Aside: strangely, this thread wasn't there when I looked on the Shared Weight site. Seth Tepfer wrote: Do you have any sense of how long that ½ hey for four in couples in promenade position should take? I know in "Cranky Ingenuity" the couple DSD is to take 8 counts but it is always tight and really should take 10 and steals from the individual DSD Response: Something that stood out immediately was that in A2, 4 couples are swinging in a line. Ouch! 😋 On the point of the couple's hey, I'd suggest just taking handy hands, rather than promenade, as in the dance Weave the Line. Running it through my brain, it seems when a couple arrives at the end, and just turn around, they will be standing around a for a couple/a few beats. If that's right, that will throw off the idea of flow and continuity but I understand the need to change places at the ends, by simply turning individually, as opposed to wheeling around. Perhaps one could add individual looping-around at the ends, such as in a single hey, which may eat up the extra beats. For me the bigger concern, I think, is the 4-in-line swing. One could suggest keeping lateral distance across but that will be hard to maintain given that the last swing with partner will tend, I think, to close it up again. ?? Ken Panton Ottawa