Re: [Callers] Circle left 3/4 - Contra Callers

6 Jun 2013

This is often a problem if one insists on having every single dance have two swings in it.
Many, many dances get that by the circle left 3/4 route, and it really gets old. 

Here's a fairly simple dance I put together - I don't know if anyone else has
written it before as it is rather straightforward and the whole B is in other dances, but
since I didn't have another version I call it as this:

Magone's Maggot #3                                               

Duple improper                                                                  March 30,
2001

A1  Long lines forward and back

      Swing neighbor

A2  Women go forward, lure partner back 

      Swing partner

B1  Star right

      Star left

B2  Promenade across

      Women chain

Note: A2 is NOT a "Give and Take". I like to have the women use four counts to
go all the way over to the men, and then either take hands and draw them back with four
counts or lure them back with their eyes. I have never liked the give and take move, the
forward movement is stopped too soon, maybe only two steps, people sort of crash into each
other, just highly unsatisfying. Anyway, 2 swings if you must have them, and no circle.

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 Today's Topics:

   1. Circle left 3/4 (Kalia Kliban)
   2. Re: Circle left 3/4 (Perry Shafran)
   3. Re: Circle left 3/4 (Jack Mitchell)
   4. Re: Circle left 3/4 (Kalia Kliban)
   5. Re: Circle left 3/4 (frannie)
   6. Re: Circle left 3/4 (Robert Golder)
   7. Re: Circle left 3/4 (Donna Hunt)
   8. Re: Circle left 3/4 (James Saxe)

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 I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley contra 
 this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words "circle left 
 3/4".  I know there are dances where you don't do that, but in this 
 otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows are Watching" 
 by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in which the cirle 
 3/4 is to the right) includes that move.  Aargh.

 Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of 
 the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?

 Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle L 3/4)

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 Here's one I wrote without a circle:

 Dayton 1.5?? Perry Shafran

 A1 Allem R N 1 1/2
 Men Al L 1 1/2
 A2 Bal & Sw P
 B1 Ladies DSD 1 1/2
 Sw P
 B2 R&L thru
 LH star

 The interesting thing is that I did not set out to have a dance without a circle, but
that happened to be a nice byproduct of the choreography!

 Perry

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 I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley contra 
 this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words "circle left 
 3/4".? I know there are dances where you don't do that, but in this 
 otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows are Watching" 
 by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in which the cirle 
 3/4 is to the right) includes that move.? Aargh.

 Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of 
 the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?

 Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle L 3/4)
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 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:49:50 -0400
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 Here are a few without a CL 3/4 (or any circle at all).  There are a 
 bunch more but these are the first 4 that came to mind.

 *The Missing Piece*-- Bronwyn WoodsImproper

 *A1*N B&S

 *A2*Gents Alle L 1?
 P Sw

 *B1*LL F&B
 Ladies Chain

 *B2*Ring Balance, Petronella
 Ring Balance, Petronella
 [look for new neighbor -- behind you]

 *Punctuated Raindrops* -- Gene HubertImproper

 Notes: The timing is a bit tight in B1, so it may help to anticipate the 
 start of the hey.Composed in Dec. '96 as a variation on my Dancing 
 Raindrops.

 *A1*N Alle L 1?, Same N Alle R 1?
 to Wavy Line (Gents by LH in the middle)

 *A2*Wave Balance, Gents Alle L ? (quick alle -- 2 beats)
 P Sw

 *B1*LL F&B
 ? Hey
 catch partner by LH to swing the ladies into a wave (ladies in middle by RH)

 *B2*Wave Balance, Ladies Alle R ?
 N Sw

 *Salmonella Evening *- Steve Zakon-Anderson & Louie CromartieImproper

 *A1:*Neighbor Alle R 1?
 Gents Alle Left 1?

 *A2:*Partner Gypsy and Swing

 *B1:*Balance Ring, PetronellaTwirl
 Balance Ring, Petronella Twirl

 *B2:*Balance Ring, Petronella Twirl
 Balance Ring, Pass Thru Along the Set

 *Kitchen Stomp* - Becky HillImproper

 Tunes with punctuated four beat phrases in the Bs. Strong jigs or reels.

 *A1:*Neighbor Balance and Swing

 *A2:*Gents Alle Left 1?
 P Sw

 *B1:*Ladies Chain
 Balance the Ring, PetronellaTwirl

 *B2:*Balance the Ring, PetronellaTwirl
 LHS

 On 6/5/2013 3:42 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote:
  I'm in the process of putting together a
program for the Berkeley 
 contra this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words 
 "circle left 3/4".  I know there are dances where you don't do that, 
 but in this otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows 
 are Watching" by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in 
 which the cirle 3/4 is to the right) includes that move.  Aargh.

 Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of 
 the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?

 Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle 
 L 3/4)
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 On the plus side, as I look more closely, the circle L 3/4 is followed 
 by a quite different thing in each dance, so the transitions are 
 different...

 On 6/5/2013 12:42 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote:
  I'm in the process of putting together a
program for the Berkeley contra
 this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words "circle left
 3/4".  I know there are dances where you don't do that, but in this
 otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows are Watching"
 by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in which the cirle
 3/4 is to the right) includes that move.  Aargh.

 Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of
 the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?

 Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle L
 3/4)
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 Circle L 3/4 & swing, Circle L 3/4 & pass thru, Circle L 3/4 & balance the
 wave, Circle L 3/4 & balance the ring all feel just a little different.
 And it's better than having a program with all gents allemande L 1.5!
 I've had this problem before!
 ~ frannie

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 There are many no-circle dances; "Flirtation Reel" by Tony Parkes is a modern
classic. A special subset is no-circle Becket dances, which I started collecting a few
years ago. It is always handy to have Becket dances that do NOT begin with "Circle
left 3/4 to un-Becket?" You will find that Becket dances can start in a great variety
of ways. "Tenth Year in Tommerup" by Linda Leslie is a good example (starts with
gents allemande left). ? Bob

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 Oh, yes, a pet peeve of mine (along with men allemande left 3/4).  Sometimes it seems
like every choreographer uses those too much.  Here are some dances sans circles.

 Becketin the Kitchen by Becky Hill   Becket 1/4 turn to right

 A1 Long Lines Fwd and Back
    LadiesChain
 A2Balance ring and Petronella twirl to right
  Balance ring and Petronella twirl to right
 B1 Star left 1x
    Swingnext neighbor
 B2 Men Allemande left 1 1/2
    SwingPartner

 Get MeGoing ? Lisa Greenleaf    IMP

 A1  Balance and Swing Neighbor
 A2  Long Lines fwd and back
     Ladies Do si do 1 ?
 B1  Balance and Swing Partner
 B2  Ladies Chain
      Star Left 1x

 Hay inthe Barn ? Chart Guthrie    Improper
 A1  Balance and Swing Neighbor
 A2  Ladies Chain
    Ladies start ? hey
 B1  Balance and Swing Partner
 B2  Ladies Chain
    Ladies start ? hey

 Shadrack?s Delight                      Tony Parkes       Improper
 A1.  8        Neighbor do-si-do 1? to wave across
                 (Ladiesin middle with left)
        4,4     Balance, neighbor allem R ?

 A2.  4,4     Balance, gents allem L ?
        8        Partner swing ? face down

 B1.  8        Down hall in line 4x4 ? turn as a couple
        8        Up hall and bend the line  (orig: middlescast up & around ends)

 B2.  8        R and L through
 8                  Ladies chain to neighbor

 Heritage Reel                               TonyParkes       Improper
 A1.  4,12   Neighbor balance,&  swing

 A2.  8        Long lines forward and back
        8        Gents allem L 1?

 B1.  4,12   Partner balance, & swing

 B2.  8        R and L through
        8        Ladies chain to neighbor

 Get Me Going ? Lisa Greenleaf    Improper
 A1   Balance &Swing Neighbor

 A2   Long Lines fwd andback
        LadiesDo si do 1 ?

 B1   Balance &Swing Partner

 B2   Ladies Chain
        Star Left 1x

 Donna

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 Sent: Wed, Jun 5, 2013 3:43 pm
 Subject: [Callers] Circle left 3/4

 I'm in the process of putting together a program for the Berkeley contra 
 this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words "circle left 
 3/4".  I know there are dances where you don't do that, but in this 
 otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2 ("Cows are Watching" 
 by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting Frolic" in which the cirle 
 3/4 is to the right) includes that move.  Aargh.

 Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric of 
 the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers crazy?

 Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without circle L 3/4)
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 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:19:41 -0700
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 Kalia,

 There are lots of good dances out there that don't include
 "Circle left 3/4".  See, for example, this message from the
 archive

     http://www.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers/2012-April/ 
 004668.html

 in which Chris Page lists a bunch of dances that include a
 hey but not circle left (any amount) or ladies chain.  (Some
 may include a circle right.)

 See also this archived message

     http://www.sharedweight.net/pipermail/callers/2012-March/ 
 004654.html

 in which I discuss why the figure

   * Circle left 3/4

   * Gents [or ladies] allemande 1 1/2

 and

   * Women chain

 tend to show up in a lot of dances and offer some examples of
 less common moves that achieve the same choreographic purpose,
 namely moving men or women, but not both, to the opposite side
 of the set, so that the dance can include both a partner swing
 and a neighbor swing.

 --Jim

 On Jun 5, 2013, at 12:42 PM, Kalia Kliban wrote:

  I'm in the process of putting together a
program for the Berkeley  
 contra this evening, and don't seem to be able to escape the words  
 "circle left 3/4".  I know there are dances where you don't do that,  
 but in this otherwise nicely balanced program every dance but 2  
 ("Cows are Watching" by Bill Pope, and Carol Ormond's "Quilting  
 Frolic" in which the cirle 3/4 is to the right) includes that move.   
 Aargh.

 Is this one of those invisible moves that's just part of the fabric  
 of the contra dance experience, or is this going to drive my dancers  
 crazy?

 Kalia (who is now combing through the cards for dances without  
 circle L 3/4)
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