On Aug 18, 2019, at 7:33 AM, Linda S. Mrosko via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
And 4 potatoes. Anybody got a good 4 potatoes
story?
I have one.
You may think that "4 potatoes" is an old traditional name for that little
sequence of fiddle shuffles sometime used to start off a tune. San Francisco Bay area
fiddler Jody Stecher claims that he and banjo player Pete Wernick invented it in the 1960s
as an experiment to see if they could get it to catch on (as we would now say, "go
viral"). See this thread in the MandolinCafe discussion forum:
https://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/threads/92314-Four-Potatoes-Professor
The same claim is also discussed in this thread on FiddleHangout:
https://www.fiddlehangout.com/archive/740
In each of these discussion threads someone suggests a possible connection to the
children's rhyme "One potato, two potato, three potato, four. ..."
However, such a connection seems unlikely to me, since (as I'm not the first to
notice) the rhythms of the children's rhyme and the fiddle shuffle are not the same.
Paul Kotapish, the original poster in the MandolinCafe thread wrote:
It has occurred to me, of course, that Jody might have
been pulling my leg, and that his story about inventing the expression might be the actual
bit of folklore.
The same thought occurred to me the first time I heard Jody's story. However, I
don't know of any documented use of the term "four potatoes" for an
introductory fiddle shuffle predating the claimed time frame of the 1960s. In fact, the
earliest example I found with the few searches I tried in Google's Advanced Book
Search is on page 173 of the 6th (1988) edition of the book _Dance A While_ by Jane
Harris, Ann Pottman, and Marlys Waller:
... The caller needs to agree with the musicians about the music
introduction, so that both the caller and the dancers can get
off to a good, crisp start. "Two or four potatoes" or a chord
are typical.
This is in the contra section, which was significantly updated from the 5th (1978) edition
of the book. In a cursory skim of the introduction to the contra section in the 1978
edition, I didn't notice the term "potatoes."
To be absolutely clear, Jody and Peter don't claim to have invented the introductory
shuffle itself (which I presume has long been used as a way for a fiddler to set the tempo
and help all the members of the band come in on the tune together). They only claim to
have coined and spread the name "four potatoes" to describe it.
If anyone can find a documented case of the term "potatoes" being used for a
fiddle shuffle before the 1960's, I'd like to know about it.
I recall Jody telling me that he and Pete (or maybe just Pete) tried to spread a couple
other neologisms around the same time that they came up with "four potatoes,"
but I don't remember what they were. I think he said that "potatoes" was
the only one that caught on.
--Jim