Actually, in the indifferent formation, are we suggesting that the 2's are now going down the hall and the 1's are moving up rather than just the distinctive Lady on the left?   ~ Laurie  West MI ~

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013, Laur wrote: Could you provide a bit more context? I've got no clue what you're talking about. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html

I have seen what you're calling Indifferent called progressed improper....you line up improper and then go ahead and progress before you dance. Joy Greenwolfe's dance Truffles for Breakfast is like that. Either that, or it's improper, but progresses backwards.... Jack On 4/13/2013 1:24 AM, Laur wrote:

These starting formations should be described as   2's crossed instead of the 1's After lining improper, change places with your neighbor. To introduce extra terms is indecent and indicates an indifference to simplicity   Michael Fuerst      802 N Broadway      Urbana IL 61801       217-239-5844 ________________________________ From: Laur &lt;lcpgr(a)yahoo.com&gt; To: Caller's discussion list &lt;callers(a)sharedweight.net&gt; Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [Callers] formation indifferent/ indecent Aahz Indifferent - set up as improper formation, then have neighbors trade places (ladies on the left) Indecent - set up proper, then have 2's trade places

Another dance that starts out as improper, but starts the A1 from a progressed position is Rick Mohr's Chuck the Budgie. Both dances have sequences that seem to 'cross' the end phrase (the B to A). They feel especially seamless to the dancers with music, but in slow motion, the starting positioning may feel weird. I didn't even notice until teaching CTB broke down in a beginner crowd because some people started yelling that they were "in the wrong place." In both cases of CTB and TFB, the neighbors allemande "until the ladies/gents face in." That gets them where they need to go even if they are on the "wrong" side of their neighbor. Slowing down the teaching does not help. It's like trying to teach someone how to walk: momentum helps! I don't generally find the "backwards progression" helpful in practice. It may be technically correct in some cases, but it falls under "too much information" for most dance crowds, imho. I find the "progressed improper" designation helpful only if/when the dancers start questioning their starting position and need reassurance that they know that you know where they are supposed to be. Joy Greenwolfe Durham, NC On Apr 13, 2013, at 1:34 AM, Jack Mitchell wrote:

Here's one of my dances, appropriate for experienced groups, where the 1's start below the 2's As far as I know only Lisa Greenleaf and I have ever called this. Where's Alex? November, 1996 (*) Dancers line up improper but the 1's then exchange places with their opposite sex neighbor, so the 1's are below the 2's. 1-2: Men allemande left 1 1/2, partners swing 3: Promenade across. 4: Women chain to neighbor, but at end of courtesy turn roll away with 1/2 sashe (Everyone now in the position of a normal improper dance, but facing across.) 5: 1/2 hey, men start right shoulders, everyone finishing in the place of their same sex neighbor had started and standing back to back with their opposite sex neighbor, and thus facing a new (second) neighbor. (Everyone now on side of set opposite from which they started the dance ) 6: With 2nd neighbors, men start 1/2 hey passing left shoulders, finish facing a third neighbor. (Everyone now on side of set they started dance.) 7-8: Left shoulder gypsy the third neighbor. Swing the second neighbor. *** Teaching suggestions: Emphasize several times during the walk-through, that dancers reaching the end of the set MUST face back in with the men on the right, women on the left!! (This is not quite correct, but it is what the dancers need to know) Michael Fuerst      802 N Broadway      Urbana IL 61801       217-239-5844