5 Dec
2010
5 Dec
'10
1:30 p.m.
I was hired to call a dance and noticed, when I arrived, that there
were only two other men in the room besides myself. When I commented
on this I was informed that the group who hired me was a local
lesbian club. They specifically asked that I not make any
accommodations, even though many of them were new to contras. I
believe that they made a point of NOT informing me of their makeup
specifically so that I would not try to dance around the gender specific terms.
It worked out very well. All had a great time, and this in spite of
the fact that there were also two deaf dancers in the room as well.
Attitude is a key factor. I understand a lot of dances were called
here in California at mining towns during the gold rush. The men
danced with each other and half of them played the part of ladies. I
don't think they ever asked for "gender neutral" terms. A few shots
of whisky probably helped as well.
- Greg
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At 10:02 AM 12/2/2010, Susie wrote:
I have been asked to call for a new dance group
forming in a small town
near our regular dance. Experienced dancers were asked to come help
these absolute newbies, and some local musicians have volunteered their
services. It became obvious that about half the dancers were lesbians
who asked me to use non gender specific terms when calling. I tried
'lead' and 'follow' because the syllable numbers worked, but I'm
not
happy with that. I also had some regular dancers comment on not wanting
to deal with 'some' peoples' political agendas as related to contra
calling. I have never dealt with gender free calling and would
appreciate ANY help from those of you who may have been doing it for
years. What terms seem to work best? Any other hints to make things go
more smoothly? These people are very enthusiastic and I want to see
the dance succeed.
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5 Dec
1:52 p.m.
New subject: Gender free dances
Greg wrote:
I was hired to call a dance and noticed, when I
arrived, that there
were only two other men in the room besides myself. When I commented
on this I was informed that the group who hired me was a local
lesbian club. They specifically asked that I not make any
accommodations, even though many of them were new to contras. I
believe that they made a point of NOT informing me of their makeup
specifically so that I would not try to dance around the gender specific terms.
It worked out very well. All had a great time, and
this in spite of
the fact that there were also two deaf dancers in the room as well.
Attitude is a key factor. I understand a lot of
dances were called
here in California at mining towns during the gold rush. The men
danced with each other and half of them played the part of ladies. I
don't think they ever asked for "gender neutral" terms. A few shots
of whisky probably helped as well.
All the references I've read to the all-male dances at the mining camps:
- don't mention contra dancing
- do mention wearing armbands to distinguish roles
- call out waltzes and polkas
so given that it seems to have been all-couple dancing and no called dancing,
there wasn't a lot of need for terminology.
(Incidentally, the gender-free couple dance is the only place where I feel
fully comfortable calling the roles "lead" and "follow" because
that's what
they are.)
-- Alan
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6 Dec
6 Dec
1:15 a.m.
New subject: Community Dancing in the Old West (Was "Gender Free Dances")
Thank you Alan for this information. It is a great thing to have a
dance scholar on this list. I am not one and I thank you for keeping us real.
I would be interested in your recommendation of a source for
information about community dancing in the early west. Perhaps there
are others here who would also appreciate a good reference.
The "arm band" idea troubles me a bit. If the mining camps were only
doing couple dances, why would they need arm bands?
Cheers,
- Greg
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At 10:52 AM 12/5/2010, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:
Greg wrote:
I was hired to call a dance and noticed, when I
arrived, that there
were only two other men in the room besides myself. When I commented
on this I was informed that the group who hired me was a local
lesbian club. They specifically asked that I not make any
accommodations, even though many of them were new to contras. I
believe that they made a point of NOT informing me of their makeup
specifically so that I would not try to dance around the gender
specific terms.
It worked out very well. All had a great time,
and this in spite of
the fact that there were also two deaf dancers in the room as well.
Attitude is a key factor. I understand a lot of
dances were called
here in California at mining towns during the gold rush. The men
danced with each other and half of them played the part of ladies. I
don't think they ever asked for "gender neutral" terms. A few shots
of whisky probably helped as well.
All the references I've read to the all-male dances at the mining camps:
- don't mention contra dancing
- do mention wearing armbands to distinguish roles
- call out waltzes and polkas
so given that it seems to have been all-couple dancing and no called dancing,
there wasn't a lot of need for terminology.
(Incidentally, the gender-free couple dance is the only place where I feel
fully comfortable calling the roles "lead" and "follow" because
that's what
they are.)
-- Alan
--
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Alan Winston --- WINSTON(a)SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056
Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025
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1:39 a.m.
New subject: Community Dancing in the Old West (Was "Gender Free Dances")
Once again, I can only recommend Chris Ricciotti's Gender-Free Dancing Callers Manual
and History, which among many other things in its 45 pages discusses the cowboy, saloon,
and mining camp dances of the Old West. The first known experiments in arm bands for
role-free dances were made in Jamaica Plain in 1989, adapting a method used by gay square
dance clubs, and do not date from the mining camps. Discussions of many other questions
raised in the past few days are found here:
http://lcfd.org/Articles/GFManual/
On that page, click for the PDF.
On Dec 6, 2010, at 1:15 AM, Greg McKenzie wrote:
Thank you Alan for this information. It is a great thing to have a dance scholar on this
list. I am not one and I thank you for keeping us real.
I would be interested in your recommendation of a source for information about community
dancing in the early west. Perhaps there are others here who would also appreciate a good
reference.
The "arm band" idea troubles me a bit. If the mining camps were only doing
couple dances, why would they need arm bands?
Cheers,
- Greg
*************
At 10:52 AM 12/5/2010, Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:
Greg wrote:
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http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers I was hired to call a dance and noticed, when I
arrived, that there
were only two other men in the room besides myself. When I commented
on this I was informed that the group who hired me was a local
lesbian club. They specifically asked that I not make any
accommodations, even though many of them were new to contras. I
believe that they made a point of NOT informing me of their makeup
specifically so that I would not try to dance around the gender specific terms.
It worked out very well. All had a great time,
and this in spite of
the fact that there were also two deaf dancers in the room as well.
Attitude is a key factor. I understand a lot of
dances were called
here in California at mining towns during the gold rush. The men
danced with each other and half of them played the part of ladies. I
don't think they ever asked for "gender neutral" terms. A few shots
of whisky probably helped as well.
All the references I've read to the all-male dances at the mining camps:
- don't mention contra dancing
- do mention wearing armbands to distinguish roles
- call out waltzes and polkas
so given that it seems to have been all-couple dancing and no called dancing,
there wasn't a lot of need for terminology.
(Incidentally, the gender-free couple dance is the only place where I feel
fully comfortable calling the roles "lead" and "follow" because
that's what
they are.)
-- Alan
--
===============================================================================
Alan Winston --- WINSTON(a)SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU
Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL Phone: 650/926-3056
Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA 94025
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