26 Mar
2011
26 Mar
'11
6:10 p.m.
To add to the history that Bree offered, the last time Honor Among Thieves was
posted on this most excellent list (by John McIntire), Alan Winston took it
further back yet. So the whole story, as I can put it together from what
everyone has said, is as follows:
Alan said that the 'chase' figure was originally found in Playford’s 1701 ed,
Cheshire Rounds, a longways duple minor formation like contra. It then migrated
across the sea to become incorporated into Appalachian dancing. Ted Sanella
encountered the move in these old-time southern Appalachian square dances, and
in the mode of artists everywhere, nabbed it to incorporate into modern American
contra - the first to do so with this particular move. Then in 1986, Penn Fix
took Ted's dance and added a P-Sw for all, to appeal to modern contra tastes.
What an interesting dance biography! Thanks to all of you scholars.
Tina
26 Mar
26 Mar
6:55 p.m.
New subject: name of a dance - Honor among thieves
Tina wrote:
To add to the history that Bree offered, the last time
Honor Among Thieves was
posted on this most excellent list (by John McIntire), Alan Winston took it
further back yet. So the whole story, as I can put it together from what
everyone has said, is as follows:
Alan said that the 'chase' figure was
originally found in Playford’s 1701 ed,
Cheshire Rounds, a longways duple minor formation like contra. It then migrated
across the sea to become incorporated into Appalachian dancing. Ted Sanella
encountered the move in these old-time southern Appalachian square dances, and
in the mode of artists everywhere, nabbed it to incorporate into modern American
contra - the first to do so with this particular move. Then in 1986, Penn Fix
took Ted's dance and added a P-Sw for all, to appeal to modern contra tastes.
It also occurs to me that a variation of the figure is the core of the Scottish
dance "Flowers of Edinburgh". (It's in a triple-minor set, so the lady
casts
off past two couples and the gent cuts through after two, but it's otherwise
the same figure, done with skip-change step in eight bars instead. FoE was
published in the 1790s, I think.)
-- Alan
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27 Mar
27 Mar
4:57 a.m.
New subject: name of a dance - Honor among thieves
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:55:54 -0700 (PDT), Alan Winston - SSRL Central
Computing wrote:
It also occurs to me that a variation of the figure is the core of
the Scottish dance "Flowers of Edinburgh". (It's in a triple-minor
set, so the lady casts off past two couples and the gent cuts
through after two, but it's otherwise the same figure, done with
skip-change step in eight bars instead.
And exactly the same figure (duple minor) is the core of the English
Dance "Corn Rigs" (not to be confused with the Scottish dance of the
same name) in the Community Dances Manual.
Colin Hume
Email colin(a)colinhume.com Web site http://www.colinhume.com
31 Mar
31 Mar
2:11 p.m.
New subject: name of a dance - Honor among thieves
On 26/Mar/11 15:55, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:
It also occurs to me that a variation of the figure is
the core of the Scottish
dance "Flowers of Edinburgh". (It's in a triple-minor set, so the lady
casts
off past two couples and the gent cuts through after two, but it's otherwise
the same figure, done with skip-change step in eight bars instead. FoE was
published in the 1790s, I think.)
-- Alan
Collins Pocket SCD reports for FoE, "Source: collected locally.
Published in 'The Ballroom' 1827."
RSCDS Index to SCDances, and a local VISCDS "core-dance" book for
1997-2000, say it's from RSCDS Book 1, No. 6.
I don't have Book 1 (pub. 1924 I believe), however that local booklet
repeats Collins for year of publication.
A mildly cute, mildly useful rendition of it here (for geeks or the
easily amused) http://countrydance.sourceforge.net/
Cheers, John
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Victoria, BC
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30 Mar
30 Mar
10:16 a.m.
New subject: name of a dance - Honor among thieves
SW:
Worth a mention in this thread is the following, in case you prefer a neighbor swing:
Over the Hill and Still Chased Improper / Roger Diggle
A1. Long lines, neighbor allemande R 1 1/2
A2. 1's chase
B1. Circle L 3/4, partner swing
B2. Circle L 3/4, neighbor swing
I have the title as above, but sometimes "Chaste" is more appropriate. :)
Bob
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:10:22 -0700
From: tfields8(a)yahoo.com
To: callers(a)sharedweight.net
Subject: Re: [Callers] name of a dance - Honor among thieves
To add to the history that Bree offered, the last time Honor Among Thieves was
posted on this most excellent list (by John McIntire), Alan Winston took it
further back yet. So the whole story, as I can put it together from what
everyone has said, is as follows:
Alan said that the 'chase' figure was originally found in Playford’s 1701 ed,
Cheshire Rounds, a longways duple minor formation like contra. It then migrated
across the sea to become incorporated into Appalachian dancing. Ted Sanella
encountered the move in these old-time southern Appalachian square dances, and
in the mode of artists everywhere, nabbed it to incorporate into modern American
contra - the first to do so with this particular move. Then in 1986, Penn Fix
took Ted's dance and added a P-Sw for all, to appeal to modern contra tastes.
What an interesting dance biography! Thanks to all of you scholars.
Tina
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