Re: [Callers] Zia Formation

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Jerome Grisanti

28 Jul 2008 28 Jul '08

4:24 p.m.

Jack, I can picture three squares created by one longways contra line crossed by three "east-west" contra lines, with squares at each intersection. I can picture four squares composed of either two longways and two "east-west" contra lines, or one longways and four "east-west" contra lines. I'm presuming the "two-by-two" arrangement would create the "closed box," i.e. four squares without contra lines between (but contra lines on the outside). This is only my conjecture, however, and I await an expert opinion. --Jerome Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:58:42 -0400

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From: Jack Mitchell <jamitch3(a)mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [Callers] Zia Formation To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net> Message-ID: <E1KNSJp-00070I-DE(a)elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This looks really interesting....but I'm having some trouble picturing how the multiple square arrangements would work. 2 Squares I can picture, but I'm a little unsure about how three squares would be laid out and even less sure what the difference between "Four Squares" and "Four Squares -- closed box" is. Anyone care to step up with some clarification? Jack

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Tepfer, Seth

28 Jul 28 Jul

5:01 p.m.

New subject: Zia Formation

I do not know if there are any 'experts' on the zia formation. When I've done more than 1 intersection I've tried to have a few hands four/minor sets between each square/intersection. The most I've done is with 9 squares (at SnowBall, Tampa FL) in a tic-tac-toe formation. But, as has probably been noted, Zia's are incredible space hogs. And due to the choreography quirks of the formation, they seem to have the swings in the middle of the set, which takes up even more space. Every time I've done it, people get crowded. Seth Tepfer 770-784-8487 seth.tepfer(a)emory.edu Director of Administrative Computing, Oxford College Proud Pappa (again): Zyle Caspian, born Thursday, April 17, 2:38 pm. 8 lbs, 19.5 inches. Baby Pix at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25804137@N08/

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-----Original Message----- From: callers-bounces(a)sharedweight.net [mailto:callers- bounces(a)sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Jerome Grisanti Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:25 PM To: callers(a)sharedweight.net Subject: Re: [Callers] Zia Formation Jack, I can picture three squares created by one longways contra line crossed by three "east-west" contra lines, with squares at each intersection. I can picture four squares composed of either two longways and two "east-west" contra lines, or one longways and four "east-west" contra lines. I'm presuming the "two-by-two" arrangement would create the "closed box," i.e. four squares without contra lines between (but contra lines on the outside). This is only my conjecture, however, and I await an expert opinion. --Jerome Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:58:42 -0400

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Richard Hart

5:21 p.m.

New subject: Zia Formation

I'm not familiar with the name "Zia", bit I remember doing a dance at NEFFA that was essentially four contra lines at right angles to each other, with a square formed by the first couples at the point where the lines joined. The other couples in the contras lines could be considered additional concentric squares, but they seemed to operate more like contra lines, with interesting things happening at the point where they joined. Am I confusing two different formations? Rich. Tepfer, Seth remarked on 7/28/2008 1:01 PM:

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Tepfer, Seth

6:09 p.m.

New subject: Zia Formation

That's it. Formally known as the "Weston Mountain Zia formation". Where the lines connect/intersect every other time through the dance you have a square when the dancers are 'out' at the 'top'. Most Zia's I've seen have the choreographic challenge/limitation that the moves/calls for the square have to be effectively the same as in the contra (which is why the swing tends to be in the middle). Seth Tepfer 770-784-8487 seth.tepfer(a)emory.edu Director of Administrative Computing, Oxford College Proud Pappa (again): Zyle Caspian, born Thursday, April 17, 2:38 pm. 8 lbs, 19.5 inches. Baby Pix at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25804137@N08/

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-----Original Message----- From: callers-bounces(a)sharedweight.net [mailto:callers- bounces(a)sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Richard Hart Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:21 PM To: Caller's discussion list Subject: Re: [Callers] Zia Formation I'm not familiar with the name "Zia", bit I remember doing a dance at NEFFA that was essentially four contra lines at right angles to each other, with a square formed by the first couples at the point where the lines joined. The other couples in the contras lines could be considered additional concentric squares, but they seemed to operate more like contra lines, with interesting things happening at the point where they joined. Am I confusing two different formations? Rich. Tepfer, Seth remarked on 7/28/2008 1:01 PM:

I do not know if there are any 'experts' on the zia formation. When I've done more than 1 intersection I've tried to have a few

hands four/minor sets between each square/intersection.

The most I've done is with 9 squares (at SnowBall, Tampa FL) in a

tic-tac-toe formation. But, as has probably been noted, Zia's are incredible space hogs. And due to the choreography quirks of the formation, they seem to have the swings in the middle of the set, which takes up even more space. Every time I've done it, people get crowded.

Seth Tepfer 770-784-8487 seth.tepfer(a)emory.edu Director of Administrative Computing, Oxford College Proud Pappa (again): Zyle Caspian, born Thursday, April 17, 2:38 pm.

8 lbs, 19.5 inches. Baby Pix at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25804137@N08/

> -----Original Message----- > From: callers-bounces(a)sharedweight.net [mailto:callers- > bounces(a)sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Jerome Grisanti > Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 12:25 PM > To: callers(a)sharedweight.net > Subject: Re: [Callers] Zia Formation > > Jack, > > I can picture three squares created by one longways contra line

crossed

> by > three "east-west" contra lines, with squares at each intersection. > > I can picture four squares composed of either two longways and two > "east-west" contra lines, or one longways and four "east-west"

contra

> lines. > > > I'm presuming the "two-by-two" arrangement would create the "closed > box," > i.e. four squares without contra lines between (but contra lines on

the

> outside). > > This is only my conjecture, however, and I await an expert opinion. > > --Jerome > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:58:42 -0400 > >> From: Jack Mitchell <jamitch3(a)mindspring.com> >> Subject: Re: [Callers] Zia Formation >> To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net> >> Message-ID: <E1KNSJp-00070I-DE(a)elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> This looks really interesting....but I'm having some trouble >> picturing how the multiple square arrangements would work. 2

Squares

>> I can picture, but I'm a little unsure about how three squares

would

>> be laid out and even less sure what the difference between "Four >> Squares" and "Four Squares -- closed box" is. Anyone care to step

with some clarification? Jack

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