I’m think you both make good points — to that end I did whip up a script that will take
json from the callers box website and output a markdown file in my template, I can share
if there’s interest.
I think to me the difference between transcribing and understanding is the boilerplate —
that is, I don’t want to rewrite my template, but I would rewrite the directions to, say,
omit slurs and go from more of a positional point of view. But what’s not useful to me is
rewriting my markdown table.
Sent from my mobile device, please excuse my brevity.
~James Slaughter
On Jan 12, 2025, at 4:02 PM, Erik Hoffman via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
From Louise Siddons:
Also, specifically in terms of programming (which someone mentioned), there are aspects of
calling where experience is a key element of the learning process. Shortcuts will be
detrimental to the caller’s experience even if the dancers don’t notice.
From me:
This is much like late Larry Jennings’ decision to transcribe dances in his book, Zesty
Contras and Give-and-Take with abbreviations and in a form that was not common in the
time. His thinking was people using his books would have to think about the dance they
were planning to call had to think about the dance as they re-transcribed it. I recall the
challenge of putting dances down on a card (remember those?) (and I know people still use
cards…) from Zesty Contras and doing just what Larry intended: thinking a dance through as
I put it down in my re-abbreviated cards.
Cheers,
~Erik Hoffman
Oakland CA
From: Louise Siddons via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2025 12:35 PM
To: Shared Weight Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Subject: [Callers] Re: Unifying contra dance formats with AI
AI is resource-intensive and an environmental disaster. Using it for trivial purposes
feels worse than pointless to me.
Also, specifically in terms of programming (which someone mentioned), there are aspects of
calling where experience is a key element of the learning process. Shortcuts will be
detrimental to the caller’s experience even if the dancers don’t notice.
In the spirit of slow food, might we not consider ‘slow folk dance’ as taking a positive,
sustainable position in relation to the climate crisis? There is no actual need to make
anything related to contra dancing more efficient.
(I’m reminded of the joke that dancing is a very complicated way of going nowhere. Surely
in some sense we embody the idea that the journey is the destination?)
Louise.
(Winchester, UK)
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