8 Oct
2013
8 Oct
'13
9:05 p.m.
Has the dance name "A Walk In The Park" been taken? If not, dibs.
8 Oct
8 Oct
11:28 p.m.
Are we starting to have dance title "squatting" as seen with internet
domain name registrations? ;) Or do you already have a dance to go with the
title?
It looks like your path might be clear:
http://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/index/search.php?ti=Park
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Ron T Blechner <contraron(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Has the dance name "A Walk In The Park" been
taken? If not, dibs.
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1:34 a.m.
On 13-10-08 06:05 PM, Ron T Blechner wrote:
Has the dance name "A Walk In The Park" been
taken? If not, dibs.
In my personal collection, I have the following dance:
"A Walk in the Park"
author unknown
Sicilian circle
A1 neighbor dosido
partner dosido
A2 ring balance x 2
circle left
B1 ring balance x 2
circle right
B2 men link left arms,
partner star promenade 1.5
(and whirl to face new neighbors, presumably)
I collected it in 1990 from Marian Rose. (Are you on this list, Marian?)
Given that the author is unknown, it's possible that the true title is
also unknown (i.e., that "A Walk in the Park" was simply a name that
Marian attached to the sequence). My notes indicate that Suzanne
Girardot also called it, but under the name "Carousel". (But it's
certainly not the dance of that name by Tom Hinds, nor the one by Don
Flaherty.)
(It's 3/4 the same as another dance I have, "Wobbler's Jig" by Tim
Gerard, collected in 1994 from Marian again.)
Does anyone have better information on this sequence? Note that it might
originally have been longways rather than Sicilian.
-Michael
8:51 a.m.
Don: I already have one.
Michael: Thanks! You succeeded where Google failed.
On Oct 9, 2013 1:35 AM, "Michael Dyck" <jmdyck(a)ibiblio.org> wrote:
On 13-10-08 06:05 PM, Ron T Blechner wrote:
Has the dance name "A Walk In The Park"
been taken? If not, dibs.
In my personal collection, I have the following dance:
"A Walk in the Park"
author unknown
Sicilian circle
A1 neighbor dosido
partner dosido
A2 ring balance x 2
circle left
B1 ring balance x 2
circle right
B2 men link left arms,
partner star promenade 1.5
(and whirl to face new neighbors, presumably)
I collected it in 1990 from Marian Rose. (Are you on this list, Marian?)
Given that the author is unknown, it's possible that the true title is
also unknown (i.e., that "A Walk in the Park" was simply a name that Marian
attached to the sequence). My notes indicate that Suzanne Girardot also
called it, but under the name "Carousel". (But it's certainly not the
dance
of that name by Tom Hinds, nor the one by Don Flaherty.)
(It's 3/4 the same as another dance I have, "Wobbler's Jig" by Tim
Gerard,
collected in 1994 from Marian again.)
Does anyone have better information on this sequence? Note that it might
originally have been longways rather than Sicilian.
-Michael
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9:28 a.m.
Thanks Ron, my poor attempt at humor may have been too subtle too... but I
figured if you were at the point of namin' you might be at the point of
sharin'?
Michael, I presume the distinction between appearing in your personal cards
and your web database is that the Sicilian you mentioned was not
"published" heretofore? By putting it on SharedWeight does it now become
published and indexable? (I note you don't currently list SharedWeight as a
source but it might be a good one?)
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Ron Blechner <contraron(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Don: I already have one.
Michael: Thanks! You succeeded where Google failed.
On Oct 9, 2013 1:35 AM, "Michael Dyck" <jmdyck(a)ibiblio.org> wrote:
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On 13-10-08 06:05 PM, Ron T Blechner wrote:
Marian
Has the dance name "A Walk In The Park"
been taken? If not, dibs.
In my personal collection, I have the following dance:
"A Walk in the Park"
author unknown
Sicilian circle
A1 neighbor dosido
partner dosido
A2 ring balance x 2
circle left
B1 ring balance x 2
circle right
B2 men link left arms,
partner star promenade 1.5
(and whirl to face new neighbors, presumably)
I collected it in 1990 from Marian Rose. (Are you on this list, Marian?)
Given that the author is unknown, it's possible that the true title is
also unknown (i.e., that "A Walk in the Park" was simply a name that attached to the sequence). My notes indicate that
Suzanne Girardot also
called it, but under the name "Carousel". (But it's certainly not the
dance
of that name by Tom Hinds, nor the one by Don
Flaherty.)
(It's 3/4 the same as another dance I have, "Wobbler's Jig" by Tim
Gerard,
collected in 1994 from Marian again.)
Does anyone have better information on this sequence? Note that it might
originally have been longways rather than Sicilian.
-Michael
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9:19 p.m.
New subject: Indexing the list's archive (was: A Walk In The Park)
On 13-10-09 06:28 AM, Don Veino wrote:
Michael, I presume the distinction between appearing in your personal cards
and your web database is that the Sicilian you mentioned was not
"published" heretofore?
Yup. (Or at least, not to my then-knowledge.) My personal collection is
dances I've collected at events (i.e., for the most part, dances I've
actually danced). BTW, last time I checked, there was a surprisingly
small overlap with the dances in my index.
By putting it on SharedWeight does it now become
published and indexable?
(I note you don't currently list SharedWeight as a source but it might be
a good one?)
My sources wIsaacs ("The CD*NY Contra Repertoire") and wJack (Nathaniel
Jack's dances) are both from this list's archive. But you're presumably
suggesting I use the whole archive as a source. I've thought about it, but:
(1) The archives go back to September 2004. That would be a lot of posts
to go through to find individual dance descriptions. I don't think I'm
prepared to put in that much work right now.
(2) Although dance description in list posts are indeed on the open web,
I'm guessing the intent is rarely to "publish" a dance. So I'm not sure
if indexing the archive would agree with the ethos of the list. (It
might even be counter-productive, if it made people hesitant to post
dance descriptions.)
What do others think?
-Michael
7:25 p.m.
'happen to be looking for ONS dances in Thomas Green's "A Barn Dance
Repertoire" ....
Check out this dance, The Carousel, by Bill Wolding
http://barndances.org.uk/dance-detail.php?danceNameParam=carousel-the
8:31 p.m.
On 13-10-09 04:25 PM, Karin Neils wrote:
'happen to be looking for ONS dances in Thomas
Green's "A Barn Dance
Repertoire" ....
Check out this dance, The Carousel, by Bill Wolding
http://barndances.org.uk/dance-detail.php?danceNameParam=carousel-the
Bingo! Thanks, Karin!
(Annoyingly, Thomas Green's site is in my index, so I should have found
that page when I was searched for "Carousel". The thing is, I only index
his Longways page -- I'll definitely have to add his Sicilian circles page.)
The source is given as "Caller's Choice", which I don't think I've
heard
of. Antony Heywood's database lists its dances:
http://www.heywood.nl/antony/dances/sourceresult.php?ID=850
but doesn't say anything about its publication. After some poking
around, it appears to be the EFDSS book:
http://folkshop.efdss.org/Books+and+Publications/Callers+Choice+2.html
Maybe I'll order 1+2 and add them to my index.
So, Ron, I think we can safely assume that Marian collected the sequence
for "The Carousel" but didn't get the name, and just called it "A Walk
in the Park" (or possibly that happened with the person that Marian
collected the dance from, etc.). So I'd say that that doesn't constitute
the name being "taken".
(Of course, there still might be some *other* dance by that name.)
-Michael
10:01 p.m.
Right. Dibs it is, then. Unless someone else knows of either the dance
names or the figures that are similar, in which case, I happily stand
aside. :)
As per my previous thread a few days ago:
A Slow Walk In The Park
Ron T Blechner
Duple Improper
A1: N B+S (16)*
A2: Circle L 3/4 (6)
P S (10)
B1: LLF+B (8)
Star L 1x (8)
B2: P Alle L 1x (8, forgiving)**
Ladies Chain (8) (to N)
Notes:
* for slower music, a gypsy swing might be more appropriate, as the ladies
chain may end early, as Trip to Lambertville can do.
** Yes, the allemande once around is traditionally 6 beats. Stepping into a
star from a long lines can eat up an extra beat. This dance is intended for
basically two situations: 1. Early in the evening, when newbies will need
more time, especially with a star. 2. This should work well with faster
music, like Old Timey, and that slow allemande is going to feel a-ok. Just
remember to teach it something like: "A nice, easy allemande once around,
until the ladies face in". Similar timing slow-down can be seen in the
delightful dance "Joyride", where a gypsy 1x occupies 8 beats, and a novice
caller can easily forget to remind dancers to take it slow.
Wait. This gives me an idea. I now dub this dance "A Slow Walk In The
Park", and Re-dub "A Walk In the Park" as below.
I wrote this dance to teach all of the basic moves in contra, minus a
do-si-do. (David Kaynor's "The Baby Rose" or Becky Hill's
"Simplicity
Swing" are two of my mainstays for that.) It lacks a Down-the-Hall, but
I'll pull out Scott Higgs' "Appetizer", or Gene Hubert's "A
Nice
Combination", or Bob Isaacs' "A Pocket Full of Rye" for DTH+DSD. But I
didn't have anything good with an everyone-allemandes.
A Walk in The Park
Ron T Blechner
Duple Improper
A1: N B+S (16)*
A2: Circle L 3/4 (6)
P S (10)
B1: LLF+B (8)
Star L 1x (8)
B2: P Alle L 1.5x (8)
Gents Trade Places by R Shoulder (4)
P California Twirl (4)
-Ron
(Thanks to Linda Leslie for bouncing name ideas off of!)
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Michael Dyck <jmdyck(a)ibiblio.org> wrote:
On 13-10-09 04:25 PM, Karin Neils wrote:
'happen to be looking for ONS dances in
Thomas Green's "A Barn Dance
Repertoire" ....
Check out this dance, The Carousel, by Bill Wolding
http://barndances.org.uk/**dance-detail.php?**danceNameParam=carousel-the&l…
Bingo! Thanks, Karin!
(Annoyingly, Thomas Green's site is in my index, so I should have found
that page when I was searched for "Carousel". The thing is, I only index
his Longways page -- I'll definitely have to add his Sicilian circles page.)
The source is given as "Caller's Choice", which I don't think I've
heard
of. Antony Heywood's database lists its dances:
http://www.heywood.nl/antony/**dances/sourceresult.php?ID=850<http://www…
but doesn't say anything about its publication. After some poking around,
it appears to be the EFDSS book:
http://folkshop.efdss.org/**Books+and+Publications/**
Callers+Choice+2.html<http://folkshop.efdss.org/Books+and+Publications/C…
Maybe I'll order 1+2 and add them to my index.
So, Ron, I think we can safely assume that Marian collected the sequence
for "The Carousel" but didn't get the name, and just called it "A Walk
in
the Park" (or possibly that happened with the person that Marian collected
the dance from, etc.). So I'd say that that doesn't constitute the name
being "taken".
(Of course, there still might be some *other* dance by that name.)
-Michael
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About that "Yes, the allemande is traditionally 6 beats." Where did
that tradition come from?
When I started dancing in 1980, we learned that an allemande once around
was 8, 6, or 4 beats. To change the timing, simply get closer or
farther from the person with whom you're allemanding i.e. adjust the
circumference of the circle you're navigating, and the weight won't
change much.
In the Tennessee Mixer (which Fred Park says is from Kentucky, and Fried
de Metz Herman seemed to plunder for her waltz dance, the Wood Duck),
the allemandes are 8 beats.
In Hulls Victory, when the ones come together and go twice around, it's
fast, and they better be 4 beats.
In modern dances, like Penn Fix's "Settlement Swing," the once around
allemandes are also 4 beats.
~erik hoffman
oakland, ca
On 10/9/2013 7:01 PM, Ron Blechner wrote:
** Yes, the allemande once around is traditionally 6
beats. Stepping into a
star from a long lines can eat up an extra beat. This dance is intended for
basically two situations: 1. Early in the evening, when newbies will need
more time, especially with a star. 2. This should work well with faster
music, like Old Timey, and that slow allemande is going to feel a-ok. Just
remember to teach it something like: "A nice, easy allemande once around,
until the ladies face in". Similar timing slow-down can be seen in the
delightful dance "Joyride", where a gypsy 1x occupies 8 beats, and a novice
caller can easily forget to remind dancers to take it slow.
10:34 p.m.
Depends on what goes into and out of them, I guess. A hey into an allemande
is fast. A long lines into an allemande in the center, not so much. I'd
like to tip my hat at Bob Isaacs for helping me understand the dynamics a
bit of this back when I first started dance writing.
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Erik Hoffman <erik(a)erikhoffman.com> wrote:
About that "Yes, the allemande is traditionally 6
beats." Where did that
tradition come from?
When I started dancing in 1980, we learned that an allemande once around
was 8, 6, or 4 beats. To change the timing, simply get closer or farther
from the person with whom you're allemanding i.e. adjust the circumference
of the circle you're navigating, and the weight won't change much.
In the Tennessee Mixer (which Fred Park says is from Kentucky, and Fried
de Metz Herman seemed to plunder for her waltz dance, the Wood Duck), the
allemandes are 8 beats.
In Hulls Victory, when the ones come together and go twice around, it's
fast, and they better be 4 beats.
In modern dances, like Penn Fix's "Settlement Swing," the once around
allemandes are also 4 beats.
~erik hoffman
oakland, ca
On 10/9/2013 7:01 PM, Ron Blechner wrote:
** Yes, the allemande once around is
traditionally 6 beats. Stepping into
a
star from a long lines can eat up an extra beat. This dance is intended
for
basically two situations: 1. Early in the evening, when newbies will need
more time, especially with a star. 2. This should work well with faster
music, like Old Timey, and that slow allemande is going to feel a-ok. Just
remember to teach it something like: "A nice, easy allemande once around,
until the ladies face in". Similar timing slow-down can be seen in the
delightful dance "Joyride", where a gypsy 1x occupies 8 beats, and a
novice
caller can easily forget to remind dancers to take it slow.
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On 10/08/2013 09:05 PM, Ron T Blechner wrote:
Has the dance name "A Walk In The Park" been
taken? If not, dibs.
Great name either way.
I recently wrote a dance called ``Whirling Dervish" only to find that
Becky Hill had a dance titled ``Twirling Dervish" (published in her book
of the same name). I decided to change the title to: ``Whirling Dervish:
With apologies to Becky Hill".
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