20 Jun
2013
20 Jun
'13
2:02 p.m.
3-33-33 lovers and callers - I have been calling this great dance recently
and noticed that dancers of various experience levels in several venues have
had trouble with the transition in the B2 from the Ladies Do-si-do 1 1/2 to
the balance with the next neighbor that starts the dance. They have trouble
finding that next neighbor, even after several times through, and with
translating the momentum of crossing the set to that of up and down the line
of the first part of the dance. I tried substituting an allemande right 1
1/2 for the do-si-do 1 1/2 of the original with little effect. What about a
ladies allemande right about 1 1/2 to a next neighbor allemande left and
then starting the dance again with a balance by the right with that
neighbor? Other solutions? Have you or your dancers noticed the problem
that I have seen. As always, thanks for your thoughts.
Rickey Holt
20 Jun
20 Jun
2:10 p.m.
I've had pretty good luck with it, possibly because I have the women ID
the next neighbor early on. They know which face to look for. After
that, they get a better feel for the area to aim for to find the new
neighbor. A couple of seriously disoriented dancers can really play
havoc with this dance though. It's brittle.
Kalia
On 6/20/2013 11:02 AM, Rickey Holt wrote:
3-33-33 lovers and callers - I have been calling this
great dance recently
and noticed that dancers of various experience levels in several venues have
had trouble with the transition in the B2 from the Ladies Do-si-do 1 1/2 to
the balance with the next neighbor that starts the dance. They have trouble
finding that next neighbor, even after several times through, and with
translating the momentum of crossing the set to that of up and down the line
of the first part of the dance. I tried substituting an allemande right 1
1/2 for the do-si-do 1 1/2 of the original with little effect. What about a
ladies allemande right about 1 1/2 to a next neighbor allemande left and
then starting the dance again with a balance by the right with that
neighbor? Other solutions? Have you or your dancers noticed the problem
that I have seen. As always, thanks for your thoughts.
Rickey Holt
4:16 p.m.
Instead of the Ladies Dosido 1.5 at the end to progress, just have the Ladies AL 1 1/2 in
the center, with RH ready for the next neighbor. Some in the caller community have dubbed
this version of the dance 3-33-34.
Dave Colestock
New Cumberland, PA
--- On Thu, 6/20/13, Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 2:10 PM
I've had pretty good luck with it, possibly because I have the women ID the next
neighbor early on. They know which face to look for. After that, they get a better feel
for the area to aim for to find the new neighbor. A couple of seriously disoriented
dancers can really play havoc with this dance though. It's brittle.
Kalia
On 6/20/2013 11:02 AM, Rickey Holt wrote:
3-33-33 lovers and callers - I have been calling this
great dance recently
and noticed that dancers of various experience levels in several venues have
had trouble with the transition in the B2 from the Ladies Do-si-do 1 1/2 to
the balance with the next neighbor that starts the dance. They have trouble
finding that next neighbor, even after several times through, and with
translating the momentum of crossing the set to that of up and down the line
of the first part of the dance. I tried substituting an allemande right 1
1/2 for the do-si-do 1 1/2 of the original with little effect. What about a
ladies allemande right about 1 1/2 to a next neighbor allemande left and
then starting the dance again with a balance by the right with that
neighbor? Other solutions? Have you or your dancers noticed the problem
that I have seen. As always, thanks for your thoughts.
Rickey Holt
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4:27 p.m.
Sorry, Dave and Chris, but I have to disagree with you on the ladies allemande L 1 1/2.
Sure, it leaves the R hand free for the new N, but going from the long lines to that
allemande is awkward for the ladies.
So after various tries, I've come (almost) back to the original; ladies dosido and
pass R to the new N. with emphasis on which N they should look for in the teaching. No
need to tamper with this classic -
Bob
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:16:57 -0700
From: contradancerdave(a)yahoo.com
To: callers(a)sharedweight.net
Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
Instead of the Ladies Dosido 1.5 at the end to progress, just have the Ladies AL 1 1/2 in
the center, with RH ready for the next neighbor. Some in the caller community have dubbed
this version of the dance 3-33-34.
Dave Colestock
New Cumberland, PA
--- On Thu, 6/20/13, Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 2:10 PM
I've had pretty good luck with it, possibly because I have the women ID the next
neighbor early on. They know which face to look for. After that, they get a better feel
for the area to aim for to find the new neighbor. A couple of seriously disoriented
dancers can really play havoc with this dance though. It's brittle.
Kalia
On 6/20/2013 11:02 AM, Rickey Holt wrote:
3-33-33 lovers and callers - I have been calling
this great dance recently
and noticed that dancers of various experience levels in several venues have
had trouble with the transition in the B2 from the Ladies Do-si-do 1 1/2 to
the balance with the next neighbor that starts the dance. They have trouble
finding that next neighbor, even after several times through, and with
translating the momentum of crossing the set to that of up and down the line
of the first part of the dance. I tried substituting an allemande right 1
1/2 for the do-si-do 1 1/2 of the original with little effect. What about a
ladies allemande right about 1 1/2 to a next neighbor allemande left and
then starting the dance again with a balance by the right with that
neighbor? Other solutions? Have you or your dancers noticed the problem
that I have seen. As always, thanks for your thoughts.
Rickey Holt
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4:38 p.m.
Hey all,
I've seen it called w/ a ladies chain ending the B-2, which worked very
nicely. Seemed to eliminate the confusion. I think it all depends on the
crowd and walk through.
Paul
5:25 p.m.
There are thousands of contras. If one doesn't work, why not try
another one instead of altering that one?
Michael Barraclough
On Thu, 2013-06-20 at 13:16 -0700, Dave C wrote:
Instead of the Ladies Dosido 1.5 at the end to
progress, just have the Ladies AL 1 1/2 in the center, with RH ready for the next
neighbor. Some in the caller community have dubbed this version of the dance 3-33-34.
Dave Colestock
New Cumberland, PA
--- On Thu, 6/20/13, Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Tampering with a classis aagain 3-33-33
To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013, 2:10 PM
I've had pretty good luck with it, possibly because I have the women ID the next
neighbor early on. They know which face to look for. After that, they get a better feel
for the area to aim for to find the new neighbor. A couple of seriously disoriented
dancers can really play havoc with this dance though. It's brittle.
Kalia
On 6/20/2013 11:02 AM, Rickey Holt wrote:
3-33-33 lovers and callers - I have been calling
this great dance recently
and noticed that dancers of various experience levels in several venues have
had trouble with the transition in the B2 from the Ladies Do-si-do 1 1/2 to
the balance with the next neighbor that starts the dance. They have trouble
finding that next neighbor, even after several times through, and with
translating the momentum of crossing the set to that of up and down the line
of the first part of the dance. I tried substituting an allemande right 1
1/2 for the do-si-do 1 1/2 of the original with little effect. What about a
ladies allemande right about 1 1/2 to a next neighbor allemande left and
then starting the dance again with a balance by the right with that
neighbor? Other solutions? Have you or your dancers noticed the problem
that I have seen. As always, thanks for your thoughts.
Rickey Holt
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2:25 p.m.
1. Have the guys help it out by looking on the left diagonal during the
long lines for a new neighbor.
2. Replace the do-si-do with women allemande _left_.
3. Use an alternate B2 of ladies chain, star left.
-Chris Page
San Diego
On Thursday, June 20, 2013, Rickey Holt wrote:
3-33-33 lovers and callers - I have been calling this
great dance recently
and noticed that dancers of various experience levels in several venues
have
had trouble with the transition in the B2 from the Ladies Do-si-do 1 1/2 to
the balance with the next neighbor that starts the dance. They have
trouble
finding that next neighbor, even after several times through, and with
translating the momentum of crossing the set to that of up and down the
line
of the first part of the dance. I tried substituting an allemande right 1
1/2 for the do-si-do 1 1/2 of the original with little effect. What about
a
ladies allemande right about 1 1/2 to a next neighbor allemande left and
then starting the dance again with a balance by the right with that
neighbor? Other solutions? Have you or your dancers noticed the problem
that I have seen. As always, thanks for your thoughts.
Rickey Holt
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4:42 p.m.
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Rickey Holt <holt.e(a)comcast.net> wrote:
They have trouble
finding that next neighbor, even after several times through, and with
translating the momentum of crossing the set to that of up and down the line
of the first part of the dance.
You can remind them in the walk through that they will be pulling by
their next neighbor in the A part and it's worth remembering who it
is.
This is certainly a case where people can be thrown off if the new
neighbor couple is swapping roles during the dance.
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