30 Nov
2012
30 Nov
'12
11:46 a.m.
Concerning Paul's suggestions, what is the sequence for Paul's suggestion
"To Have & To Hold" ?
I found the sequences for the other two:
The second time around, Improper by Jim Kitch
A1 N gypsy & sw
A2 M almd left 1 1/2; 1/2 hey
B1. P gyspy & sw
B2. Long lines; Cir left 3/4, pass thru
Bowl of Cherries, Improper by Sue Rosen
A1 N Dsd & swing
A2 Promenade across, W ch to P
B1 W gypsy each other, then sw P
B2 Circle left, Cross Trails (pass thru across, pass N by left shoulder to face new N)
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217-239-5844
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Hey all,
Three of my favorite contemporary dances are:
To Have & to Hold by Don Flaherty
The Second Time Around (apologies, author temporarily slipped my mind)
Bowl of Cherries by Sue Rosen
Not intentional, but there isn't a balance in one of them.
warmest regards,
Paul Wilde
30 Nov
30 Nov
12:02 p.m.
Michael -
I think you would agree that Du Quion Races would need to be on this list
Mac
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Subject: [Callers] Fw: What is the best contra dance(s) ever written?
Concerning Paul's suggestions, what is the sequence for Paul's suggestion
"To Have & To Hold" ?
I found the sequences for the other two:
The second time around, Improper by Jim Kitch
A1 N gypsy & sw
A2 M almd left 1 1/2; 1/2 hey
B1. P gyspy & sw
B2. Long lines; Cir left 3/4, pass thru
Bowl of Cherries, Improper by Sue Rosen
A1 N Dsd & swing
A2 Promenade across, W ch to P
B1 W gypsy each other, then sw P
B2 Circle left, Cross Trails (pass thru across, pass N by left shoulder to face new N)
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217-239-5844
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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Callers] What is the best contra dance(s) ever written?
Hey all,
Three of my favorite contemporary dances are:
To Have & to Hold by Don Flaherty
The Second Time Around (apologies, author temporarily slipped my mind)
Bowl of Cherries by Sue Rosen
Not intentional, but there isn't a balance in one of them.
warmest regards,
Paul Wilde
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Mac:
DuQuoin Races would be in my top five or ten, but certainly not the top one, probably
because the experience of dancing it varies with the music more than other dances..
Du Quoin Races, Becket by Orace Johnson (1991)
A1: Balance ring, pass through to an ocean wave
Balance again, allemande right 3/4 to form long waves (men facing out, women in)
A2: Balance, women cross set to where partner is standing as men turn into the place
abandoned
by their partner, to form new long waves with the women facing out and the men in.
Balance, “rotate” again (men walking across set, women looping around to the right)
B1- Swing partner on the side (the same side you started on)
Circle left halfway, roll away with a half sashay to trade places with neighbors
(across set)
B2- Circle left halfway, roll away with a half sashay to trade places with partners (along
set)
Circle left halfway, and shift left along the set to face new neighbors
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217-239-5844
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Michael -
I think you would agree that Du Quion Races would need to be on this list
Mac
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2:07 a.m.
New subject: Fw: What is the best contra dance(s) ever written?
Part of my fondness for Du Quoin Races is based on the impeccable taste of
the people who run the track and the fairgrounds. A close-up few of the map
says it all.... ;-)
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Michael Fuerst <mjerryfuerst(a)yahoo.com>wrote;wrote:
Mac:
DuQuoin Races would be in my top five or ten, but certainly not the top
one, probably because the experience of dancing it varies with the music
more than other dances..
Du Quoin Races, Becket by Orace Johnson (1991)
A1: Balance ring, pass through to an ocean wave
Balance again, allemande right 3/4 to form long waves (men facing
out, women in)
A2: Balance, women cross set to where partner is standing as men turn
into the place abandoned
by their partner, to form new long waves with the women facing out
and the men in.
Balance, “rotate” again (men walking across set, women looping
around to the right)
B1- Swing partner on the side (the same side you started on)
Circle left halfway, roll away with a half sashay to trade places with
neighbors (across set)
B2- Circle left halfway, roll away with a half sashay to trade places with
partners (along set)
Circle left halfway, and shift left along the set to face new neighbors
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217-239-5844
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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Fw: What is the best contra dance(s) ever written?
Michael -
I think you would agree that Du Quion Races would need to be on this list
Mac
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Catching up, Michael,
What kind of music do you feel works best / doesn't work with DuQuoin Races?
Delia
On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Michael Fuerst wrote:
Mac:
DuQuoin Races would be in my top five or ten, but certainly not the top one, probably
because the experience of dancing it varies with the music more than other dances..
<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>
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802-457-2075
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2 Dec
2 Dec
1:25 a.m.
New subject: Music for DuQuoin Races
Hello Delia
All the moves take relatively short amounts of time to complete, and the first half has
several balances on the odd phrases, and the B part starts with a short swing on an odd
phrase.
So either
1) bouncy jigs played at average or a bit faster than average speed (my personal
preference), or
2) reels played a bit faster than average, and which have **well defined eight count
phrases** (so dancers can tell when to stop the swing).
Tunes played more slowly than average will not likely work well.
The tune Irish Washerwoman will work really well.
Mac, who calls the dance quite often, lives in the St Louis area, where bands tend to play
fast driving tunes and few jigs, so his preference and experience might be 2)
I'm sure he will correct me on this if needed.
In either case, the caller should vigilant throughout the dance, ready to prompt the
dancers as needed to end the swing and start the the first circle.
I once called DuQuion Races at an open calling weekend, where often the bands and callers
do not coordinate dances with tunes.
The band played a tune where only the 16 count phrases were clear. The ends of the odd 8
count phrases were not. First time through the dance I unwittingly let the partners swing
for 16 beats.
I had the presence of mind to recover by calling the rest of the dance with the music 8
counts ahead of the dance.
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217-239-5844
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Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Fw: What is the best contra dance(s) ever written?
Catching up, Michael,
What kind of music do you feel works best / doesn't work with DuQuoin Races?
Delia
On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Michael Fuerst wrote:
Mac:
DuQuoin Races would be in my top five or ten, but certainly not the top one, probably
because the experience of dancing it varies with the music more than other dances..
<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>
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10:40 a.m.
New subject: Music for DuQuoin Races
Hi all,
DuQuoin Races is one of my all time favorite dances. I have called it numerous times with
the Coffee Zombies and their fantastic set "March of the Coffee Zombies". The
march-like precision of the A parts and the flow of the B parts work wonderfully with this
tune set. Two of the three tunes were written by Tom Cunningham, fiddler extraordinaire of
the CZ's.
I also love dances by Becky Hill, especially "Kopp's on the Loose".
best,
Susan
On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:25 AM, Michael Fuerst wrote:
Hello Delia
All the moves take relatively short amounts of time to complete, and the first half has
several balances on the odd phrases, and the B part starts with a short swing on an odd
phrase.
So either
1) bouncy jigs played at average or a bit faster than average speed (my personal
preference), or
2) reels played a bit faster than average, and which have **well defined eight count
phrases** (so dancers can tell when to stop the swing).
Tunes played more slowly than average will not likely work well.
The tune Irish Washerwoman will work really well.
Mac, who calls the dance quite often, lives in the St Louis area, where bands tend to
play fast driving tunes and few jigs, so his preference and experience might be 2)
I'm sure he will correct me on this if needed.
In either case, the caller should vigilant throughout the dance, ready to prompt the
dancers as needed to end the swing and start the the first circle.
I once called DuQuion Races at an open calling weekend, where often the bands and callers
do not coordinate dances with tunes.
The band played a tune where only the 16 count phrases were clear. The ends of the odd
8 count phrases were not. First time through the dance I unwittingly let the partners
swing for 16 beats.
I had the presence of mind to recover by calling the rest of the dance with the music 8
counts ahead of the dance.
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217-239-5844
________________________________
From: Delia Clark <deliaclark8(a)gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Fw: What is the best contra dance(s) ever written?
Catching up, Michael,
What kind of music do you feel works best / doesn't work with DuQuoin Races?
Delia
On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Michael Fuerst wrote:
Mac:
DuQuoin Races would be in my top five or ten, but certainly not the top one, probably
because the experience of dancing it varies with the music more than other dances..
<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>
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PO Box 45
Taftsville, VT 05073
802-457-2075
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1:02 p.m.
New subject: Music for DuQuoin Races
And can we get a copy of "March of the Coffee Zombies" or contact the
composer.
Rickey
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Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 10:40 AM
To: Michael Fuerst; Caller's discussion list
Subject: Re: [Callers] Music for DuQuoin Races
Hi all,
DuQuoin Races is one of my all time favorite dances. I have called it
numerous times with the Coffee Zombies and their fantastic set "March of the
Coffee Zombies". The march-like precision of the A parts and the flow of the
B parts work wonderfully with this tune set. Two of the three tunes were
written by Tom Cunningham, fiddler extraordinaire of the CZ's.
I also love dances by Becky Hill, especially "Kopp's on the Loose".
best,
Susan
On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:25 AM, Michael Fuerst wrote:
Hello Delia
All the moves take relatively short amounts of time to complete, and the
first
half has several balances on the odd phrases, and the B part starts
with a short swing on an odd phrase.
So either
1) bouncy jigs played at average or a bit faster than average speed
(my personal preference), or
2) reels played a bit faster than average, and which have **well defined
eight
count phrases** (so dancers can tell when to stop the swing).
Tunes played more slowly than average will not likely work well.
The tune Irish Washerwoman will work really well.
Mac, who calls the dance quite often, lives in the St Louis area,
where bands tend to play fast driving tunes and few jigs, so his
preference and
experience might be 2) I'm sure he will correct me on this if
needed.
In either case, the caller should vigilant throughout the dance, ready to
prompt
the dancers as needed to end the swing and start the the first
circle.
I once called DuQuion Races at an open calling weekend, where often the
bands and
callers do not coordinate dances with tunes.
The band played a tune where only the 16 count phrases
were clear. The
ends of the odd 8 count phrases were not. First time through the
dance I
unwittingly let the partners swing for 16 beats.
I had the presence of mind to recover by calling the
rest of the dance
with the music 8 counts ahead of the dance.
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217-239-5844
________________________________
From: Delia Clark <deliaclark8(a)gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Fw: What is the best contra dance(s) ever written?
Catching up, Michael,
What kind of music do you feel works best / doesn't work with DuQuoin
Races?
Delia
On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Michael Fuerst wrote:
> Mac:
>
> DuQuoin Races would be in my top five or ten, but certainly not the top
one,
probably because the experience of dancing it varies with the music
more than other dances..
<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>
Delia Clark
PO Box 45
Taftsville, VT 05073
802-457-2075
deliaclark8(a)gmail.com
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New subject: Music for DuQuoin Races
Yes, try this: tom(a)fiddletales.com tom(a)fiddletales.com
and this: http://us.myspace.com/coffeezombies
On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Rickey Holt wrote:
And can we get a copy of "March of the Coffee
Zombies" or contact the
composer.
Rickey
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Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 10:40 AM
To: Michael Fuerst; Caller's discussion list
Subject: Re: [Callers] Music for DuQuoin Races
Hi all,
DuQuoin Races is one of my all time favorite dances. I have called it
numerous times with the Coffee Zombies and their fantastic set "March of the
Coffee Zombies". The march-like precision of the A parts and the flow of the
B parts work wonderfully with this tune set. Two of the three tunes were
written by Tom Cunningham, fiddler extraordinaire of the CZ's.
I also love dances by Becky Hill, especially "Kopp's on the Loose".
best,
Susan
On Dec 2, 2012, at 1:25 AM, Michael Fuerst wrote:
Hello Delia
All the moves take relatively short amounts of time to complete, and the
first
half has several balances on the odd phrases, and the B part starts
with a short swing on an odd phrase.
So either
1) bouncy jigs played at average or a bit faster than average speed
(my personal preference), or
2) reels played a bit faster than average, and which have **well defined
eight
count phrases** (so dancers can tell when to stop the swing).
Tunes played more slowly than average will not likely work well.
The tune Irish Washerwoman will work really well.
Mac, who calls the dance quite often, lives in the St Louis area,
where bands tend to play fast driving tunes and few jigs, so his
preference and
experience might be 2) I'm sure he will correct me on this if
needed.
In either case, the caller should vigilant throughout the dance, ready to
prompt
the dancers as needed to end the swing and start the the first
circle.
I once called DuQuion Races at an open calling weekend, where often the
bands and
callers do not coordinate dances with tunes.
The band played a tune where only the 16 count
phrases were clear. The
ends of the odd 8 count phrases were not. First time
through the dance I
unwittingly let the partners swing for 16 beats.
I had the presence of mind to recover by calling
the rest of the dance
with the music 8 counts ahead of the dance.
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217-239-5844
________________________________
From: Delia Clark <deliaclark8(a)gmail.com>
To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Callers] Fw: What is the best contra dance(s) ever written?
Catching up, Michael,
What kind of music do you feel works best / doesn't work with DuQuoin
Races?
Delia
On Nov 30, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Michael Fuerst wrote:
> Mac:
>
> DuQuoin Races would be in my top five or ten, but certainly not the top
one,
probably because the experience of dancing it varies with the music
more than other dances..
<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>
Delia Clark
PO Box 45
Taftsville, VT 05073
802-457-2075
deliaclark8(a)gmail.com
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12:37 p.m.
New subject: Fw: What is the best contra dance(s) ever written?
To Have & To Hold by Don Flaherty Becket R (CCW)
A-1 LL F&B
Ladies Chain R Diagonal (those who can)
A-2 Pass Thru (across set) & Swing
B-1 Circle L 1X
Gents Al R 1X
B-2 Gent 2 Al L 1/2, Gent 3 Al R 1/2
P-S
Original has the 3 Allemandes happening all in second half of B-1. It's
your choice, really (tempo, crowd, etc.)
Notes: after Circle L, I have men step into long wavy line in center
(teaching purposes only). Identify Gent 1 in R hand, Gent 2 in L hand, and
P is on L Diagonal (gents destination). Drop L hands and start Al R.
Double progression (thank you David Smuckler & Chris Weiler for getting me
straight on this), so men at ends need to be ready to do 2 of the 3
Allemandes. Lady will be where P needs to get to for Swing, in case of end
of line confusion.
Was informed that at the end of the Circle, Gents need to give Ladies room
(to get out of the way) before Gents go into Allemande "frenzy".
I like to Becket R (in spite of some council saying it doesn't matter) to
help give dancers a little directional aid, as the dance *progresses to
the R*.
Enjoy,
Paul
PS If I am ever at a dance you are calling, I would be greatly
appreciative to have this one called.
PPS Thank you ever so much, Donna Hunt, for your wonderful generosity in
handing this to me in my early days. I still love it.
12:38 p.m.
On 11/30/2012 8:46 AM, Michael Fuerst wrote:
Bowl of Cherries, Improper by Sue Rosen
A1 N Dsd & swing
A2 Promenade across, W ch to P
B1 W gypsy each other, then sw P
B2 Circle left, Cross Trails (pass thru across, pass N by left shoulder to face new N)
I have a question about cross trails. Is it invariably done without
hands, done with hands, or is the use (or not) of hands a regional thing
like it is in Right and Left Through?
Kalia
12:45 p.m.
New subject: Fw: What is the best contra dance(s) ever written?
Kalia,
In Bowl of Cherries, the original calls for the cross trail without hands,
which tends to make it part of the amazingly smooth & flowing dance it is.
Hands help if you have beginners in the line. You can teach it with
hands, and then point out that the actual dance doesn't use hands at this
point. So many choices.
Men can gypsy, too (instead of Women), because the other partner is where
the swing takes place. OR, one person from each couple gypsy. Last time
through, EVERYBODY gypsy :-) (My apologies to Sue).
warmest regards,
Paul
11 Dec
11 Dec
9:30 p.m.
New subject: Fw: What is the best contra dance(s) ever written?
In Bowl of Cherries, is there a roll away neighbor missing in B2 after the
circle left?
In other words should it not read the following?
B2 Circle left, roll away neighbor on the side of the set, Cross trails
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 11/30/2012 8:46 AM, Michael Fuerst wrote:
Bowl of Cherries, Improper by Sue Rosen
A1 N Dsd & swing
A2 Promenade across, W ch to P
B1 W gypsy each other, then sw P
B2 Circle left, Cross Trails (pass thru across, pass N by left shoulder
to face new N)
I have a question about cross trails. Is it invariably done without
hands, done with hands, or is the use (or not) of hands a regional thing
like it is in Right and Left Through?
Kalia
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In B1, patners swing on the side of the set that the women started the dance.
Thus B2 should be
Circle Left 3/4, N's roll away on the side, cross trails (pass P rt cross,pass N
left)
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In Bowl of Cherries, is there a roll away neighbor missing in B2 after the
circle left?
In other words should it not read the following?
B2 Circle left, roll away neighbor on the side of the set, Cross trails
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Bowl of Cherries, Improper by Sue Rosen
A1 N Dsd & swing
A2 Promenade across, W ch to P
B1 W gypsy each other, then sw P
B2 Circle left, Cross Trails (pass thru across, pass N by left shoulder
to face new N)
I have a question about cross trails. Is it invariably done without
hands, done with hands, or is the use (or not) of hands a regional thing
like it is in Right and Left Through?
Kalia
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