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Rich Goss via Callers

18 Jul 2017 18 Jul '17

1:08 p.m.

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You could just as easily circle Left 1x in B2. > On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > > I question the flow of a circle R into a swing. But I don't recognize the sequence. > Cheers, > Andrea > > Sent from my external brain > > On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Jerome Grisanti via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: > >>>> >> >> I wonder if this sequence has already been written (and titled): >> >> Trip to Kentucky >> Improper contra >> Jerome Grisanti (unless prior claim exists) >> >> A1: Long lines go forward, roll away as you go back (women moving from left to right in front of their neighbors). >> Men allemande left 1.5. >> >> A2: Partner B & S. >> >> B1: Right & Left Thru, Ladies chain. >> >> B2: Circle RIGHT 1x, Neighbors swing. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jerome >> >> >> >> -- >> Jerome Grisanti >> 660-528-0858 >> http://www.jeromegrisanti.com >> >> "Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius and power and magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

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Alan Winston via Callers

18 Jul 18 Jul

3:45 p.m.

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While I agree that you could circle left, it's not quite "just as easily"; the chain / courtesy turn / circle right has an unbroken flow - if you do it right; gent has to bring the lady around and point her in the right direction - and chain/courtesy turn / circle left means you finish the courtesy turn (CCW rotation), stop, and circle left, although you can blur that with a twirl rather than a courtesy turn. I think circle-right-with-lady-in-the-lead is somewhat awkward - you've got to change hands, which can be facilitated with a star-thru kind of twirl that damps the circular motion - more awkward than circle-right-with-gent-in-the-lead but less awkward than circle left with gent in the lead. -- alan On 7/18/17 11:08 AM, Rich Goss via Callers wrote:

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You could just as easily circle Left 1x in B2. On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote: > I question the flow of a circle R into a swing. But I don't > recognize the sequence. > Cheers, > Andrea > > Sent from my external brain > > On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Jerome Grisanti via Callers > <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net > <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote: > >> >> >> I wonder if this sequence has already been written (and titled): >> >> Trip to Kentucky >> Improper contra >> Jerome Grisanti (unless prior claim exists) >> >> A1: Long lines go forward, roll away as you go back (women moving >> from left to right in front of their neighbors). >> Men allemande left 1.5. >> >> A2: Partner B & S. >> >> B1: Right & Left Thru, Ladies chain. >> >> B2: Circle RIGHT 1x, Neighbors swing. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jerome >> >> >> >> -- >> Jerome Grisanti >> 660-528-0858 >> http://www.jeromegrisanti.com >> >> "Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius >> and power and magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net> >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net> > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

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Joy Greenwolfe via Callers

3:46 p.m.

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On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Rich Goss via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

You could just as easily circle Left 1x in B2. On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote: > I question the flow of a circle R into a swing. But I don't recognize the sequence. > Cheers, > Andrea > > Sent from my external brain > > On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Jerome Grisanti via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote: > >> >> >> I wonder if this sequence has already been written (and titled): >> >> Trip to Kentucky >> Improper contra >> Jerome Grisanti (unless prior claim exists) >> >> A1: Long lines go forward, roll away as you go back (women moving from left to right in front of their neighbors). >> Men allemande left 1.5. >> >> A2: Partner B & S. >> >> B1: Right & Left Thru, Ladies chain. >> >> B2: Circle RIGHT 1x, Neighbors swing. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jerome >> >> >> >> -- >> Jerome Grisanti >> 660-528-0858 >> http://www.jeromegrisanti.com <http://www.jeromegrisanti.com/> >> >> "Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius and power and magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Callers mailing list >> Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net> >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net <http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net> > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net> > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net <http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net>

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Alan Winston via Callers

3:57 p.m.

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On 7/18/17 1:46 PM, Joy Greenwolfe via Callers wrote:

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I agree that lady leads in a circle left is super smooth - no fiddling with hands required, just fold in and continue CW momentum into the swing. Gent leads in circle left is a hand change and I've felt it as being very awkward. (Spent a whole dance with one of those where partner and I experimented on how to get it smooth; best two solutions were keeping hold of the same hand, joining the other hand,and doing a crossed-hand swing or changing gender roles with partner each time so you could keep the same hand.) When gent leads in circle right you don't have to change hands, but when lady leads you do. -- Alan

Jerome Grisanti via Callers

8:58 p.m.

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Thanks for your comments. Rich, I had considered a circle left, and chose the circle right for similar reasons as Joy as articulated. I do want to test this, particularly asking people dancing the ladies role about the flow and/or momentum shift they experience. Joy, yes, I would certainly be sure to make it clear in teaching that it's the NEXT neighbor for the roll away. Thanks for your encouragement of a circle right, I'll let the list know how dancers respond. --Jerome Jerome Grisanti 660-528-0858 http://www.jeromegrisanti.com "Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius and power and magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Joy Greenwolfe via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

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Sorry if this has already been pointed out. The advantage of circling right before the Neighbor swing in this dance is that the Ladies lead in the circle in front of the person they will be swinging, which is always a smoother transition than the Gents leading a circle into a swing. The circle right also adds a distinctive flavor to the dance that might otherwise look a little generic. Another detail I noticed is that in the A1, it would be helpful for clarity’s sake to specify that the gents roll away their *new* Neighbor, not the one they just swung. Joy Greenwolfe Durham, NC On Jul 18, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Rich Goss via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: You could just as easily circle Left 1x in B2. On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Andrea Nettleton via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote: I question the flow of a circle R into a swing. But I don't recognize the sequence. Cheers, Andrea Sent from my external brain On Jul 18, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Jerome Grisanti via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

I wonder if this sequence has already been written (and titled): Trip to Kentucky Improper contra Jerome Grisanti (unless prior claim exists) A1: Long lines go forward, roll away as you go back (women moving from left to right in front of their neighbors). Men allemande left 1.5. A2: Partner B & S. B1: Right & Left Thru, Ladies chain. B2: Circle RIGHT 1x, Neighbors swing. Thanks, Jerome -- Jerome Grisanti 660-528-0858 <(660)%20528-0858> http://www.jeromegrisanti.com "Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius and power and magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net

Chet Gray via Callers

20 Jul 20 Jul

2:28 p.m.

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I prefer circles to the right after chains, from both positions. Still, I'll echo those who question the circle right into swing, although my suggested solution is different: Replace the neighbor swing with a neighbor two-hand turn counter clockwise twice around. (I know you enjoy a good two-hand turn, Jerome ^_^) — Chet Gray dance caller Louisville, KY (502) 419-7008 <+1-502-419-7008> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:58 PM, Jerome Grisanti via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

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Thanks for your comments. Rich, I had considered a circle left, and chose the circle right for similar reasons as Joy as articulated. I do want to test this, particularly asking people dancing the ladies role about the flow and/or momentum shift they experience. Joy, yes, I would certainly be sure to make it clear in teaching that it's the NEXT neighbor for the roll away. Thanks for your encouragement of a circle right, I'll let the list know how dancers respond. --Jerome Jerome Grisanti 660-528-0858 <(660)%20528-0858> http://www.jeromegrisanti.com "Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius and power and magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Joy Greenwolfe via Callers < callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:

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