17 May
2018
17 May
'18
2:09 p.m.
What would you call a circulate like this? Would it be a partial
circulate? Or, in the interest of not adding any more terminology, since
only half of the people are going to end up in a wave after each one, would
it be better to just say "ladies take 4 steps forward to a long wave of
ladies, gents face in", etc?
*A1* Balance Wave
Circulate (Gents Loop, ladies take 4 steps forward) to a long wave
of ladies
Balance Wave of Ladies
Circulate (ladies walk forward and face in, gents take 4 steps
forward) to a long wave of gents
*A2* Balance Wave of Gents
Gents step forward – N Sw
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Jack Mitchell
Durham, NC
18 May
18 May
10:27 a.m.
On Thu, May 17, 2018, Jack Mitchell via Callers wrote:
What would you call a circulate like this? Would it be a partial
circulate? Or, in the interest of not adding any more terminology, since
only half of the people are going to end up in a wave after each one, would
it be better to just say "ladies take 4 steps forward to a long wave of
ladies, gents face in", etc?
*A1* Balance Wave
Circulate (Gents Loop, ladies take 4 steps forward) to a long wave
of ladies
Balance Wave of Ladies
Circulate (ladies walk forward and face in, gents take 4 steps
forward) to a long wave of gents
*A2* Balance Wave of Gents
Gents step forward ??? N Sw
Not picturing the starting formation, so it's a bit difficult for me to
figure out what you want, but it's certainly the case that MWSD (Modern
Western Square Dancing) allows partial circulates (e.g. "Box Circulate
1 1/2" -- which typically produces exactly the formation you're
describing). If your starting formation is long waves BGBG up/down the
hall, thinking of each group of four as a box gives you the typical MWSD
starting formation for "Box Circulate 1 1/2".
I also note that MWSD has no direct equivalent to your circulate from the
wave of ladies ("promenade" could be used because it requires a face in
afterward, but it's a rarely-used gimmick) -- I would normally use two
calls to achieve the effect you want ("diamond circulate and ladies face
in").
Dunno how best to describe this using contra terminology.
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12:13 p.m.
I’m not sure “circulate” is a common enough move in contra that you have to worry about
using the call differently, though it is becoming more common. And correspondingly, I’d
say “partial circulate” will hardly be helpful at all. I think you could say “circulate to
a wave” the first couple of times, and then “circulate t’wave” as needed. (Teach it, of
course, with more words than that, and tell them you’re going to call it “circulate to a
wave.” Maybe point out during teaching that if you’re facing in you go to the wave, if
you’re facing out you turn and stay on the outside—that way you don’t have to call
“circulate to a ladies’ wave”/“circulate to a gents’ wave.")
Read Weaver
Jamaica Plain, MA
http://lcfd.org
On May 17, 2018, at 2:09 PM, Jack Mitchell via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
What would you call a circulate like this? Would it be a partial circulate? Or, in the
interest of not adding any more terminology, since only half of the people are going to
end up in a wave after each one, would it be better to just say "ladies take 4 steps
forward to a long wave of ladies, gents face in", etc?
A1 Balance Wave
Circulate (Gents Loop, ladies take 4 steps forward) to a long wave of ladies
Balance Wave of Ladies
Circulate (ladies walk forward and face in, gents take 4 steps forward) to a
long wave of gents
A2 Balance Wave of Gents
Gents step forward – N Sw
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Jack Mitchell
Durham, NC
2:10 p.m.
Hi Jack and all, A little off topic, but... Your dance made me remember a dance I wrote
back in 2002, "Do Make Waves". here's from my web site:
DO MAKE WAVES
A duple improper contra by Bill Olson
A1: Star R x 1 to long waves (Right Hand to N, L to previous N. Women are
facing in, Men out))(8), Bal Wave(4) (women reach forward to form a wave of women down the
center of set while men loop around to right, taking Neighbor's position, facing in),
Bal the wave (of Women)(4)*
A2: Women reach forward and form a long wave (Right Hand to Partner, L to
shadow, W face out) Bal Wave (4) and Swing Partner (12)
B1: Circle L 3/4 Sw N (16)
B2: Circl L (8), (with same Neighbors) Star L (8) (Look for new N in next Star)
Notes: *The 3 balances are all done consecutively, that is to say:
"balance,2,3,4,balance2,3,4,balance,2,3,4! Needless to say there is little time
between balances for the women to drop hands and pick up new ones, and it helps if the
balances are more "forward and back" rather than "right and left" so
there is some "forward propulsion" going on after each balance! In reality the
second and third balances are actually started (feet hit the floor) while the hand change
is being made. Here's why I wrote this dance. Every year at NEFFA (New England Folk
Festival in Natick, MA), callers are reminded that the dance floors are very crowded and
to pay attention NOT to call dances that require a lot of room between sets (since there
ISN'T any). I figured I would write a dance that REQUIRED that there be very little
room between sets, and this is IT!! My announcement to some Boston area callers of my
intention met with great skepticism, but I always DO like to make waves! and the dance
works!! Written April 15, 2002.
This dance has three wave balances, the first two are the same as yours I think, i.e.
Balance wave (Men out Women in etc) along the long lines, balance wave of women down the
center, BUT no time in between.. (the notes as to "why" heh heh) I called this
dance ONE TIME at NEFFA and it worked fine BUT comments after were mostly that it was VERY
zesty for the women..
I am assuming the first wave in A1 is along the long lines.. If so, 4 steps is a LOT of
steps to go a pretty short distance.. Maybe I am reading this wrong, in which case I offer
the dance as something similar and *different*.
You might note that when I wrote the dance I had no words "like circulate the
wave" in my vocabulary, so I probably just called it what it was, "gents loop,
women walk forward" or something like that.. Makes for nice "toung
twisters" when actually calling the dance!!
bill (in Black Fly infested Maine)
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Subject: [Callers] Partial circulate the wave?
What would you call a circulate like this? Would it be a partial circulate? Or, in the
interest of not adding any more terminology, since only half of the people are going to
end up in a wave after each one, would it be better to just say "ladies take 4 steps
forward to a long wave of ladies, gents face in", etc?
A1 Balance Wave
Circulate (Gents Loop, ladies take 4 steps forward) to a long wave of ladies
Balance Wave of Ladies
Circulate (ladies walk forward and face in, gents take 4 steps forward) to a long
wave of gents
A2 Balance Wave of Gents
Gents step forward – N Sw
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Jack Mitchell
Durham, NC
2:27 p.m.
I might say “short circulate”.
There are some other versions of circulates which are cool. Chris Page has some on
diagonals as in his dance “kitty corner”
And bob Isaacs had his 4x4 “circulate 8”. Not. Both very cool. I’d call your new version
if it were in a dance!
Sent from my iPhone
On May 18, 2018, at 2:10 PM, Bill Olson via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi Jack and all, A little off topic, but... Your dance made me remember a dance I wrote
back in 2002, "Do Make Waves". here's from my web site:
DO MAKE WAVES
A duple improper contra by Bill Olson
A1: Star R x 1 to long waves (Right Hand to N, L to previous N. Women are
facing in, Men out))(8), Bal Wave(4) (women reach forward to form a wave of women down the
center of set while men loop around to right, taking Neighbor's position, facing in),
Bal the wave (of Women)(4)*
A2: Women reach forward and form a long wave (Right Hand to Partner, L to
shadow, W face out) Bal Wave (4) and Swing Partner (12)
B1: Circle L 3/4 Sw N (16)
B2: Circl L (8), (with same Neighbors) Star L (8) (Look for new N in next
Star)
Notes: *The 3 balances are all done consecutively, that is to say:
"balance,2,3,4,balance2,3,4,balance,2,3,4! Needless to say there is little time
between balances for the women to drop hands and pick up new ones, and it helps if the
balances are more "forward and back" rather than "right and left" so
there is some "forward propulsion" going on after each balance! In reality the
second and third balances are actually started (feet hit the floor) while the hand change
is being made. Here's why I wrote this dance. Every year at NEFFA (New England Folk
Festival in Natick, MA), callers are reminded that the dance floors are very crowded and
to pay attention NOT to call dances that require a lot of room between sets (since there
ISN'T any). I figured I would write a dance that REQUIRED that there be very little
room between sets, and this is IT!! My announcement to some Boston area callers of my
intention met with great skepticism, but I always DO like to make waves! and the dance
works!! Written April 15, 2002.
This dance has three wave balances, the first two are the same as yours I think, i.e.
Balance wave (Men out Women in etc) along the long lines, balance wave of women down the
center, BUT no time in between.. (the notes as to "why" heh heh) I called this
dance ONE TIME at NEFFA and it worked fine BUT comments after were mostly that it was VERY
zesty for the women..
I am assuming the first wave in A1 is along the long lines.. If so, 4 steps is a LOT of
steps to go a pretty short distance.. Maybe I am reading this wrong, in which case I offer
the dance as something similar and *different*.
You might note that when I wrote the dance I had no words "like circulate the
wave" in my vocabulary, so I probably just called it what it was, "gents loop,
women walk forward" or something like that.. Makes for nice "toung
twisters" when actually calling the dance!!
bill (in Black Fly infested Maine)
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Subject: [Callers] Partial circulate the wave?
What would you call a circulate like this? Would it be a partial circulate? Or, in the
interest of not adding any more terminology, since only half of the people are going to
end up in a wave after each one, would it be better to just say "ladies take 4 steps
forward to a long wave of ladies, gents face in", etc?
A1 Balance Wave
Circulate (Gents Loop, ladies take 4 steps forward) to a long wave of ladies
Balance Wave of Ladies
Circulate (ladies walk forward and face in, gents take 4 steps forward) to a
long wave of gents
A2 Balance Wave of Gents
Gents step forward – N Sw
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Jack Mitchell
Durham, NC
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2:57 p.m.
I really like your description of "women reach forward to form a wave of
women". If you state what hand you're taking with the person in your H4
(as you do here) that makes it even clearer (and means that if someone
doesn't actually do the loop to take their neighbor or partner's place,
it'll still work.
The dance is not one of mine. It's actually a Dean Snipes dance. I'm
finishing up editing the collection of his dances that I'm trying to put
together. Here's the rest of the dance for those that might be interested.
Oh Yea! – Dean Snipes Improper
Start in long waves, gents face out ladies face in
A1 Balance Wave
½ Circulate (Gents Loop, ladies reach forward RH to N Lady) to a long wave
of ladies
Balance Wave of Ladies
½ Circulate (ladies forward and face in, gents reach forward RH to N Gent)
to a long wave of gents
A2 Balance Wave of Gents
Gents step forward – N Sw
B1 Gents Alle L 1½
P Sw
B2 Take hands in a Ring – Balance Ring, petronella twirl to the right
N Alle L 1½ to a long wave – gents face out, ladies face in
On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 2:10 PM Bill Olson <callbill(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jack and all, A little off topic, but... Your dance
made me remember a
dance I wrote back in 2002, "Do Make Waves". here's from my web site:
*DO MAKE WAVES*
* A duple improper contra by Bill Olson *
* A1: Star R x 1 to long waves (Right Hand to N, L to previous
N. Women are facing in, Men out))(8), Bal Wave(4) (women reach forward to
form a wave of women down the center of set while men loop around to right,
taking Neighbor's position, facing in), Bal the wave (of Women)(4)* *
* A2: Women reach forward and form a long wave (Right Hand to
Partner, L to shadow, W face out) Bal Wave (4) and Swing Partner (12) *
* B1: Circle L 3/4 Sw N (16) *
* B2: Circl L (8), (with same Neighbors) Star L (8) (Look for new
N in next Star) *
*Notes: *The 3 balances are all done consecutively, that is to say:
"balance,2,3,4,balance2,3,4,balance,2,3,4! Needless to say there is little
time between balances for the women to drop hands and pick up new ones, and
it helps if the balances are more "forward and back" rather than "right
and
left" so there is some "forward propulsion" going on after each balance!
In
reality the second and third balances are actually started (feet hit the
floor) while the hand change is being made. Here's why I wrote this dance.
Every year at NEFFA (New England Folk Festival in Natick, MA), callers are
reminded that the dance floors are very crowded and to pay attention NOT to
call dances that require a lot of room between sets (since there ISN'T
any). I figured I would write a dance that REQUIRED that there be very
little room between sets, and this is IT!! My announcement to some Boston
area callers of my intention met with great skepticism, but I always DO
like to make waves! and the dance works!! Written April 15, 2002.*
This dance has three wave balances, the first two are the same as yours I
think, i.e. Balance wave (Men out Women in etc) along the long lines,
balance wave of women down the center, BUT no time in between.. (the notes
as to "why" heh heh) I called this dance ONE TIME at NEFFA and it worked
fine BUT comments after were mostly that it was VERY zesty for the women..
I am assuming the first wave in A1 is along the long lines.. If so, 4
steps is a LOT of steps to go a pretty short distance.. Maybe I am reading
this wrong, in which case I offer the dance as something similar and
*different*.
You might note that when I wrote the dance I had no words "like circulate
the wave" in my vocabulary, so I probably just called it what it was,
"gents loop, women walk forward" or something like that.. Makes for nice
"toung twisters" when actually calling the dance!!
bill (in Black Fly infested Maine)
*From:* Callers <callers-bounces(a)lists.sharedweight.net> on behalf of
Jack Mitchell via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 6:09 PM
*To:* Callers List
*Subject:* [Callers] Partial circulate the wave?
What would you call a circulate like this? Would it be a partial
circulate? Or, in the interest of not adding any more terminology, since
only half of the people are going to end up in a wave after each one, would
it be better to just say "ladies take 4 steps forward to a long wave of
ladies, gents face in", etc?
*A1* Balance Wave
Circulate (Gents Loop, ladies take 4 steps forward) to a long
wave of ladies
Balance Wave of Ladies
Circulate (ladies walk forward and face in, gents take 4 steps
forward) to a long wave of gents
*A2* Balance Wave of Gents
Gents step forward – N Sw
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Jack Mitchell
Durham, NC
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