Hi Mo, Yes, as with Petronella, the move used by contra dancers is very different from the move in the dance Mad Robin! Happy dancing, John From: mjw(a)mowaddington.plus.com <mailto:mjw@mowaddington.plus.com> &lt;mjw(a)mowaddington.plus.com <mailto:mjw@mowaddington.plus.com> > Sent: 17 September 2023 20:23 To: John Sweeney &lt;john(a)modernjive.com <mailto:john@modernjive.com> > Subject: RE: [Callers] Re: New Terminology Question I partly agree, having contorted my brain listening to a well known caller (“sh!”) describe a move then realise that he was describing a ladies chain. But I always wonder about mad Robin because that wasn’t how we did the move when I first learned the dance. Colin, did you learn it sideways?