New subject: Dance with petronella right and left

15 Apr 2023

I have quite a different understanding of these terms than John Sweeney does.

“Hand cast” is not done with an arm around. That would be simply “cast off” in a New
England style contra, common in those wonderful classic contras we call the chestnuts.
Hand cast is distinguished from just a cast by the fact that you join hands rather than do
the arm around. It’s used, I’d say, when flow would be improved by a hand connection at
that moment. 

What distinguishes “hand cast” from “gate” is progression. The word cast implies that the
figure involves progression, typically the ones and twos exchanging positions. In Louise’s
dance There and Back the figure does not involve progression, and so I think calling it a
gate turn is clearer. But “gate” is borrowed vocabulary, imported into contra dance from
ECD like “poussette,” which is why it is not yet universally understood by readers of this
list. 

I would also argue that in almost any dance with this sort of move, the turn is far more
satisfying if the pivot point is the joined hand, rather than one person horsing the other
around. If twos remain in place during a hand cast the set would move down the hall; twos
are moving up just as much as ones are moving down.

David Smukler
Syracuse, NY

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 Subject: [Callers] Re: Dance with petronella right and left
 Date: April 14, 2023 at 7:01:27 PM EDT
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 Hi Amy,
               “Hand Cast”, “Gate”, “Wheel Around” (which I am surprised is not in
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/Glossary.htm),  and “Turn As A Couple”
are all fundamentally the same move.

               Two people stand side by side, facing the same way, and hold the nearest
hand. They rotate staying in line with each other.

               The only questions are where the pivot point is and how far you turn. 
Wheel Around and Turn As A Couple usually mean that the pivot point is the joined hands
and that you turn 180 degrees.  Hand Cast and Gate usually mean that the pivot point is
one of the dancers and the rotation can be 180, 270 or 360 degrees, depending on the
dance.

               Of course, nowadays most contra dancers told to Turn As A Couple will do a
California Twirl instead.

               And “Hand Cast” can be done with arms around each other’s waists, or by,
for example, #2s facing up and offering an elbow for the #1s to hook into so that they can
be whirled around the corner – more likely when the #1s are galloping up the set and need
help to redirect their momentum!

             Happy dancing,
                    John                       

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