27 Jan
2016
27 Jan
'16
2:54 p.m.
I think that, if I decide to abandon gypsy, I will go with "ease about". I like
the feel of it. An alternative would be "walkabout".
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10:17 PM (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: Jonathan Sivier
<jsivier(a)illinois.edu> </div><div>Cc: Callers(a)sharedweight.net
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</div><div>
</div>How about “mimsy” then - kind of like Jets and Rubies, it has a similar feel
to the word it replaces.
Martha
On Jan 25, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Jonathan Sivier via
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That's what made me think of it. In some earlier message someone mentioned
"Gyre" (probably a diminutive of gyrate) as a possibility. That led me to
"Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe"
"Gimble" may, or may not, be a real word spelled that way, but Gimbal is and
seemed like it might have potential.
Jonathan
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I love this! And it has a playful kind of sound,
despite its technical origin. :-) reminds me of jabberwocky somehow...
Andrea
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> On Jan 25, 2016, at 11:26 AM, Jonathan Sivier via Callers
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>
> I've been thinking about this as well. I'd like to propose
"Gimbal" as a substitute for gypsy. You could even spell it "Gymbal"
if you liked. ;-) This also has the same number of syllables and starts with the same
letter as a bonus. A gimbal is a pivoted support that allows the rotation of an object
about a single axis, so it also makes some sense with respect to the movement being named.
It is sometimes used as a verb, as in the movement of rocket motors used for guidance, as
well as being a noun.
>
> Jonathan
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3:03 p.m.
New subject: another new word idea
Are you also contemplating to abandon the awkward to say "California Twirl"If
you use your gypsy alternative for new dancers, will you advise them of all the synonyms
being conjured ? Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844
On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:54 AM, jwcontrahands4 via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I think that, if I decide to abandon gypsy, I will go with "ease about". I like
the feel of it. An alternative would be "walkabout".
5:26 p.m.
New subject: another new word idea
What Michael Fuerst said at a readable size (It's still coming through
to me in some microscopic font):
Are you also contemplating to abandon the awkward to
say "California
Twirl"
If you use your gypsy alternative for new dancers, will you advise them
of all the synonyms being conjured ?
Aha! A whole new topic. Well, actually old. Larry Edelman, one of my
favorite dance callers, and someone I feel lucky to have spent time
with, and from whom I have learned so much, use to complain about
"California Twirl." I don't recall his reasons, but he always called it
a "Frontier Twirl," which I think he got from old square dance books.
I've been using "right shoulder turn," and "left shoulder turn,"
and
mentioning that there's been a discussion on the use of the word Gypsy.
Then again, somewhere around sixty percent of the time I tend to call a
"right hand turn," instead of "allemande right," as it's more
descriptive.
This, in some ways, gives another reason for using different words: the
use of descriptive calls. Thus abandoning a non-descriptive call for one
that is more readily interpreted by all dancers has other benefits than
just abandoning a word that some--or all--find pejorative .
~erik hoffman
oakland, ca
On 1/27/2016 7:03 AM, Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote:
Are you also contemplating to abandon the awkward to
say "California
Twirl"
If you use your gypsy alternative for new dancers, will you advise
them of all the synonyms being conjured ?
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844
9:20 p.m.
New subject: another new word idea
Erik,
I have heard Frontier Whirl as a California Twirl, but never Frontier
Twirl? Are you sure? (Maybe I am mistaken.)
Rich Sbardella
Stafford, CT
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Erik Hoffman via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
What Michael Fuerst said at a readable size (It's
still coming through to
me in some microscopic font):
Are you also contemplating to abandon the
awkward to say "California
Twirl"
If you use your gypsy alternative for new dancers, will you advise them
of all the synonyms being conjured ?
Aha! A whole new topic. Well, actually old. Larry Edelman, one of my
favorite dance callers, and someone I feel lucky to have spent time with,
and from whom I have learned so much, use to complain about "California
Twirl." I don't recall his reasons, but he always called it a "Frontier
Twirl," which I think he got from old square dance books.
I've been using "right shoulder turn," and "left shoulder turn,"
and
mentioning that there's been a discussion on the use of the word Gypsy.
Then again, somewhere around sixty percent of the time I tend to call a
"right hand turn," instead of "allemande right," as it's more
descriptive.
This, in some ways, gives another reason for using different words: the
use of descriptive calls. Thus abandoning a non-descriptive call for one
that is more readily interpreted by all dancers has other benefits than
just abandoning a word that some--or all--find pejorative .
~erik hoffman
oakland, ca
On 1/27/2016 7:03 AM, Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote:
Are you also contemplating to abandon the awkward to say "California
Twirl"
If you use your gypsy alternative for new dancers, will you advise them of
all the synonyms being conjured ?
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844
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11:15 p.m.
New subject: another new word idea
Hi Rich and All,
My memory of "Frontier Twirl" is pretty strong. But then again, it's the
80s I'm talking about...
~erik
On 1/27/2016 1:20 PM, Rich Sbardella wrote:
Erik,
I have heard Frontier Whirl as a California Twirl, but never Frontier
Twirl? Are you sure? (Maybe I am mistaken.)
Rich Sbardella
Stafford, CT
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Erik Hoffman via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
<mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:
What Michael Fuerst said at a readable size (It's still coming
through to me in some microscopic font):
Are you also contemplating to abandon the
awkward to say
"California
Twirl"
Aha! A whole new topic. Well, actually old. Larry Edelman, one of
my favorite dance callers, and someone I feel lucky to have spent
time with, and from whom I have learned so much, use to complain
about "California Twirl." I don't recall his reasons, but he
always called it a "Frontier Twirl," which I think he got from old
square dance books.
~erik hoffman
oakland, ca
28 Jan
28 Jan
2:10 a.m.
New subject: another new word idea
I tried typing each of the following into the Google search box:
"frontier twirl" square dance
"frontier whirl" square dance
The "whirl" version got more hits, but the "twirl" version also
got enough to show that it's more than just one person's
idiosyncratic variant.
Bonus history tidbit: In Ed Gilmore's dance "The California
Whirl", as published in the May 1951 _Sets in Order_ magazine
and on page _Sets In Order_'s _5 Years of Square Dancing_
compilation (a/k/a _Five Years of Sets In Order_), the term
"California Whirl" is used to mean what would now be called
a "Left Star Thru". That is, it's done by dancers who are
facing each other, rather than by those who are side-by-side,
with gent using left hand and lady using right hand. On the
other hand (as it were), when Ed describes the "Inside Arch
Outside Under" routine in his 1949 callers course syllabus
http://squaredancehistory.org/items/show/581
he uses "California Whirl" just as we now use "California
Twirl'. The terminology just wasn't as precicodified in
those ®®days as it is in MWSD today.
--Jim
On Jan 27, 2016, at 1:20 PM, Rich Sbardella via
Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Erik,
I have heard Frontier Whirl as a California Twirl, but never Frontier Twirl? Are you
sure? (Maybe I am mistaken.)
Rich Sbardella
Stafford, CT
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Erik Hoffman via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
What Michael Fuerst said at a readable size (It's still coming through to me in some
microscopic font):
Are you also contemplating to abandon the
awkward to say "California
Twirl"
If you use your gypsy alternative for new dancers, will you advise them
of all the synonyms being conjured ?
Aha! A whole new topic. Well, actually old. Larry Edelman, one of my favorite dance
callers, and someone I feel lucky to have spent time with, and from whom I have learned so
much, use to complain about "California Twirl." I don't recall his reasons,
but he always called it a "Frontier Twirl," which I think he got from old square
dance books.
I've been using "right shoulder turn," and "left shoulder turn,"
and mentioning that there's been a discussion on the use of the word Gypsy. Then
again, somewhere around sixty percent of the time I tend to call a "right hand
turn," instead of "allemande right," as it's more descriptive.
This, in some ways, gives another reason for using different words: the use of
descriptive calls. Thus abandoning a non-descriptive call for one that is more readily
interpreted by all dancers has other benefits than just abandoning a word that some--or
all--find pejorative .
~erik hoffman
oakland, ca
On 1/27/2016 7:03 AM, Michael Fuerst via Callers wrote:
Are you also contemplating to abandon the
awkward to say "California Twirl"
If you use your gypsy alternative for new dancers, will you advise them of all the
synonyms being conjured ?
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844
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27 Jan
27 Jan
6:23 p.m.
New subject: another new word idea
Well, I have changed my opinion.
I decided to talk to Martha Barnette and Grant Barrett at Away With Words about the g-word
controversy, figuring that if anyone could shed light on the origins of the words and the
ethical use of language it would be them.
They said that the origin is NOT the Welsh, but is indeed the same word used for the
Romani people. And they also felt that it was a highly negative word and that we should
try to find an alternative name for the move within our community. I think that the
discussion will be on the next show - so if you are interested, tune in to Away With Words
to hear their take on the subject.
I”d prefer a word that has a similar quality - a soft sound - and a similar two syllable
nature to it. That’s why gyre is a little bit problematic for me, on top of whether to
make it a hard or soft “g". Tipsy? Mimsy (going along with they Jabberwocky theme)?
Gimbal or gambol isn’t bad but isn’t very soft sounding. But it would be good if we didn’t
have 20 different terms in different groups so that dancers going from one place to
another would be OK when medleys were called. I can’t say I like many of the suggestions
yet.
Martha
On Jan 27, 2016, at 7:03 AM, Michael Fuerst via
Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Are you also contemplating to abandon the awkward to say "California Twirl"
If you use your gypsy alternative for new dancers, will you advise them of all the
synonyms being conjured ?
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844
On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:54 AM, jwcontrahands4 via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I think that, if I decide to abandon gypsy, I will go with "ease about". I
like the feel of it. An alternative would be "walkabout".
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7:13 p.m.
New subject: another new word idea
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016, Martha Wild via Callers wrote:
I decided to talk to Martha Barnette and Grant Barrett at Away With
Words about the g-word controversy, figuring that if anyone could shed
light on the origins of the words and the ethical use of language it
would be them.
For people searching: it's actually "A Way With Words"
http://www.waywordradio.org/
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New subject: another new word idea
FWIW, "gyre" is pronounced \ˈjī(-ə)r\
Think about pronunciation of words like "gyroscope" and "gyrate," and
you'll have it.
On Jan 27, 2016, at 1:23 PM, Martha Wild via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Well, I have changed my opinion.
I decided to talk to Martha Barnette and Grant Barrett at Away With Words about the
g-word controversy, figuring that if anyone could shed light on the origins of the words
and the ethical use of language it would be them.
They said that the origin is NOT the Welsh, but is indeed the same word used for the
Romani people. And they also felt that it was a highly negative word and that we should
try to find an alternative name for the move within our community. I think that the
discussion will be on the next show - so if you are interested, tune in to Away With Words
to hear their take on the subject.
I”d prefer a word that has a similar quality - a soft sound - and a similar two syllable
nature to it. That’s why gyre is a little bit problematic for me, on top of whether to
make it a hard or soft “g". Tipsy? Mimsy (going along with they Jabberwocky theme)?
Gimbal or gambol isn’t bad but isn’t very soft sounding. But it would be good if we didn’t
have 20 different terms in different groups so that dancers going from one place to
another would be OK when medleys were called. I can’t say I like many of the suggestions
yet.
Martha
On Jan 27, 2016, at 7:03 AM, Michael Fuerst via
Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Are you also contemplating to abandon the awkward to say "California Twirl"
If you use your gypsy alternative for new dancers, will you advise them of all the
synonyms being conjured ?
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844
On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:54 AM, jwcontrahands4 via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I think that, if I decide to abandon gypsy, I will go with "ease about". I
like the feel of it. An alternative would be "walkabout".
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29 Jan
6:42 p.m.
New subject: another new word idea
I like the word “eddy”. It rolls off the tongue easy, defines a circular movement, and has
a sharp consonant sound. I haven’t been able to think of a down side, yet.
Harold
From: Callers [mailto:callers-bounces@lists.sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Martha Wild via
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Subject: Re: [Callers] another new word idea
Well, I have changed my opinion.
I decided to talk to Martha Barnette and Grant Barrett at Away With Words about the g-word
controversy, figuring that if anyone could shed light on the origins of the words and the
ethical use of language it would be them.
They said that the origin is NOT the Welsh, but is indeed the same word used for the
Romani people. And they also felt that it was a highly negative word and that we should
try to find an alternative name for the move within our community. I think that the
discussion will be on the next show - so if you are interested, tune in to Away With Words
to hear their take on the subject.
I”d prefer a word that has a similar quality - a soft sound - and a similar two syllable
nature to it. That’s why gyre is a little bit problematic for me, on top of whether to
make it a hard or soft “g". Tipsy? Mimsy (going along with they Jabberwocky theme)?
Gimbal or gambol isn’t bad but isn’t very soft sounding. But it would be good if we didn’t
have 20 different terms in different groups so that dancers going from one place to
another would be OK when medleys were called. I can’t say I like many of the suggestions
yet.
Martha
On Jan 27, 2016, at 7:03 AM, Michael Fuerst via Callers
<callers@lists.sharedweight.net<mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>>
wrote:
Are you also contemplating to abandon the awkward to say "California Twirl"
If you use your gypsy alternative for new dancers, will you advise them of all the
synonyms being conjured ?
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844
On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:54 AM, jwcontrahands4 via Callers
<callers@lists.sharedweight.net<mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>>
wrote:
I think that, if I decide to abandon gypsy, I will go with "ease about". I like
the feel of it. An alternative would be "walkabout".
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6:48 p.m.
New subject: another new word idea
Pity the poor guy named Eddy, new to contra dancing, struggling down there on the dance
floor.
On Jan 29, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Harold E. Watson via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I like the word “eddy”. It rolls off the tongue easy,
defines a circular movement, and has a sharp consonant sound. I haven’t been able to think
of a down side, yet.
Harold
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Well, I have changed my opinion.
I decided to talk to Martha Barnette and Grant Barrett at Away With Words about the
g-word controversy, figuring that if anyone could shed light on the origins of the words
and the ethical use of language it would be them.
They said that the origin is NOT the Welsh, but is indeed the same word used for the
Romani people. And they also felt that it was a highly negative word and that we should
try to find an alternative name for the move within our community. I think that the
discussion will be on the next show - so if you are interested, tune in to Away With Words
to hear their take on the subject.
I”d prefer a word that has a similar quality - a soft sound - and a similar two syllable
nature to it. That’s why gyre is a little bit problematic for me, on top of whether to
make it a hard or soft “g". Tipsy? Mimsy (going along with they Jabberwocky theme)?
Gimbal or gambol isn’t bad but isn’t very soft sounding. But it would be good if we didn’t
have 20 different terms in different groups so that dancers going from one place to
another would be OK when medleys were called. I can’t say I like many of the suggestions
yet.
Martha
On Jan 27, 2016, at 7:03 AM, Michael Fuerst via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Are you also contemplating to abandon the awkward to say "California Twirl"
If you use your gypsy alternative for new dancers, will you advise them of all the
synonyms being conjured ?
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217 239 5844
On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:54 AM, jwcontrahands4 via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I think that, if I decide to abandon gypsy, I will go with "ease about". I
like the feel of it. An alternative would be "walkabout".
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New subject: another new word idea
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016, Robert Golder via Callers wrote:
On Jan 29, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Harold E. Watson via
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Not to mention the Rocky Horror fans...
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I like the word "eddy". It rolls off the tongue easy, defines a
circular movement, and has a sharp consonant sound. I haven't been
able to think of a down side, yet.
Pity the poor guy named Eddy, new to contra dancing, struggling down
there on the dance floor.
7:31 p.m.
New subject: another new word idea
Hmmm, maybe we should have a screening of Rocky Horror immediately before the dance, then
just explain that's NOT what we're talking about. Haven't seen that movie in a
few decades. Are any of the songs square?
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Not to mention the Rocky Horror fans...
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I like the word "eddy". It rolls off the tongue easy, defines a
circular movement, and has a sharp consonant sound. I haven't been
able to think of a down side, yet.
Pity the poor guy named Eddy, new to contra dancing, struggling down
there on the dance floor.
27 Jan
27 Jan
3:18 p.m.
New subject: another new word idea
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016, jwcontrahands4 via Callers wrote:
I think that, if I decide to abandon gypsy, I will go with "ease
about". I like the feel of it. An alternative would be "walkabout".
Walkabout would be a poor substitute:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-07/lets-go-walkabout-changes-name-a-cult…
I suggest that anyone thinking of a substitute term do at least a quick
search for "<word> appropriation" (which is what I did to find the above
link) and "<word> slur".
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New subject: Fw: another new word idea
If I recall - square dances use the term 'dance around' to achieve the same thing
'dance around your partner', etc.
Mac McKeever
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On Wed, Jan 27, 2016, jwcontrahands4 via Callers wrote:
I think that, if I decide to abandon gypsy, I will go with "ease
about". I like the feel of it. An alternative would be "walkabout".
Walkabout would be a poor substitute:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-07/lets-go-walkabout-changes-name-a-cult…
I suggest that anyone thinking of a substitute term do at least a quick
search for "<word> appropriation" (which is what I did to find the above
link) and "<word> slur".
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New subject: Fw: another new word idea
I believe that in the singing square "Trail of the Lonesome Pine" the term they
use is walk around.
Steve
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Subject: [Callers] Fw: another new word idea
If I recall - square dances use the term 'dance around' to achieve the same thing
'dance around your partner', etc.
Mac McKeever
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On Wed, Jan 27, 2016, jwcontrahands4 via Callers wrote:
I think that, if I decide to abandon gypsy, I will go with "ease
about". I like the feel of it. An alternative would be "walkabout".
Walkabout would be a poor substitute:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-07/lets-go-walkabout-changes-name-a-cult…
I suggest that anyone thinking of a substitute term do at least a quick
search for "<word> appropriation" (which is what I did to find the above
link) and "<word> slur".
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3:46 p.m.
New subject: Fw: Fw: another new word idea
That would seem to be an even more obvious solution.
Mac
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I believe that in the singing square "Trail of the Lonesome Pine" the term they
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If I recall - square dances use the term 'dance around' to achieve the same thing
'dance around your partner', etc.
Mac McKeever
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On Wed, Jan 27, 2016, jwcontrahands4 via Callers wrote:
I think that, if I decide to abandon gypsy, I will go with "ease
about". I like the feel of it. An alternative would be "walkabout".
Walkabout would be a poor substitute:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-07/lets-go-walkabout-changes-name-a-cult…
I suggest that anyone thinking of a substitute term do at least a quick
search for "<word> appropriation" (which is what I did to find the above
link) and "<word> slur".
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7:51 p.m.
New subject: Fw: Fw: another new word idea
In MWSD, walk around (your corner) is effectively a “without hands” Right Hand Turn – it
specifically does not have the “look at the other person” aspect.
This is not in itself a reason for not using the phrase, but avoiding confusion with
closely allied dance forms that share dancers is probably a good idea.
Jeremy
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Subject: [Callers] Fw: Fw: another new word idea
That would seem to be an even more obvious solution.
Mac
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I believe that in the singing square "Trail of the Lonesome Pine" the term they
use is walk around.
Steve
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Subject: [Callers] Fw: another new word idea
If I recall - square dances use the term 'dance around' to achieve the same thing
'dance around your partner', etc.
Mac McKeever
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On Wed, Jan 27, 2016, jwcontrahands4 via Callers wrote:
I think that, if I decide to abandon gypsy, I will go with "ease
about". I like the feel of it. An alternative would be "walkabout".
Walkabout would be a poor substitute:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-07/lets-go-walkabout-changes-name-a-cult…
I suggest that anyone thinking of a substitute term do at least a quick
search for "<word> appropriation" (which is what I did to find the above
link) and "<word> slur".
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New subject: Fw: Fw: Fw: another new word idea
There are lots of examples where the same name is used for figures that are done
differently - allemand for example
I always thought the staring at the other person was an option and often uncomfortable for
new dancers
Mac
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(your corner) is effectively a “without hands” Right Hand Turn – it specifically does not
have the “look at the other person” aspect.
This is not in itself a reason for not using the phrase, but avoiding confusion with
closely allied dance forms that share dancers is probably a good idea. Jeremy From:
Callers [mailto:callers-bounces@lists.sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Mac Mckeever via
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Subject: [Callers] Fw: Fw: another new word idea That would seem to be an even more
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"Trail of the Lonesome Pine" the term they use is walk
around. Steve -----Original Message-----
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Subject: [Callers] Fw: another new word ideaIf I recall - square dances use the term
'dance around' to achieve the same thing
'dance around your partner', etc.
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Subject: Re: [Callers] another new word idea
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016, jwcontrahands4 via Callers wrote:
I think that, if I decide to abandon gypsy, I will go with "ease
about". I like the feel of it. An alternative would be "walkabout".
Walkabout would be a poor substitute:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-07/lets-go-walkabout-changes-name-a-cult…
I suggest that anyone thinking of a substitute term do at least a quick
search for "<word> appropriation" (which is what I did to find the above
link) and "<word> slur".
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1:32 a.m.
New subject: Fw: Fw: another new word idea
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Jeremy Gmail via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
In MWSD, walk around (your corner) is effectively a
“without hands” Right
Hand Turn – it specifically does not have the “look at the other person”
aspect.
This is not in itself a reason for not using the phrase, but avoiding
confusion with closely allied dance forms that share dancers is probably a
good idea.
Jeremy
This is not correct. Current CALLERLAB definitions include styling that
includes "eye contact"
From the current CALLERLAB Basic/Mainstream definitions
(revised May 31,
2013) available for download at callerlab.org:
[my emphasis added with underlining]
*26. Walk Around the Corner*
*Starting formations:* Squared Set, Infacing Circle Of 8
*Command examples:* Walk Around the Corner
Walk All Around Your Corner
4 Ladies Chain; Circle Left; Walk Around New Corner
All Around the Left Hand Lady
Walk All Around the Left Hand Lady; See Saw the Pretty Little Taw
*Dance action: *Dancers face their corners. *Walking forward and around
each other while keeping right shoulders adjacent,* dancers return to their
original position, with their backs toward their corner. [underlining mine]
*Ending formation: *Right and Left Grand Circle
*Timing:* 8
*Styling:* Men hold arms in natural dance position. Women use both hands on
skirt, moving skirt forward and back to avoid opposite dancer. *Dancers
should maintain eye contact over their shoulders until their partners
become visible.* [underlining mine]
*Comment: *Square dancing is evolving towards a preference for "Walk Around
the Corner" instead of "All Around The Left-Hand Lady", which requires the
women to mentally translate the command to "All Around The Right-Hand Man".
While I'm not suggesting we adopt the MWSD nomenclature (in particular, the
left-shoulder version is called "See Saw" in current MWSD which is
something different in current contra), I do want to point out that the
dance action is exactly what we desire for a right-shoulder gy--y. The only
difference is that MWSD it is essentially restricted to exactly 1x around,
and in contra gy--y is 'as far as directed'.
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3:30 a.m.
New subject: Fw: Fw: another new word idea
Andy, I'm not sure that the action 'face your corner' necessitates making or
keeping eye contact. It is heard by many, in my experience, merely as the instruction
which gets your body facing around the ring so you are interacting with your corner, not
at all as an injunction to look into their face. That I interpret it that way seems to
be an artifact of my contra background.
Best,
Andrea
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On Jan 27, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Andy Shore via Callers
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On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Jeremy Gmail
via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
In MWSD, walk around (your corner) is effectively a “without hands” Right Hand Turn – it
specifically does not have the “look at the other person” aspect.
This is not in itself a reason for not using the phrase, but avoiding confusion with
closely allied dance forms that share dancers is probably a good idea.
Jeremy
This is not correct. Current CALLERLAB definitions include styling that includes
"eye contact"
From the current CALLERLAB Basic/Mainstream definitions (revised May 31, 2013) available
for download at callerlab.org:
[my emphasis added with underlining]
26. Walk Around the Corner
Starting formations: Squared Set, Infacing Circle Of 8
Command examples:
Walk Around the Corner
Walk All Around Your Corner
4 Ladies Chain; Circle Left; Walk Around New Corner
All Around the Left Hand Lady
Walk All Around the Left Hand Lady; See Saw the Pretty Little Taw
Dance action: Dancers face their corners. Walking forward and around each other while
keeping right shoulders adjacent, dancers return to their original position, with their
backs toward their corner. [underlining mine]
Ending formation: Right and Left Grand Circle
Timing: 8
Styling: Men hold arms in natural dance position. Women use both hands on skirt, moving
skirt forward and back to avoid opposite dancer. Dancers should maintain eye contact over
their shoulders until their partners become visible. [underlining mine]
Comment: Square dancing is evolving towards a preference for "Walk Around the
Corner" instead of "All Around The Left-Hand Lady", which requires the
women to mentally translate the command to "All Around The Right-Hand Man".
While I'm not suggesting we adopt the MWSD nomenclature (in particular, the
left-shoulder version is called "See Saw" in current MWSD which is something
different in current contra), I do want to point out that the dance action is exactly what
we desire for a right-shoulder gy--y. The only difference is that MWSD it is essentially
restricted to exactly 1x around, and in contra gy--y is 'as far as directed'.
--
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Santa Cruz, CA
http://andyshore.com/
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My apologies – I was using something that claimed to be a verbatim copy of Callerlab but
clearly wasn’t!
The action is still different to how the G-move is danced on the UK, which is full face
rather than a “glance” over the shoulder.
Jeremy
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Subject: Re: [Callers] Fw: Fw: another new word idea
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Jeremy Gmail via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
In MWSD, walk around (your corner) is effectively a “without hands” Right Hand Turn – it
specifically does not have the “look at the other person” aspect.
This is not in itself a reason for not using the phrase, but avoiding confusion with
closely allied dance forms that share dancers is probably a good idea.
Jeremy
This is not correct. Current CALLERLAB definitions include styling that includes "eye
contact"
From the current CALLERLAB Basic/Mainstream definitions
(revised May 31, 2013) available for download at callerlab.org:
[my emphasis added with underlining]
26. Walk Around the Corner
Starting formations: Squared Set, Infacing Circle Of 8
Command examples:
Walk Around the Corner
Walk All Around Your Corner
4 Ladies Chain; Circle Left; Walk Around New Corner
All Around the Left Hand Lady
Walk All Around the Left Hand Lady; See Saw the Pretty Little Taw
Dance action: Dancers face their corners. Walking forward and around each other while
keeping right shoulders adjacent, dancers return to their original position, with their
backs toward their corner. [underlining mine]
Ending formation: Right and Left Grand Circle
Timing: 8
Styling: Men hold arms in natural dance position. Women use both hands on skirt, moving
skirt forward and back to avoid opposite dancer. Dancers should maintain eye contact over
their shoulders until their partners become visible. [underlining mine]
Comment: Square dancing is evolving towards a preference for "Walk Around the
Corner" instead of "All Around The Left-Hand Lady", which requires the
women to mentally translate the command to "All Around The Right-Hand Man".
While I'm not suggesting we adopt the MWSD nomenclature (in particular, the
left-shoulder version is called "See Saw" in current MWSD which is something
different in current contra), I do want to point out that the dance action is exactly what
we desire for a right-shoulder gy--y. The only difference is that MWSD it is essentially
restricted to exactly 1x around, and in contra gy--y is 'as far as directed'.
--
/Andy Shore
Santa Cruz, CA
http://andyshore.com/
27 Jan
27 Jan
10:40 p.m.
New subject: another new word idea
I’ve been experimenting with “walk around your partner/neighbor face to face” without any
complaints or adverse effects.
Jim
On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:32 AM, Mac Mckeever via Callers
<callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
If I recall - square dances use the term 'dance around' to achieve the same
thing
'dance around your partner', etc.
Mac McKeever
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Subject: Re: [Callers] another new word idea
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016, jwcontrahands4 via Callers wrote:
I think that, if I decide to abandon gypsy, I will go with "ease
about". I like the feel of it. An alternative would be "walkabout".
Walkabout would be a poor substitute:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-07/lets-go-walkabout-changes-name-a-cult…
<http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-07/lets-go-walkabout-changes-name-a-cultural-appropriation-claims/7071662>
I suggest that anyone thinking of a substitute term do at least a quick
search for "<word> appropriation" (which is what I did to find the above
link) and "<word> slur".
--
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