learned the sequence, stopping the music, telling folks to
change sides and dance the opposite gender role, not giving them time to think
much about it, and then starting up the music again.
In the middle of some brain-busting dances, it was a pleasant and fun change of
pace.
David Millstone
OMG, Wendy, I *love* your hip-hop contra!! How fun is that? This new fusion of the old dances with new tunes & moves has a lot of juice, and potential to keep the dance alive by intriguing the young folks in particular.
Have you seen the video of Youth Dance Week's late night dancing to Tensta's My Cool? http://vimeo.com/groups/danceoncamera/videos/1786406 Also, once I danced contra to a medley of Beatles tunes at Folklife, which had everyone, of all ages, whooping it up.
Sometimes it seems there's quite a tension between the love of oldest traditions, a holding to familiar forms that are neither old nor new, and the desire to experiment with/create new fusion forms like this, gender-neutral calls, the inclusion of swing moves and tunes, etc. I'd love to help our dance communities foster and hold both poles. Have you folks struggled with this tension in your communities? How do you deal with it?
Tina
I hope it's "toot your own horn day" because i'm about to do so
(shamelessly)...
Please check out my original "paper plate" contras for the emerging artists
evening: http://www.folkmads.org/wendy_dances.html
They might be a fit (and a hit!) during an emerging artist-themed evening.
Note: At CDNY's Synergy dance weekend (http://www.cdny.org/Synergy.html) next
month, I'll be exploring these, and other playful dances, that are
influenced by non-"native" dance and music traditions, such as Disco, The
Rockettes, Johnny Cash, Latin, and more.(cross-over contras?)
Good luck with what sounds like a fun evening!
Sincerely,
Wendy Graham
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www.folkmads.org/wendy.htmlwww.facebook.com/perkypants
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absolutely perfect." - StoryPeople
Hi Janet,
That's a neat dance that I'd like to try. I would think the way it's written
(swinging your *next* neighbor) works best since the CA Twirl makes you
change the direction your facing. But since dancers have turned to face back
in the opposite directiona fter the previous two CA Twirls, it may be tough
to "switch modes" and do a regular CA Twirl. I'd have to dance it to see
what that feels like...
Anyway, if you changed the dance to "swing your current neighbor", you'd
lose a progression. You could then swap in the "2x progression" B2 option
you suggested (no roll away) and it would make a regular single progression
dance. Hmm...now I want to try it!
Thanks for sharing!
-Sargon
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Bill,
Thanks for letting me know the square dancing terminology. When I
wrote the dance I was trying to think of a move (or a variation on a
move) that I didn't see used in contra dancing, at least not in dances
I had done.
I think the swing in A2 is fine as the dancers are facing a new
neighbor and have plenty of time for the swing. Someone, like Seth,
who has called the dance a lot may have more feedback on that. If I
remember correctly, I think when he first called it he had the dancers
swing their current neighbor instead of their new neighbors. I'm not
sure how that would work.
Janet
On Sep 1, 2009, at 6:06 AM, Liz and Bill wrote:
> Hi Janet,
>
> An interesting use of California twirl. Looks like a neat dance.
> I'm getting a lot of square dancers
> at my contra dances in New Zealand. In MWSD terminology "California
> twirl and face back in" is
> "California twirl and roll". How do women find the swing coming out
> of the California twirl in A2?
>
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It's a great dance, and I've generally not seen problems with the "face
back in" and "face the next" california twirls (though I have a couple
of times had people try to balance before the swing, only to discover
that they didn't have time for the swing. The balance, roll away,
balance, california twirl sequence feels really good, so I would,
personally, hesitate to take it out. If you do try different versions,
though, let us know how it goes. Whenever I've called it, I've had
people come up and comment about what a great dance it is (and callers
asking for a copy).
Jack
At 12:19 PM 9/1/2009, you wrote:
Hi Janet,
That's a neat dance that I'd like to try. I would think the way it's
written
(swinging your *next* neighbor) works best since the CA Twirl makes
you
change the direction your facing. But since dancers have turned to
face back
in the opposite directiona fter the previous two CA Twirls, it may
be tough
to "switch modes" and do a regular CA Twirl. I'd have to dance it to
see
what that feels like...
Anyway, if you changed the dance to "swing your current neighbor",
you'd
lose a progression. You could then swap in the "2x progression" B2
option
you suggested (no roll away) and it would make a regular single
progression
dance. Hmm...now I want to try it!
Thanks for sharing!
-Sargon
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 07:24:31 -0400
From: Janet Levatin <jlevatin(a)massmed.org>
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Subject: Re: [Callers] California Twirlin' author
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Bill,
Thanks for letting me know the square dancing terminology. When I
wrote the dance I was trying to think of a move (or a variation on a
move) that I didn't see used in contra dancing, at least not in
dances
I had done.
I think the swing in A2 is fine as the dancers are facing a new
neighbor and have plenty of time for the swing. Someone, like Seth,
who has called the dance a lot may have more feedback on that. If I
remember correctly, I think when he first called it he had the
dancers
swing their current neighbor instead of their new neighbors. I'm not
sure how that would work.
Janet
On Sep 1, 2009, at 6:06 AM, Liz and Bill wrote:
> Hi Janet,
>
> An interesting use of California twirl. Looks like a neat
dance.
> I'm getting a lot of square dancers
> at my contra dances in New Zealand. In MWSD terminology
"California
> twirl and face back in" is
> "California twirl and roll". How do women find the swing coming
out
> of the California twirl in A2?
>
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