Barbara G posted Nick Boulet's "Warmin' Up the Car" and started with:
"start in ocean waves along the side of the set"
I have always thought that an Ocean Wave was a wave of four people; in a
contra they would normally be across the set.
I know these terms for waves:
Wave: a formation of two or more dancers holding adjacent hands and with
each dancer facing in the opposite direction to that of the adjoining
dancer(s).
Ocean Wave: Wave for four (though in a square dance it could be from 3
to 7 people - maybe more if you do a grid square!)
Tidal Wave: Wave for all along the line of the whole set (can be down
the centre for just the Ladies or just the Men)
Alamo (Style) Wave/Ring: Circular wave
Mini Wave: Wave for two
Radial Wave: Waves for two in a Circle Mixer - all the couples like the
spokes of a wheel
Microwave: Having described some of the above to the dancers, hold up
one hand and wiggle the fingertips saying "and this is a microwave". :-)
Are these universal? What other terms do people use?
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
Ryan Smith said:
> Out of a post-swing position (Man on Left, Lady on Right) the man's
> partner
> can give weight and assistance for him to go into an allemande Left,
> similarly the ladies partner can help her into an allemande Right.
> That's
> not really true for the Man doing an Allemande R or the lady doing an
> Allemande Left.
>
> It's a small thing, but it's the reason that men usually use lefts and
> ladies usually use rights (because you're usually in a post-swing
> position). Breaking this convention doesn't typically ruin the
> dance, but
> it does make it less satisfying.
I agree that there are instances where partners (and neighbors) can
help each by giving weight etc. Sure, after a swing it's very
useful. In my opinion, men rolling their neighbors away followed by
a ladies chain is actually bad flow but It's the team work that makes
that combination fun. I believe this combination would really suck
without giving weight.
But I have to disagree with you on the need to use outside hands in
all cases. In many dances there's a forward and back followed by
for example, the ladies doing an allemande left. One is Ashoken
Hello. There are many ways that choreographers give dancers new
combinations instead of the same old thing. Allemandes with 'the
other hand' after forward and back is just one example.
I too have the ladies allemande left in 3-33-33 but it's after a
forward and back, not after a swing. If you're dancing with someone
who is absolutely clueless simply take her left or his right and lead
it into the center of the set. I don't see using 'the other hand' as
a problem for those with any experience or ability. If you have many
dancers who don't have the skills, then calling 3-33-33 is probably a
bad idea no matter which ending you use.
tom
I totally agree with Greg's suggestion to utilize your experienced dancers
in the training of newcomers. They can gently lead the individuals through
the figures which, from the stage, you can only describe.
However, you have to be able to reclaim the attention of all the dancers
when you are ready to proceed to the next figure. The last thing you need
is "teachers" talking over the caller and confusing the newcomers even
more. It is a slippery slope from asking them to help with figures to
having them talk over your walk-through.
> 4. Re: New contra dancers and similar figures (Greg McKenzie)
>
> Message: 4
>
> Alan,
>
> Thank you for this great question. Situations like this are all too
> common. I see this as a problem of integration. The core principle I use
> is to remember that:
>
> The caller always takes full responsibility for anything that happens in
> the hall.
>
> If first-timers are not integrated with the regulars, this is the caller's
> problem, not the dancer's. At an open public contra dance, integration of
> the hall can be seen as a primary indicator of how well the caller is doing
> their job. The opposite of integration is disintegration...and that is a
> bad thing at contra dances.
>
> So how can the caller assure full integration of the first-timers? The
> answer to that question gets at the heart of good contra dance calling, and
> goes beyond the scope of this discussion because there are many, many
> techniques, strategies, and skills that affect this complex goal. Much of
> it has to do with building the confidence of the dancers.
>
> The ideal situation is that the regulars feel confident and enthusiastic
> about partnering with first-timers and look forward to that as one of the
> primary reasons they attend the dance. The goal is to make dancing with
> first-timers *more *fun than dancing with other regulars.
>
> I think most callers start calling because they really enjoy teaching
> dance. This is all well and good. But we need to remember that the
> regular dancers enjoy this process as much as the caller. One key to
> achieving full integration is to empower the regulars to become leaders who
> have a key role in the process of welcoming newcomers. That means building
> their confidence through precise, clear calling and structuring your calls
> so that the regulars--as well as the first-timers--get the information they
> need at just the moment they need it.
>
> The caller has the resource of dozens of intelligent and helpful hands on
> the dance floor that are more than willing to help the caller *show *the
> dancers all of the moves. My experience is that when the caller uses that
> resource skillfully, the regular dancers respond immediately with boundless
> enthusiasm. The excitement of seeing your partner "swept in" to the
> excitement of contra dancing is an ecstatic one. We all remember that.
> When other regulars see how this process is working most of them will,
> naturally, want to be a part of it and are much more likely to partner with
> a first-timer for the next dance.
>
> Part of this strategy is to be willing to "step back" and allow the
> regulars to take th lead role in this process.
>
> I would like to hear how other callers use this strategy in their calling.
>
> Greg McKenzie
> West Coast, USA
>
> ************************
>
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Alan Winston <winston(a)slac.stanford.edu
> >wrote:
>
> > Gang --
> >
> > Wasn't really sure of the subject line, but thought I might as well not
> > say "memetic entrapment" because who would want to read it?
> >
> > Anyway, a phenomenon I've noticed several times over the years is that
> > some fraction of people who were in a beginner workshop and who in the
> > walkthrough of the dance were able to do something like "women chain to
> > partner, women allemande 1x, partner balance and swing" are no longer
> able
> > to do it, instead pretty reliably doing "women pull by, partner swing"
> and
> > confusion. [That one's recoverable, although if they then stop swinging
> > early and move on to the after-the-swing figure it can require
> attention.]
> >
> > This is likelier to happen if both partners are new, and likeliest to
> > happen if all four in that set are new. But that couple that's new will
> > have that problem repeatedly. When I see that I continue to prompt the
> > figures, maybe with more emphasis - Ladies CHAIN and COURTESY TURN - and
> > it doesn't seem to make any difference.
> >
> > (I'm reminded of something that happens to beginning English dancers.
> > "Back to back" (non-spinning do-si-do) and "Cross and go below" start
> the
> > same way - striding out to pass partner by the right shoulder. If
> there's
> > a do-si-do in dance #1 and a "Cross and go below" in dance #2, they'll do
> > the cross and go below in the walkthrough once they get the idea, but
> once
> > the dance is up and running, when it comes time for that move they'll try
> > to do-si-do, with resultant levels of chaos. That one has the obvious
> > feature that even if half of the partnership is doing it right the other
> > half can't see them, so there's no feedback about anything going wrong
> > until the 2s move up to fill the spot that one of the 1s is still in, or
> > only one of the 2s moves up, or neither of the 2s moves up.)
> >
> > This either doesn't happen to dancers who have been coming for a while or
> > is corrected quickly if it does, maybe by noticing what everybody else in
> > the line is doing.
> >
> > My hypothesis is that these are people who are still drinking from the
> > firehose. (The first time you come you hear everything important about
> > contra dancing and probably get exposed to half or more of the common
> > figures. It's a big cognitive load. The second time you hear the same
> > things again and get exposed to many fewer new-to-you figures, and by the
> > third time you might be successfully associating the figures with the
> names
> > - the flow of novelty is at a trickle and easy to absorb.) They're not
> > ignoring the caller, per se, but they don't have CPU left over to process
> > the prompts and in any case the words aren't really meaning anything to
> > them yet; if a prompt changes what they're doing they're going to take
> > four-six beats to get organized enough to respond to the prompt. )
> >
> > This will get sorted out if they keep coming back, probably. But they
> may
> > be less likely to return if they were confused and overstretched through
> > the whole evening, and this is the kind of thing that leaves you
> confused.
> >
> > What do you guys do about this kind of thing? I already keep prompting
> > clearly and in a timely way, refrain from shouting "No!" over the
> > microphone, don't lose my cool (a place that took me a while to get to,
> > incidentally). What else can I do to help these people succeed?
> >
> > [Also happy to hear alternative views of what's going on inside these
> > people.)
> >
> > -- Alan
> >
>
--
Donna Calhoun
Knoxville Country Dancers
Knoxville, Tennessee
Although I consider 3,33-33 an excellent dance, so many have designated 3,33-33 as awesome that it, like the word awesome, has become overused.
Some years ago (I speculate 20 or so) Susan Kevra wrote this wonderful dance Trip to Phan Reel (http://www.prismnet.com/contradance/sequences/trip-to-phan-reel.html)
For a year or so one could hardly attend a dance weekend without dancing Trip to Phan Reel. Then it slowly subsided to very occasional use.
Does anyone have any ideas why the calling of 3-33-33 (of the same vintage, as suggested by http://www.cambridgefolk.org.uk/contra/dances/steve_zakon/three_33_33.html), has not similarly subsided ?
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217-239-5844
Links to photos of many of my drawings and paintings are at www.ArtComesFuerst.com
I base my introductory workshop on George Marshalls, and am a firm believer
that the experienced dancers are the main teachers of the dance. In my
workshop, I always pair the experienced dancers with the newbies. The
workshop doesn't start until every newbie has an experienced partner.
I tell everyone that I'll be calling, but if you're new it will probably
sound like Blah Blah Blah. But that's ok because it is your experienced
partner and neighbors who will help you through this. Then I teach about
connection, giving weight, and line them up to dance Broken Sixpence. The
only "move" I teach in the workshop is the swing.
At the end of Broken Sixpence I tell them that the tradition is that we
trade partners with every dance and that women ask men to dance, women ask
women, men ask women, men ask men. Then I tell the experienced dancers to
find the newbies to dance with. I often hear callers tell the newbies to
find experienced dancers. That's like telling a drowning person to go find
a lifeguard!
When the "real" dance begins, I follow Beth Molaro's advice of "Test - then
Teach." So I might tell them to Allemande R their neighbor. I watch for a
couple of seconds to see the dancers teaching their neighbors to
Allemande. I don't jump in to teach unless I see that there is a need for
it, and there usually isn't, depending on the ratio of newbies to
experienced dancers. And then I often ask a foursome to demonstrate, which
further reinforces the idea that the dancers are the real teachers here. I
verbally describe what is happening while the demonstration is going on, to
help them get used to the words that are describing the process.
The experienced dancers are my allies and will let me know if there is a
need for more instruction.
I wrote a blog post about it. You can find it here:
http://jolainejonespokorney.blogspot.com/2012/11/dancing-with-newbies.html
--
JoLaine Jones-Pokorney
"We are as gods and might as well get good at it!"
- Stewart Brand
I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley contra
this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words "circle left
3/4". I know there are dances where you don't do that, but in this
otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows are Watching"
by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in which the cirle
3/4 is to the right) includes that move. Aargh.
Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of
the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?
Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle L 3/4)
Depending on dance kinematics, music tempo, and crowd, naturally, but...
I can't be the only one who thinks do si do 1.5 times is often too rushed
for most new dancers?
I often change dances that end with DSD N 1.5x to Next N
To
Pass thru, DSD Next N
for this very reason.
In dance,
Ron Blechner
Alan said, "I continue to prompt the figures, maybe with more emphasis -
Ladies CHAIN and COURTESY TURN - and it doesn't seem to make any
difference."
If there are only lady first-timers I just tell them to walk straight
ahead going right-left and let all the experienced men lead them though
the move.
But if there are some first-timer men then:
- I emphasise that though it is called a LADIES' chain they need to move
straight away
- I tell them to get their right hip and their left hand ready
- I walk the move three times on the first walk-through (assuming there
is just one in the dance) so that they can start building some muscle
memory
_ If they are having problems then I get them to practice the courtesy
turn: "Ladies, stand beside your partner/neighbour, offer your left hand
in front and make like a teapot with your right hand; Men, take the
lady's left hand in yours, put your right arm around her waist. Now
imagine there is a pole between you - the lady walks forward around the
pole, the man walks backwards - try it. Great - that is called
pole-dancing :-)".
- If I am over-prompting I address it to the men: "Ladies' Chain, Turn
those ladies"
And if there are a significant number of first-timers then I avoid Right
& Left Throughs, especially in the same dance as a Ladies' Chain! (Or
substitute a half-promenade.)
Yes, I often see people doing a move that starts like the one I called
in all types of dancing. If their brain is on overload then there is
only so much you can do. Part of the solution is careful programming to
introduce the first-timers to the moves and then to develop them over a
series of dances. But it is hard work when you have to keep the
experienced dancers happy as well!
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
Could someone share the Beneficial Tradition dance mentioned below--either
the dance itself or a link?
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> From: Michael Fuerst <mjerryfuerst(a)yahoo.com>
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> 3-33-33 is not the only such dance.
> ?
> Michael Fuerst ? ? ?802 N Broadway ? ? ?Urbana IL 61801?????? 217-239-5844
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>
>
> Could the popularity have something to do with dancing with multiple
> neighbors and coming back to your original neighbor?
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Mac Mckeever <macmck(a)ymail.com> wrote:
>
>> My theory is that 3-33-33, much like Beneficial Tradition, besides being
>> wonderfully arranged, contains a unique and popular figure that has
>> become
>> associated with that dance and is not found in many other dances.
>>
>> Susan's dance is also a masterpiece of choreography - but does not
>> contain
>> a signature figure.? That doesn't stop it from being one of my
>> favorites -
>> but does keep it from standing out over time.
>>
>> A few times I have called an evening with no planned program and allowed
>> the dancer to request dances.? Beneficial is by far the most requested.
>> That doesn't make it the best dance - but it is one of the most
>> memorable.
>>
>> Mac
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>? From: Michael Fuerst <mjerryfuerst(a)yahoo.com>
>> To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:07 PM
>> Subject: [Callers] 3,33-33
>>
>>
>> Although I consider 3,33-33 an excellent dance, so? many have designated
>>? 3,33-33 as awesome that it, like the word awesome, has become overused.
>>
>> Some years ago (I speculate 20 or so)? Susan Kevra wrote this wonderful
>> dance Trip to Phan Reel? (
>> http://www.prismnet.com/contradance/sequences/trip-to-phan-reel.html)
>> For a year or so one could hardly attend a dance weekend without dancing
>> Trip to Phan Reel.? ? Then it slowly subsided to very? occasional use.
>>
>> Does anyone have any ideas why? the calling of 3-33-33 (of the same
>> vintage, as suggested by
>> http://www.cambridgefolk.org.uk/contra/dances/steve_zakon/three_33_33.html),
>>? has not similarly subsided ?
>>
>> Michael Fuerst? ? ? 802 N Broadway? ? ? Urbana IL 61801? ? ?
>> 217-239-5844
>> Links to photos of many of my drawings and paintings are at
>> www.ArtComesFuerst.com
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> Whle that is a fun part of these dances - I don't think that is what makes
> them memorable and so popular.? As Michael said - there are lots of dances
> that do the and I can only think of a couple - probably because they don't
> have that something extra that makes them memorable
>
> Mac
>
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>
>
> Could the popularity have something to do with dancing with multiple
> neighbors and coming back to your original neighbor?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Mac Mckeever <macmck(a)ymail.com> wrote:
>
> My theory is that 3-33-33, much like Beneficial Tradition, besides being
> wonderfully arranged, contains a unique and popular figure that has become
> associated with that dance and is not found in many other dances.
>>
>>Susan's dance is also a masterpiece of choreography - but does not contain
>>a signature figure.? That doesn't stop it from being one of my favorites -
>>but does keep it from standing out over time.
>>
>>A few times I have called an evening with no planned program and allowed
>>the dancer to request dances.? Beneficial is by far the most requested.?
>>That doesn't make it the best dance - but it is one of the most memorable.
>>
>>Mac
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>?From: Michael Fuerst <mjerryfuerst(a)yahoo.com>
>>To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
>>Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 9:07 PM
>>Subject: [Callers] 3,33-33
>>
>>
>>
>>Although I consider 3,33-33 an excellent dance, so ?many have designated
>>?3,33-33 as awesome that it, like the word awesome, has become overused.
>>
>>Some years ago (I speculate 20 or so) ?Susan Kevra wrote this wonderful
>>dance Trip to Phan Reel ?
>>(http://www.prismnet.com/contradance/sequences/trip-to-phan-reel.html)
>>For a year or so one could hardly attend a dance weekend without dancing
>>Trip to Phan Reel. ? ?Then it slowly subsided to very ?occasional use.
>>
>>Does anyone have any ideas why ?the calling of 3-33-33 (of the same
>>vintage, as suggested
>>by?http://www.cambridgefolk.org.uk/contra/dances/steve_zakon/three_33_33.html),
>>?has not similarly subsided ?
>>?
>>Michael Fuerst ? ? ?802 N Broadway ? ? ?Urbana IL 61801?????? 217-239-5844
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> From: Alan Winston <winston(a)slac.stanford.edu>
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> Subject: Re: [Callers] Spanish Waltz
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> On 6/21/2013 6:56 AM, John Sweeney wrote:
>> Paul described the Spanish Waltz:
>> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>> 1-16) w/ P F & B, then inside hand (same hand) to N for CA twirl (4 m.)
>> w/ N F & B, " inside hand to P for CA twirl (4 m.)
>> w/ P F & B " " " to N for CA twirl (4 m.)
>> w/ N F & B " " " to P for CA twirl (4 m.)
>> (17-20) Hands Across R H Star
>> (21-24) L H Star
>> (25-32) w/ P Waltz on to next set of Ns
>> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>>
>> Paul, that's not really a California Twirl :-) A California Twirl has
>> 180 degree turns - it starts side-by-side, not facing. If you call it a
>> California Twirl then those who know what that is may get confused.
>>
>> The move is "normally" called a Star Thru - start facing, 90 degree
>> turns, finish side-by-side.
>
>> Teaching hint: tell all the ladies to put their right hand behind their
>> back and the men to put their left hand behind their back for the first
>> half of the dance.
> I usually say "this is the only hand you'll use" because I don't really
> want them to awkwardly hold a hand behind their back and then think it's
> authentic Victorian styling.
>
>
>> Alternate ending: I often work with people who don't know how to waltz.
>> A great alternative for the "Waltz on" is:
>> Take your partner in a promenade hold, move slightly forward to your
>> right so that the men's left shoulders are almost touching and you have
>> a line of four, dance forwards with waltz steps so that the line rotates
>> a in complete circle and a little bit more then on to a new couple.
>> This move flows beautifully out of the Star Left as well :-)
>
> Sometimes when doing that I demonstrate the slick transition out of the
> star; gent is behind partner so he just collects
> that left hand and steps up, scooping her up in the right-hand-behind
> (or courtesy-turn-like) promenade hold. Smooth.
>
> I like the version John puts forward. If you want to do this with
> non-dancers (not just non-waltzers), you can do
>
> (25-28) couples (holding inside hands and facing other couple) advance
> and retire [two waltz steps each way]
> (29-32) drop hands, pass through, continue to new couple, bow or curtsey
> to new opposite
>
> I use this dance a bunch for Civil War, Victorian, etc; it's never
> occurred to me to try it on hard-core contra dancers. (And I'm not much
> inclined to do it now.)
>
> -- Alan
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:52:31 -0700
> From: Alan Winston <winston(a)slac.stanford.edu>
> To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: [Callers] New contra dancers and similar figures
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> Gang --
>
> Wasn't really sure of the subject line, but thought I might as well not
> say "memetic entrapment" because who would want to read it?
>
> Anyway, a phenomenon I've noticed several times over the years is that
> some fraction of people who were in a beginner workshop and who in the
> walkthrough of the dance were able to do something like "women chain to
> partner, women allemande 1x, partner balance and swing" are no longer
> able to do it, instead pretty reliably doing "women pull by, partner
> swing" and confusion. [That one's recoverable, although if they then
> stop swinging early and move on to the after-the-swing figure it can
> require attention.]
>
> This is likelier to happen if both partners are new, and likeliest to
> happen if all four in that set are new. But that couple that's new will
> have that problem repeatedly. When I see that I continue to prompt the
> figures, maybe with more emphasis - Ladies CHAIN and COURTESY TURN -
> and it doesn't seem to make any difference.
>
> (I'm reminded of something that happens to beginning English dancers.
> "Back to back" (non-spinning do-si-do) and "Cross and go below" start
> the same way - striding out to pass partner by the right shoulder. If
> there's a do-si-do in dance #1 and a "Cross and go below" in dance #2,
> they'll do the cross and go below in the walkthrough once they get the
> idea, but once the dance is up and running, when it comes time for that
> move they'll try to do-si-do, with resultant levels of chaos. That one
> has the obvious feature that even if half of the partnership is doing it
> right the other half can't see them, so there's no feedback about
> anything going wrong until the 2s move up to fill the spot that one of
> the 1s is still in, or only one of the 2s moves up, or neither of the 2s
> moves up.)
>
> This either doesn't happen to dancers who have been coming for a while
> or is corrected quickly if it does, maybe by noticing what everybody
> else in the line is doing.
>
> My hypothesis is that these are people who are still drinking from the
> firehose. (The first time you come you hear everything important about
> contra dancing and probably get exposed to half or more of the common
> figures. It's a big cognitive load. The second time you hear the same
> things again and get exposed to many fewer new-to-you figures, and by
> the third time you might be successfully associating the figures with
> the names - the flow of novelty is at a trickle and easy to absorb.)
> They're not ignoring the caller, per se, but they don't have CPU left
> over to process the prompts and in any case the words aren't really
> meaning anything to them yet; if a prompt changes what they're doing
> they're going to take four-six beats to get organized enough to respond
> to the prompt. )
>
> This will get sorted out if they keep coming back, probably. But they
> may be less likely to return if they were confused and overstretched
> through the whole evening, and this is the kind of thing that leaves you
> confused.
>
> What do you guys do about this kind of thing? I already keep prompting
> clearly and in a timely way, refrain from shouting "No!" over the
> microphone, don't lose my cool (a place that took me a while to get to,
> incidentally). What else can I do to help these people succeed?
>
> [Also happy to hear alternative views of what's going on inside these
> people.)
>
> -- Alan
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:10:27 -0400
> From: Ron Blechner <contraron(a)gmail.com>
> To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
> Subject: Re: [Callers] "Loop Di Doo" (was Re: Tampering with a classis
> aagain 3-33-33)
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> Hi Jim?
>
> Yeah. That's originally what I was aiming for; I've danced contra dances
> where they are used as a down-the-hall turnaroynd. The Loop Di Doo differs
> in that instead of a turnaround move, it leads into a swing as a
> continuation of the move. Actually, if Forward Six changed hands the gent
> lifted, it would be the same since a swing follows.
>
> I do believe that's Jack Mitchell in that video.
> On Jun 20, 2013 11:14 PM, "James Saxe" <jim.saxe(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ron,
>>
>> I think your "Loop Di Doo" figure is a lot like something that
>> occurs in some versions of the traditional (not modern western)
>> square dance "Forward Six" (a/k/a "Right Hand High, Left Hand Low"
>> or "Right Lady Over, Left Lady Under" ...). See for example these
>> videos:
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=vaDbKuJNqkM<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaDbKuJNqkM>
>> (watch the action as 2:45)
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=ltQg0o_p0SU<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltQg0o_p0SU>
>> (watch at 1:12)
>>
>> It's not exactly the same, since in the square dance figure it's
>> the left hand lady (already holding he partner's hand) who ducks
>> under the arch, while the right hand lady arches (rather than
>> diving) to get to her lonesome gent.
>>
>> --Jim
>>
>> On Jun 20, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Ron T Blechner wrote:
>>
>> I wrote a dance that, when I finished it, I realized the A was the
>>> same as 3-33,33:
>>> http://contradances.tumblr.**com/post/10510984149/ants-**marching<http://contradances.tumblr.com/post/10510984149/ants-marching>
>>>
>>> It's gone over well, and has an easier finish. There's one move to
>>> teach very carefully. (I uh ... sorta created a variation of a
>>> left-hand-high-right-hand-low that goes into a swing ... called a Loop
>>> Di Doo). It's been picked up by a few other callers, so, I know it's
>>> not totally awful.
>>>
>>> in dance,
>>> Ron T Blechner
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Bree Kalb <bree(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with Michael. Especially in the case of a classic.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>>> From: Michael Barraclough
>>>>> <michael(a)michaelbarraclough.**com<michael(a)michaelbarraclough.com>
>>>>> >
>>>>> Sent: Jun 20, 2013 5:25 PM
>>>>> To: callers(a)sharedweight.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
>>>>>
>>>>> There are thousands of contras. If one doesn't work, why not try
>>>>> another one instead of altering that one?
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Barraclough
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 13:16 -0700, Dave C wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead of the Ladies Dosido 1.5 at the end to progress, just have
>>>>> the
>>>>>> Ladies AL 1 1/2 in the center, with RH ready for the next neighbor.
>>>>>> Some
>>>>>> in the caller community have dubbed this version of the dance
>>>>>> 3-33-34.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave Colestock
>>>>>> New Cumberland, PA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On Thu, 6/20/13, Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
>>>>>> To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
>>>>>> Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 2:10 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've had pretty good luck with it, possibly because I have the women
>>>>>> ID the next neighbor early on. They know which face to look for.
>>>>>> After
>>>>>> that, they get a better feel for the area to aim for to find the new
>>>>>> neighbor. A couple of seriously disoriented dancers can really play
>>>>>> havoc
>>>>>> with this dance though. It's brittle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kalia
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/20/2013 11:02 AM, Rickey Holt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3-33-33 lovers and callers - I have been calling this great dance
>>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>> and noticed that dancers of various experience levels in several
>>>>>>> venues have
>>>>>>> had trouble with the transition in the B2 from the Ladies Do-si-do 1
>>>>>>> 1/2 to
>>>>>>> the balance with the next neighbor that starts the dance. They have
>>>>>>> trouble
>>>>>>> finding that next neighbor, even after several times through, and
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> translating the momentum of crossing the set to that of up and down
>>>>>>> the line
>>>>>>> of the first part of the dance. I tried substituting an allemande
>>>>>>> right 1
>>>>>>> 1/2 for the do-si-do 1 1/2 of the original with little effect. What
>>>>>>> about a
>>>>>>> ladies allemande right about 1 1/2 to a next neighbor allemande left
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> then starting the dance again with a balance by the right with that
>>>>>>> neighbor? Other solutions? Have you or your dancers noticed the
>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>> that I have seen. As always, thanks for your thoughts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rickey Holt
>>>>>>>
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