3 Oct
2013
3 Oct
'13
10:05 a.m.
Came up against this question while writing a dance the other day: women
leading men into a star promenade and butterfly whirl? Does this happen?
Are there compelling reasons for me not write it into a dance, or would it
be a fun bit of genderswappery? (I imagine that as far as genderswappery
goes, it's still less confusing for all involved than a gent's chain...)
Cheers,
Maia
3 Oct
3 Oct
10:45 a.m.
Cary Ravitz has a few
Butterflies Cary Ravitz 4-2001
Improper contra
A1- Neighbors balance and swing (16).
A2- Men allemande left 1/2 (2).
- Men keep left hands, pick up your partner, star promenade across, and
butterfly whirl 1/2 to put the ladies in the middle (6).
- Ladies allemande right 1/2 (2).
- Ladies keep right hands, pick up your neighbor, star promenade across,
and butterfly whirl 1/2 (men go forward, ladies go backward) to put the men
in the middle (6).
B1- Men allemande left 1/2 (4).
- Partners swing (12).
B2- Circle left 3/4 and pass through up and down (8).
- New neighbors do-si-do (8).
Fractal Fling Cary Ravitz 4-1996
Becket
A1- Men allemande left 1+1/2 (8).
- Men keep left hands, pick up your neighbor, star promenade across, and
butterfly whirl until the ladies are in the middle (8).
A2- Ladies take right hands, keep your neighbor, star promenade across,
and butterfly whirl out (men go forward, ladies go backward) (8).
- Melt from the whirl into a swing (8).
B1- Right and left through across (8).
- On the right diagonal, only if there is someone there, ladies chain (8).
B2- Partners balance and swing (16).
It is important for the man's arm to be below the woman's arm in the star
promenade. This allows for a smooth melt from the whirl to a swing.
Tell the dancers to keep a close hold in the middle of the star promenades,
so that the outside people don't run into the next group.
Fractal Frolic Cary Ravitz 3-1996
Improper contra
A1- Neighbors balance and swing (16).
A2- Men allemande left 1+1/2 (8).
- Men keep left hands, pick up your partner, star promenade across, and
butterfly whirl until the ladies are in the middle (8).
B1- Ladies take right hands, keep your partner, star promenade across, and
butterfly whirl out (men go forward, ladies go backward) (8).
- Melt from the whirl into a swing (8).
B2- Right and left through across (8).
- Ladies chain across (8).
It is important for the man's arm to be below the woman's arm in the star
promenade. This allows for a smooth melt from the whirl to a swing.
Tell the dancers to keep a close hold in the middle of the star promenades,
so that the outside people don't run into the next group.
The sequence of figures in Fractal Fling is almost identical to that of
Fractal Frolic, but partner and neighbor roles are reversed. To change from
Fractal Fling to Fractal Frolic in a medley, change Fractal Frolic's first
A1 to ladies allemande right 1+1/2, neighbors swing. To change from Fractal
Frolic to Fractal Fling, change Fractal Frolic's last B2 to right and left
through across, long lines go forward and back and shift left one couple.
Whirl of Fortune Cary Ravitz 4-1999
Becket
A1- Partners roll away with a half sashay into a butterfly whirl hold (4).
- Butterfly whirl 3/4 (ladies go backward, men go forward) (3).
- Star promenade across (ladies in the middle) (4).
- Butterfly whirl 1+1/4 to face in (ladies go backward, men go forward) (5).
A2- Men pass right to start a 1/2 hey, ladies push off in the middle to
trade roles in the hey (8).
- Continue the hey, men push off in the middle to trade roles in the hey,
ladies finish an ordinary hey (8).
B1- Partners balance and swing (16).
B2- Circle left 3/4 (7).
- Pass through up and down (2).
- With a new couple, circle right 3/4 (7).
B2 here is taken from Gene Hubert's Reunion.
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Subject: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?
Came up against this question while writing a dance the other day: women
leading men into a star promenade and butterfly whirl? Does this happen?
Are there compelling reasons for me not write it into a dance, or would it
be a fun bit of genderswappery? (I imagine that as far as genderswappery
goes, it's still less confusing for all involved than a gent's chain...)
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Maia:
There are a number of dances which have the women leading the star
promenade. I have called almost all of them at one time or another. I
find that dancers enjoy the variety.
LInda
Whoa, Nellie! Erik Weberg
There is No Way to Peace, Peace is the Way Erik Hoffman
Sweet Music for Guys Becky Hill
Rosen the Beau Sue Rosen
Overbalanced Tom Calwell
Out of Nowhere Gene Hubert
On the Way to Peace Linda Leslie var. of Erik's Dance (above)
Not Quite Gothic Linda Leslie var. of Nathaniel Jack dance (below)
Molly Pitcher Melanie Axel-Lute
Mad Gypsy Becky Hill & Cal Hurd
Friends Forever Linda Leslie
Friends Forever #2 Linda Leslie
Fractal Frolic Cary Ravitz
Fractal Fling Cary Ravitz
Daddy's Reeling Rachel Nevitt
Close Friends Folk Process
Chased by Butterflies Jim Hemphill
Carol's Delight Tom Hinds
Butterflies in the Barn Chris Page
Butterflies Cary Ravitz
A Bevy of Butterflies Chris Page & Bob Isaacs
American Gothic Nathaniel Jack
On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Maia McCormick wrote:
Came up against this question while writing a dance
the other day:
women
leading men into a star promenade and butterfly whirl? Does this
happen?
Are there compelling reasons for me not write it into a dance, or
would it
be a fun bit of genderswappery? (I imagine that as far as
genderswappery
goes, it's still less confusing for all involved than a gent's
chain...)
Cheers,
Maia
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10:51 a.m.
I wouldn't say it was "gender swappery".
The oldest dance I can recall is the square dance Texas Star which has the "men turn
out and women turn in to make that Texas Star again". The Texas Star is a four
couple star Promenade.
There are several contemporary Contras that have ladies allemande to initiate a star
promenade, so you're in good company. Happy composing...
Donna Hunt
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Subject: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?
Came up against this question while writing a dance the other day: women
leading men into a star promenade and butterfly whirl? Does this happen?
Are there compelling reasons for me not write it into a dance, or would it
be a fun bit of genderswappery? (I imagine that as far as genderswappery
goes, it's still less confusing for all involved than a gent's chain...)
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2:52 p.m.
I'll just put this out there, because a ladies allemande to star promenade was called
just weeks ago in Atlanta: in a line of 20 couples, only two other ladies gave me the
right weight to satisfyingly whirl. All the gents and we three ladies really did not
enjoy the lameness of it. And no, it was not a line packed with newbies. I have had
similar issues before. Women often don't weight an allemande enough, let alone do
things like push off to twirl out. So if you write it into the dance, the only time it
will likely be well danced in my region is at festivals. I doubt my experience is
singular. A groan and much chatter arose from the floor as we realized what was about to
happen.
Andrea
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On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Donna Hunt
<dhuntdancer(a)aol.com> wrote:
I wouldn't say it was "gender swappery".
The oldest dance I can recall is the square dance Texas Star which has the "men turn
out and women turn in to make that Texas Star again". The Texas Star is a four
couple star Promenade.
There are several contemporary Contras that have ladies allemande to initiate a star
promenade, so you're in good company. Happy composing...
Donna Hunt
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Subject: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?
Came up against this question while writing a dance the other day: women
leading men into a star promenade and butterfly whirl? Does this happen?
Are there compelling reasons for me not write it into a dance, or would it
be a fun bit of genderswappery? (I imagine that as far as genderswappery
goes, it's still less confusing for all involved than a gent's chain...)
Cheers,
Maia
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3:48 p.m.
Not to hijack this completely, but dancing a man's role in a
men-allemande star promenade is also often really unsatisfying.
Something like 20% of the men I run into line (in the SF Bay Area) just
let go of me as soon as they've picked up their partner; 70% hold on
but stop giving weight either immediately or before the promenade part
is omplete, and it's no more than 10% who give me a satisfying
connection all through the promenade and a positive push off at the
right time.
(And in star promenades with the neighbor lady, I find that about half
of them step ahead. Good star promenade, according to me, is like this
}
{
and what happens half the time is more like this
Z
I find them pretty frustrating to do most of the time, and wonderful
when they work.)
-- Alan
On 10/3/2013 11:52 AM, Andrea Nettleton wrote:
I'll just put this out there, because a ladies
allemande to star promenade was called just weeks ago in Atlanta: in a line of 20 couples,
only two other ladies gave me the right weight to satisfyingly whirl. All the gents and
we three ladies really did not enjoy the lameness of it. And no, it was not a line packed
with newbies. I have had similar issues before. Women often don't weight an
allemande enough, let alone do things like push off to twirl out. So if you write it into
the dance, the only time it will likely be well danced in my region is at festivals. I
doubt my experience is singular. A groan and much chatter arose from the floor as we
realized what was about to happen.
Andrea
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On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Donna Hunt
<dhuntdancer(a)aol.com> wrote:
I wouldn't say it was "gender swappery".
The oldest dance I can recall is the square dance Texas Star which has the "men turn
out and women turn in to make that Texas Star again". The Texas Star is a four
couple star Promenade.
There are several contemporary Contras that have ladies allemande to initiate a star
promenade, so you're in good company. Happy composing...
Donna Hunt
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Subject: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?
Came up against this question while writing a dance the other day: women
leading men into a star promenade and butterfly whirl? Does this happen?
Are there compelling reasons for me not write it into a dance, or would it
be a fun bit of genderswappery? (I imagine that as far as genderswappery
goes, it's still less confusing for all involved than a gent's chain...)
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3:57 p.m.
Alan, I just had a moment of revelation with regard to the inside pair
pushing off each other into the butterfly whirl, and I'll see if I can pull
it off in the future. I think the main problem, though, is that there's
never enough room in the line for proper execution. As an allemanding
gent, my primary concern is usually to not slam my partner/neighbor into
the other pair coming at us diagonally from the next hands four.
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Alan Winston <winston(a)slac.stanford.edu>wrote;wrote:
Not to hijack this completely, but dancing a man's
role in a men-allemande
star promenade is also often really unsatisfying. Something like 20% of
the men I run into line (in the SF Bay Area) just let go of me as soon as
they've picked up their partner; 70% hold on but stop giving weight either
immediately or before the promenade part is omplete, and it's no more than
10% who give me a satisfying connection all through the promenade and a
positive push off at the right time.
(And in star promenades with the neighbor lady, I find that about half of
them step ahead. Good star promenade, according to me, is like this
}
{
and what happens half the time is more like this
Z
I find them pretty frustrating to do most of the time, and wonderful when
they work.)
-- Alan
On 10/3/2013 11:52 AM, Andrea Nettleton wrote:
I'll just put this out there, because a
ladies allemande to star
promenade was called just weeks ago in Atlanta: in a line of 20 couples,
only two other ladies gave me the right weight to satisfyingly whirl. All
the gents and we three ladies really did not enjoy the lameness of it. And
no, it was not a line packed with newbies. I have had similar issues
before. Women often don't weight an allemande enough, let alone do things
like push off to twirl out. So if you write it into the dance, the only
time it will likely be well danced in my region is at festivals. I doubt
my experience is singular. A groan and much chatter arose from the floor
as we realized what was about to happen.
Andrea
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I wouldn't say it was "gender swappery".
The oldest dance I can recall is the square dance Texas Star which has
the "men turn out and women turn in to make that Texas Star again". The
Texas Star is a four couple star Promenade.
There are several contemporary Contras that have ladies allemande to
initiate a star promenade, so you're in good company. Happy composing...
Donna Hunt
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Subject: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?
Came up against this question while writing a dance the other day: women
leading men into a star promenade and butterfly whirl? Does this happen?
Are there compelling reasons for me not write it into a dance, or would
it
be a fun bit of genderswappery? (I imagine that as far as genderswappery
goes, it's still less confusing for all involved than a gent's chain...)
Cheers,
Maia
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On Thu, Oct 03, 2013, Aaron Redfern wrote:
Alan, I just had a moment of revelation with regard to the inside
pair pushing off each other into the butterfly whirl, and I'll see if
I can pull it off in the future. I think the main problem, though,
is that there's never enough room in the line for proper execution.
As an allemanding gent, my primary concern is usually to not slam my
partner/neighbor into the other pair coming at us diagonally from the
next hands four.
Good point, plus I find that I'm mostly worrying about getting to and
doing the whirlaround fast enough to get my partner to the next move.
(Doesn't help when my partner makes me drag zir into the star promenade
instead of stepping forward.)
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4:27 p.m.
Carol Ormand call There Is No Way To Peace, Peace Is The Way with elbow turns. You
can't push off, but the connection does help you sling your could around and keeps
things tight. What if we always called Star Promenades like that?
Andrea
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On Oct 3, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Aaron Redfern
<aaron.redfern(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Alan, I just had a moment of revelation with regard to the inside pair
pushing off each other into the butterfly whirl, and I'll see if I can pull
it off in the future. I think the main problem, though, is that there's
never enough room in the line for proper execution. As an allemanding
gent, my primary concern is usually to not slam my partner/neighbor into
the other pair coming at us diagonally from the next hands four.
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Alan Winston <winston(a)slac.stanford.edu>wrote;wrote:
Not to hijack this completely, but dancing a
man's role in a men-allemande
star promenade is also often really unsatisfying. Something like 20% of
the men I run into line (in the SF Bay Area) just let go of me as soon as
they've picked up their partner; 70% hold on but stop giving weight either
immediately or before the promenade part is omplete, and it's no more than
10% who give me a satisfying connection all through the promenade and a
positive push off at the right time.
(And in star promenades with the neighbor lady, I find that about half of
them step ahead. Good star promenade, according to me, is like this
}
{
and what happens half the time is more like this
Z
I find them pretty frustrating to do most of the time, and wonderful when
they work.)
-- Alan
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http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers On 10/3/2013 11:52 AM, Andrea Nettleton wrote:
I'll just put this out there, because a ladies allemande to star
promenade was called just weeks ago in Atlanta: in a line of 20 couples,
only two other ladies gave me the right weight to satisfyingly whirl. All
the gents and we three ladies really did not enjoy the lameness of it. And
no, it was not a line packed with newbies. I have had similar issues
before. Women often don't weight an allemande enough, let alone do things
like push off to twirl out. So if you write it into the dance, the only
time it will likely be well danced in my region is at festivals. I doubt
my experience is singular. A groan and much chatter arose from the floor
as we realized what was about to happen.
Andrea
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On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Donna Hunt
<dhuntdancer(a)aol.com> wrote:
I wouldn't say it was "gender swappery".
The oldest dance I can recall is the square dance Texas Star which has
the "men turn out and women turn in to make that Texas Star again". The
Texas Star is a four couple star Promenade.
There are several contemporary Contras that have ladies allemande to
initiate a star promenade, so you're in good company. Happy composing...
Donna Hunt
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Subject: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?
Came up against this question while writing a dance the other day: women
leading men into a star promenade and butterfly whirl? Does this happen?
Are there compelling reasons for me not write it into a dance, or would
it
be a fun bit of genderswappery? (I imagine that as far as genderswappery
goes, it's still less confusing for all involved than a gent's chain...)
Cheers,
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4:32 p.m.
I believe that elbow turns were the original version for that particular
dance -- at least they were in the version I collected something like 10
years ago. The last time I called it I suggested forearm to forearm
turns, which keep things a bit tighter, make for a somewhat more solid
"frame" for the star promenade and still allow the push off (that's also
what I generally offer to the next gent when I'm dancing it. Much more
satisfying connection for me and it seems to do a better job of keeping
the whole thing turning as a unit.
On 10/3/2013 4:27 PM, Andrea Nettleton wrote:
Carol Ormand call There Is No Way To Peace, Peace Is
The Way with elbow turns. You can't push off, but the connection does help you sling
your could around and keeps things tight. What if we always called Star Promenades like
that?
Andrea
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On Oct 3, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Aaron Redfern
<aaron.redfern(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Alan, I just had a moment of revelation with regard to the inside pair
pushing off each other into the butterfly whirl, and I'll see if I can pull
it off in the future. I think the main problem, though, is that there's
never enough room in the line for proper execution. As an allemanding
gent, my primary concern is usually to not slam my partner/neighbor into
the other pair coming at us diagonally from the next hands four.
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Alan Winston <winston(a)slac.stanford.edu>wrote;wrote:
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Not to hijack this completely, but dancing a
man's role in a men-allemande
star promenade is also often really unsatisfying. Something like 20% of
the men I run into line (in the SF Bay Area) just let go of me as soon as
they've picked up their partner; 70% hold on but stop giving weight either
immediately or before the promenade part is omplete, and it's no more than
10% who give me a satisfying connection all through the promenade and a
positive push off at the right time.
(And in star promenades with the neighbor lady, I find that about half of
them step ahead. Good star promenade, according to me, is like this
}
{
and what happens half the time is more like this
Z
I find them pretty frustrating to do most of the time, and wonderful when
they work.)
-- Alan
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http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers On 10/3/2013 11:52 AM, Andrea Nettleton wrote:
I'll just put this out there, because a ladies allemande to star
promenade was called just weeks ago in Atlanta: in a line of 20 couples,
only two other ladies gave me the right weight to satisfyingly whirl. All
the gents and we three ladies really did not enjoy the lameness of it. And
no, it was not a line packed with newbies. I have had similar issues
before. Women often don't weight an allemande enough, let alone do things
like push off to twirl out. So if you write it into the dance, the only
time it will likely be well danced in my region is at festivals. I doubt
my experience is singular. A groan and much chatter arose from the floor
as we realized what was about to happen.
Andrea
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> On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Donna Hunt <dhuntdancer(a)aol.com> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't say it was "gender swappery".
> The oldest dance I can recall is the square dance Texas Star which has
> the "men turn out and women turn in to make that Texas Star again". The
> Texas Star is a four couple star Promenade.
>
> There are several contemporary Contras that have ladies allemande to
> initiate a star promenade, so you're in good company. Happy composing...
>
>
>
> Donna Hunt
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> Came up against this question while writing a dance the other day: women
> leading men into a star promenade and butterfly whirl? Does this happen?
> Are there compelling reasons for me not write it into a dance, or would
> it
> be a fun bit of genderswappery? (I imagine that as far as genderswappery
> goes, it's still less confusing for all involved than a gent's chain...)
>
> Cheers,
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On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Jack Mitchell <jamitch3(a)mindspring.com>wrote;wrote:
I believe that elbow turns were the original version
for that particular
dance -- at least they were in the version I collected something like 10
years ago.
The Folk process at work....
The elbow turns are in the version on Erik's website:
http://www.erikhoffman.com/peace.html
I've been calling that dance since at least 2000 or so, and my copy (taken
from Erik's "Contra Comments" book, if I remember correctly), has hand
allemandes instead. I certainly danced it to Erik's calling in 1997-1999,
and I don't recall the elbow turns back then, but it's certainly possible
that it did, and I just transcribed the dance incorrectly.
In any event, I've always had great success with it using hand allenmandes.
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8:39 p.m.
Hi All,
There Is No Way to Peace; Peace Is the Way, was originally written as
hand hold star promenades. I think Chart Guthrie told me about using
elbow turns, and it's been that way for me ever since. Might have been
someone else... It does make the star promenades a bit tighter and the
sharing of weight more likely. So, yes, Folk Process indeed!
And, I do share the opinion that good weight on a star promenade is
often not achieved...
~erik hoffman
oakland, ca
On 10/3/2013 1:51 PM, Grant Goodyear wrote:
On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Jack Mitchell
<jamitch3(a)mindspring.com>wrote;wrote:
I believe that elbow turns were the original
version for that particular
dance -- at least they were in the version I collected something like 10
years ago.
The Folk process at work....
The elbow turns are in the version on Erik's website:
http://www.erikhoffman.com/peace.html
I've been calling that dance since at least 2000 or so, and my copy (taken
from Erik's "Contra Comments" book, if I remember correctly), has hand
allemandes instead. I certainly danced it to Erik's calling in 1997-1999,
and I don't recall the elbow turns back then, but it's certainly possible
that it did, and I just transcribed the dance incorrectly.
In any event, I've always had great success with it using hand allenmandes.
10:58 p.m.
At 12:48 PM -0700 10/3/13, Alan Winston wrote:
Not to hijack this completely, but dancing a man's
role in a
men-allemande star promenade is also often really unsatisfying.
Something like 20% of the men I run into line (in the SF Bay Area)
just let go of me as soon as they've picked up their partner; 70%
hold on but stop giving weight either immediately or before the
promenade part is omplete, and it's no more than 10% who give me a
satisfying connection all through the promenade and a positive push
off at the right time.
(And in star promenades with the neighbor lady, I find that about
half of them step ahead. Good star promenade, according to me, is
like this
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and what happens half the time is more like this
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I find them pretty frustrating to do most of the time, and wonderful
when they work.)
-- Alan
Two important points I was taught long ago (~1982) by Sandy Bradley:
- star promenade is an ARC, not "straight across". The outside person
MUST walk the outside of a circle, and not just head straight across.
- the outside person needs to match timing and velocity exactly as the
allemander comes to pick them up. The image was docking with the Space
Station. Don't be early, and don't be late. Be moving exactly at the
right speed exactly as the rotating station comes around so you can
dock.
And then walk in an arc!
I sometimes say that if the outside person starts out early so that the
allemander is empty-armed, it's like taking a shower with your socks on.
You might accomplish your goal OK, but it's completely unsatisfying.
-Eric
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