8 Aug
2025
8 Aug
'25
7:15 p.m.
Hey all,
Long time lurker, first time poster.
This dance came to me on a hike. It's based on my favorite knock-knock joke
as a kid and the wonderful dance "Cows are Watching" by Bill Pope and Judy
Goldsmith.
Knock-Knock. *Who's there?* Interrupting cow. *Interrupting cow wh-* MOOOO!
I haven't tested it and I don't *really *know if it counts as a "new"
dance, but I think it's funny and wanted to share it with someone who might
appreciate it!
Cheers,
Sam
Interrupting Cow by Sam Winter
Contra / Becket / CCW
*based on "Cows are Watching" by Bill Pope and Judy Goldsmith*
A1: (8) Interrupted Square Through Two (NR, PL)
(8) Interrupted Square Through Two (NR, PL)
A2: (4) Neighbor balance across the set
(12) Larks draw Neighbor across and swing
B1: (4) Balance ring
(4) With Partner across, Robins roll away, Larks half sashay
(8) Zig left, zag right to N2
B2: (8) Larks allemande left 1 (and a bit) with new Lark
(8) Partner swing
Notes: I like the *idea *of starting with the B1 (so the interruption
happens in the middle), but not sure I really want to complicate things
with an indecent starting formation.
10 Aug
10 Aug
12:19 a.m.
Yeah, I hear you...but the cow joke doesn't work if you call it a balance
and square through. :-)
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025, 7:28 PM Joe Harrington via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
In a 6 count square through 2 without a balance, I
don't think the
pull-bys are happening on beats 2-3/5-6, nor on 1-2/4-5, with one beat to
set up or turn. They are either happening on 1-2-3-4 or 3-4-5-6, at least
when danced by experienced dancers who care about the music and can do the
move in time. Could it be that someone saw the chaos of different people
doing it on different beats and said, let's set this up with a balance and
then do the move together, in the same four beats, since it's more
interesting with the balance anyway?
Does that square (sorry) with history?
When did this move come into contra? Could that someone have been Tony
Parkes, or is the move with the balance older than Friday Night Fever?
As for what to call it, I'd be slow to make changes. I see some technical
value in searching databases for the balance/square-through combination
separately from non-balance square-throughs, but in cueing, I find "balance
and square through two" to be quicker and clearer than either
"interrupted"
or "balanced".
Thanks to Mac Mckeever for a relevant offline message.
--jh--
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 7:54 PM Jerome Grisanti <jerome.grisanti(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I use the move (balance, square thru two,
repeat), but don't use the term
balanced or interrupted (though I understand both in written instructions).
To dancers, I just orient with whom they will be doing it and say balance,
pull by (this person), pull by (that person). I call it a "square thru." I
understand that MWSD does not typically use balances in square thrus, so if
MWSD dancers are present I might explain the addition as a habit among
contra dancers. With contra dancers I might similarly explain when I use a
no-balance version of square thru.
—Jerome Grisanti
Jerome Grisanti
660-528-0858
http://www.jeromegrisanti.com
"Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius and
power and magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
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It's because with the balance and square
through, a little time is
stolen from the balances.
It also feels like a rushed figure, but there's recovery points.
My best (rough) estimate for the timing of a square through is 2 beats
per pull by
and 1 beat per 90 degree turn.
Tony Parkes original version of Friday Night Fever, with only one
balance, takes
the same timing approach. I'm not sure when two balances got added to
square throughs. Maybe "Al's Advice"?
Cheers,
-Chris Page
Los Angeles, CA
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 1:42 PM Joe Harrington via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
_______________________________________________
Oddly, in several dances with uninterrupted square through twos and
threes in
Caller's Box, the figure is given an extra two beats. What's
with that? See:
The Amazing Sarah Wilcox by Tom Hinds
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=6397
0.0238095238 or 1/42 by Gary Shapiro
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=12155
Square Route by Bob Isaacs and Chris Page
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=13707
--jh--
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 3:52 PM Bob Hofkin via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> I pulled Contra*Butions 3 off my shelf, and found the term "balanced
> square thru" (along with a definition). I'm sure Chris and Michael
have
> good reason for standardizing on
"interrupted" and I'm not about to
> challenge them.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On 08/09/2025 12:13, Bob Morgan via Contra Callers wrote:
> > Caller's Box only references interrupted square through
> >
> > Carol Ormand's Baling Hay does contain an interrupted square thru 2
> >
> > https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=1522
> > <
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=1522>
> >
> > I don't think I've come across balanced square through all that much
> > here. I would define either usage in teaching though.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 7:38 PM John Sweeney via Contra Callers
> > <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
> > <mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:
> >
> > The original “Rights & Lefts” was commonly four steps for each
of
> > four “changes”.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Square Dancers often do them at twice that speed, just two
steps for
> > each change.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > My guess is that Contra Dancers found four steps too slow and
wanted
> > to add more energy, so they
introduced the Balance Forward &
Back
> > then two quick changes.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Note: Square Dancers define Square Thru as finishing in the
> > direction you were facing for the last change, with your back
to the
> > person you just passed; Contra
Dancers liked the term, but
ignored
> > that bit of the definition! Aren’t
living traditions
wonderful?____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Of course, since a Balanced “Square Thru” is now a well-defined
> > contra term, an Interrupted one should surely be:____
> >
> > Pull by Right, give Left Hand & Balance F/B, Pull by Left____
> >
> > :-)____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Happy dancing,____
> >
> > John____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com
> > <mailto:john@modernjive.com> 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574____
> >
> > http://www.contrafusion.co.uk <http://www.contrafusion.co.uk>
for
> > Dancing in Kent____
> >
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9 Aug
9 Aug
10:27 p.m.
In a 6 count square through 2 without a balance, I don't think the pull-bys
are happening on beats 2-3/5-6, nor on 1-2/4-5, with one beat to set up or
turn. They are either happening on 1-2-3-4 or 3-4-5-6, at least when
danced by experienced dancers who care about the music and can do the move
in time. Could it be that someone saw the chaos of different people doing
it on different beats and said, let's set this up with a balance and then
do the move together, in the same four beats, since it's more interesting
with the balance anyway?
Does that square (sorry) with history?
When did this move come into contra? Could that someone have been Tony
Parkes, or is the move with the balance older than Friday Night Fever?
As for what to call it, I'd be slow to make changes. I see some technical
value in searching databases for the balance/square-through combination
separately from non-balance square-throughs, but in cueing, I find "balance
and square through two" to be quicker and clearer than either
"interrupted"
or "balanced".
Thanks to Mac Mckeever for a relevant offline message.
--jh--
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 7:54 PM Jerome Grisanti <jerome.grisanti(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I use the move (balance, square thru two, repeat), but
don't use the term
balanced or interrupted (though I understand both in written instructions).
To dancers, I just orient with whom they will be doing it and say balance,
pull by (this person), pull by (that person). I call it a "square thru." I
understand that MWSD does not typically use balances in square thrus, so if
MWSD dancers are present I might explain the addition as a habit among
contra dancers. With contra dancers I might similarly explain when I use a
no-balance version of square thru.
—Jerome Grisanti
Jerome Grisanti
660-528-0858
http://www.jeromegrisanti.com
"Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius and
power and magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025, 6:00 PM Chris Page via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
It's because with the balance and square
through, a little time is
stolen from the balances.
It also feels like a rushed figure, but there's recovery points.
My best (rough) estimate for the timing of a square through is 2 beats
per pull by
and 1 beat per 90 degree turn.
Tony Parkes original version of Friday Night Fever, with only one
balance, takes
the same timing approach. I'm not sure when two balances got added to
square throughs. Maybe "Al's Advice"?
Cheers,
-Chris Page
Los Angeles, CA
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 1:42 PM Joe Harrington via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
for
Oddly, in several dances with uninterrupted square through twos and
threes in
Caller's Box, the figure is given an extra two beats. What's
with that? See:
The Amazing Sarah Wilcox by Tom Hinds
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=6397
0.0238095238 or 1/42 by Gary Shapiro
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=12155
Square Route by Bob Isaacs and Chris Page
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=13707
--jh--
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 3:52 PM Bob Hofkin via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I pulled Contra*Butions 3 off my shelf, and found the term "balanced
square thru" (along with a definition). I'm sure Chris and Michael have
good reason for standardizing on "interrupted" and I'm not about to
challenge them.
Bob
On 08/09/2025 12:13, Bob Morgan via Contra Callers wrote:
> Caller's Box only references interrupted square through
>
> Carol Ormand's Baling Hay does contain an interrupted square thru 2
>
> https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=1522
> <https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=1522
> >
> > I don't think I've come across balanced square through all that much
> > here. I would define either usage in teaching though.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 7:38 PM John Sweeney via Contra Callers
> > <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
> > <mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:
> >
> > The original “Rights & Lefts” was commonly four steps for each of
> > four “changes”.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Square Dancers often do them at twice that speed, just two steps > > each change.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > My guess is that Contra Dancers found four steps too slow and
wanted
> > to add more energy, so they
introduced the Balance Forward & Back
> > then two quick changes.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Note: Square Dancers define Square Thru as finishing in the
> > direction you were facing for the last change, with your back to
the
> > person you just passed; Contra
Dancers liked the term, but
ignored
> > that bit of the definition! Aren’t
living traditions
wonderful?____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Of course, since a Balanced “Square Thru” is now a well-defined
> > contra term, an Interrupted one should surely be:____
> >
> > Pull by Right, give Left Hand & Balance F/B, Pull by Left____
> >
> > :-)____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Happy dancing,____
> >
> > John____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com
> > <mailto:john@modernjive.com> 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574____
> >
> > http://www.contrafusion.co.uk <http://www.contrafusion.co.uk>
for
> > Dancing in Kent____
> >
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7:54 p.m.
I use the move (balance, square thru two, repeat), but don't use the term
balanced or interrupted (though I understand both in written instructions).
To dancers, I just orient with whom they will be doing it and say balance,
pull by (this person), pull by (that person). I call it a "square thru." I
understand that MWSD does not typically use balances in square thrus, so if
MWSD dancers are present I might explain the addition as a habit among
contra dancers. With contra dancers I might similarly explain when I use a
no-balance version of square thru.
—Jerome Grisanti
Jerome Grisanti
660-528-0858
http://www.jeromegrisanti.com
"Whatever you do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius and power
and magic in it." --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025, 6:00 PM Chris Page via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
It's because with the balance and square through,
a little time is
stolen from the balances.
It also feels like a rushed figure, but there's recovery points.
My best (rough) estimate for the timing of a square through is 2 beats
per pull by
and 1 beat per 90 degree turn.
Tony Parkes original version of Friday Night Fever, with only one balance,
takes
the same timing approach. I'm not sure when two balances got added to
square throughs. Maybe "Al's Advice"?
Cheers,
-Chris Page
Los Angeles, CA
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 1:42 PM Joe Harrington via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Oddly, in several dances with uninterrupted square through twos and
threes in
Caller's Box, the figure is given an extra two beats. What's
with that? See:
The Amazing Sarah Wilcox by Tom Hinds
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=6397
0.0238095238 or 1/42 by Gary Shapiro
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=12155
Square Route by Bob Isaacs and Chris Page
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=13707
--jh--
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 3:52 PM Bob Hofkin via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> I pulled Contra*Butions 3 off my shelf, and found the term "balanced
> square thru" (along with a definition). I'm sure Chris and Michael have
> good reason for standardizing on "interrupted" and I'm not about to
> challenge them.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On 08/09/2025 12:13, Bob Morgan via Contra Callers wrote:
> > Caller's Box only references interrupted square through
> >
> > Carol Ormand's Baling Hay does contain an interrupted square thru 2
> >
> > https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=1522
> > <https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=1522>
> >
> > I don't think I've come across balanced square through all that much
> > here. I would define either usage in teaching though.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 7:38 PM John Sweeney via Contra Callers
> > <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
> > <mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:
> >
> > The original “Rights & Lefts” was commonly four steps for each of
> > four “changes”.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Square Dancers often do them at twice that speed, just two steps
for
> > each change.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > My guess is that Contra Dancers found four steps too slow and
wanted
> > to add more energy, so they
introduced the Balance Forward & Back
> > then two quick changes.____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Note: Square Dancers define Square Thru as finishing in the
> > direction you were facing for the last change, with your back to
the
> > person you just passed; Contra
Dancers liked the term, but ignored
> > that bit of the definition! Aren’t living traditions
wonderful?____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Of course, since a Balanced “Square Thru” is now a well-defined
> > contra term, an Interrupted one should surely be:____
> >
> > Pull by Right, give Left Hand & Balance F/B, Pull by Left____
> >
> > :-)____
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Happy dancing,____
> >
> > John____
> >
> > ____
> >
> > John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com
> > <mailto:john@modernjive.com> 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574____
> >
> > http://www.contrafusion.co.uk <http://www.contrafusion.co.uk> for
> > Dancing in Kent____
> >
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6:05 p.m.
It's because with the balance and square through, a little time is
stolen from the balances.
It also feels like a rushed figure, but there's recovery points.
My best (rough) estimate for the timing of a square through is 2 beats
per pull by
and 1 beat per 90 degree turn.
Tony Parkes original version of Friday Night Fever, with only one balance, takes
the same timing approach. I'm not sure when two balances got added to
square throughs. Maybe "Al's Advice"?
Cheers,
-Chris Page
Los Angeles, CA
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 1:42 PM Joe Harrington via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Oddly, in several dances with uninterrupted square through twos and threes in
Caller's Box, the figure is given an extra two beats. What's with that? See:
The Amazing Sarah Wilcox by Tom Hinds
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=6397
0.0238095238 or 1/42 by Gary Shapiro
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=12155
Square Route by Bob Isaacs and Chris Page
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=13707
--jh--
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 3:52 PM Bob Hofkin via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I pulled Contra*Butions 3 off my shelf, and found the term "balanced
square thru" (along with a definition). I'm sure Chris and Michael have
good reason for standardizing on "interrupted" and I'm not about to
challenge them.
Bob
On 08/09/2025 12:13, Bob Morgan via Contra Callers wrote:
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To unsubscribe send an email to contracallers-leave(a)lists.sharedweight.net Caller's Box only references interrupted
square through
Carol Ormand's Baling Hay does contain an interrupted square thru 2
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=1522
<https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=1522>
I don't think I've come across balanced square through all that much
here. I would define either usage in teaching though.
Bob
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 7:38 PM John Sweeney via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
<mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:
The original “Rights & Lefts” was commonly four steps for each of
four “changes”.____
__ __
Square Dancers often do them at twice that speed, just two steps for
each change.____
__ __
My guess is that Contra Dancers found four steps too slow and wanted
to add more energy, so they introduced the Balance Forward & Back
then two quick changes.____
__ __
Note: Square Dancers define Square Thru as finishing in the
direction you were facing for the last change, with your back to the
person you just passed; Contra Dancers liked the term, but ignored
that bit of the definition! Aren’t living traditions wonderful?____
__ __
Of course, since a Balanced “Square Thru” is now a well-defined
contra term, an Interrupted one should surely be:____
Pull by Right, give Left Hand & Balance F/B, Pull by Left____
:-)____
__ __
Happy dancing,____
John____
____
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com
<mailto:john@modernjive.com> 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574____
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk <http://www.contrafusion.co.uk> for
Dancing in Kent____
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6:02 p.m.
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 12:52 PM Bob Hofkin via Contra Callers
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I pulled Contra*Butions 3 off my shelf, and found the term "balanced
square thru" (along with a definition). I'm sure Chris and Michael have
good reason for standardizing on "interrupted" and I'm not about to
challenge them.
Bob
Thank you for the vote of confidence, but sometimes these things
"just happen". I picked up interrupted square through from Bob
Isaacs, who used to notate his dances with two balances and four square
throughs within the same minor set as
A1: 4,4 Balance, interrupted square through four
4,4 Balance, interrupted square through four
In his more recent dance transcriptions, he no longer uses the word
"interrupted."
I picked it up anyway, and used that as a standard, which then
wound up getting used when my database got ported over to
Caller's Box years later.
The notation used to be
(4) Partner balance (RH)
(4) Interrupted square through 2 (PR;NL)
(4) Partner balance (RH)
(4) Interrupted square through 2 (PR;NL)
It bothered me enough to tweak things about a year or two ago.
(16) Interrupted square through 4:
(4) Partner balance (RH)
(4) Square through 2 (PR;NL)
(4) Partner balance (RH)
(4) Square through 2 (PR;NL)
At least this is clearer because there's no longer a figure
called "interrupted square through" that is in some way
different from "square through", and it serves as a
searchable term. The downside is some callers will
see it and inflict the additional word "interrupted" on dancers.
Having danced on the coasts, I hadn't heard the phrase
"balanced square through" enough. Thoughts on switching
out "interrupted square through" with "balanced square through"?
It still preserves the block structure, so it's clear it's one large figure.
And it's still a searchable term, so people can check for that
category of thing.
Cheers,
-Chris Page
Los Angeles, CA
5:44 p.m.
I always understood the "interruption" was the balance between two pull bys
the square thru 4. So, perhaps pedantically, by definition a balance and 2
pull bys has no "interruption".
In dance,
Julian Blechner
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025, 5:29 PM Michael Fuerst via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Sam noted: " I don't *really *know if it
counts as a "new" dance,"
An often occurring issue.
Considering the great financial gains a new contradance will not bring its
author, the ostensibly amorphous, unspoken tradition allows staking a
"new dance" claim upon significantly changing a distinctive 50% of a
dance. Of course the music industry has no such tradition.
On Fri, Aug 8, 2025 at 6:16 PM Sam Winter via Contra Callers <
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Hey all,
Long time lurker, first time poster.
This dance came to me on a hike. It's based on my favorite knock-knock
joke as a kid and the wonderful dance "Cows are Watching" by Bill Pope and
Judy Goldsmith.
Knock-Knock. *Who's there?* Interrupting cow. *Interrupting cow wh-*
MOOOO!
I haven't tested it and I don't *really *know if it counts as a "new"
dance, but I think it's funny and wanted to share it with someone who might
appreciate it!
Cheers,
Sam
Interrupting Cow by Sam Winter
Contra / Becket / CCW
*based on "Cows are Watching" by Bill Pope and Judy Goldsmith*
A1: (8) Interrupted Square Through Two (NR, PL)
(8) Interrupted Square Through Two (NR, PL)
A2: (4) Neighbor balance across the set
(12) Larks draw Neighbor across and swing
B1: (4) Balance ring
(4) With Partner across, Robins roll away, Larks half sashay
(8) Zig left, zag right to N2
B2: (8) Larks allemande left 1 (and a bit) with new Lark
(8) Partner swing
Notes: I like the *idea *of starting with the B1 (so the interruption
happens in the middle), but not sure I really want to complicate things
with an indecent starting formation.
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Sam noted: " I don't *really *know if it counts as a "new"
dance,"
An often occurring issue.
Considering the great financial gains a new contradance will not bring its
author, the ostensibly amorphous, unspoken tradition allows staking a
"new dance" claim upon significantly changing a distinctive 50% of a
dance. Of course the music industry has no such tradition.
On Fri, Aug 8, 2025 at 6:16 PM Sam Winter via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hey all,
Long time lurker, first time poster.
This dance came to me on a hike. It's based on my favorite knock-knock
joke as a kid and the wonderful dance "Cows are Watching" by Bill Pope and
Judy Goldsmith.
Knock-Knock. *Who's there?* Interrupting cow. *Interrupting cow wh-*
MOOOO!
I haven't tested it and I don't *really *know if it counts as a "new"
dance, but I think it's funny and wanted to share it with someone who might
appreciate it!
Cheers,
Sam
Interrupting Cow by Sam Winter
Contra / Becket / CCW
*based on "Cows are Watching" by Bill Pope and Judy Goldsmith*
A1: (8) Interrupted Square Through Two (NR, PL)
(8) Interrupted Square Through Two (NR, PL)
A2: (4) Neighbor balance across the set
(12) Larks draw Neighbor across and swing
B1: (4) Balance ring
(4) With Partner across, Robins roll away, Larks half sashay
(8) Zig left, zag right to N2
B2: (8) Larks allemande left 1 (and a bit) with new Lark
(8) Partner swing
Notes: I like the *idea *of starting with the B1 (so the interruption
happens in the middle), but not sure I really want to complicate things
with an indecent starting formation.
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4:42 p.m.
Oddly, in several dances with uninterrupted square through twos and threes
in Caller's Box, the figure is given an extra two beats. What's with
that? See:
The Amazing Sarah Wilcox by Tom Hinds
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=6397
0.0238095238 or 1/42 by Gary Shapiro
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=12155
Square Route by Bob Isaacs and Chris Page
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=13707
--jh--
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 3:52 PM Bob Hofkin via Contra Callers <
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I pulled Contra*Butions 3 off my shelf, and found the
term "balanced
square thru" (along with a definition). I'm sure Chris and Michael have
good reason for standardizing on "interrupted" and I'm not about to
challenge them.
Bob
On 08/09/2025 12:13, Bob Morgan via Contra Callers wrote:
Caller's Box only references interrupted
square through
Carol Ormand's Baling Hay does contain an interrupted square thru 2
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=1522
<https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=1522>
I don't think I've come across balanced square through all that much
here. I would define either usage in teaching though.
Bob
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The original “Rights & Lefts” was commonly four steps for each of
four “changes”.____
__ __
Square Dancers often do them at twice that speed, just two steps for
each change.____
__ __
My guess is that Contra Dancers found four steps too slow and wanted
to add more energy, so they introduced the Balance Forward & Back
then two quick changes.____
__ __
Note: Square Dancers define Square Thru as finishing in the
direction you were facing for the last change, with your back to the
person you just passed; Contra Dancers liked the term, but ignored
that bit of the definition! Aren’t living traditions wonderful?____
__ __
Of course, since a Balanced “Square Thru” is now a well-defined
contra term, an Interrupted one should surely be:____
Pull by Right, give Left Hand & Balance F/B, Pull by Left____
:-)____
__ __
Happy dancing,____
John____
____
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I pulled Contra*Butions 3 off my shelf, and found the term "balanced
square thru" (along with a definition). I'm sure Chris and Michael have
good reason for standardizing on "interrupted" and I'm not about to
challenge them.
Bob
On 08/09/2025 12:13, Bob Morgan via Contra Callers wrote:
Caller's Box only references interrupted square
through
Carol Ormand's Baling Hay does contain an interrupted square thru 2
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=1522
<https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=1522>
I don't think I've come across balanced square through all that much
here. I would define either usage in teaching though.
Bob
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 7:38 PM John Sweeney via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
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The original “Rights & Lefts” was commonly four steps for each of
four “changes”.____
__ __
Square Dancers often do them at twice that speed, just two steps for
each change.____
__ __
My guess is that Contra Dancers found four steps too slow and wanted
to add more energy, so they introduced the Balance Forward & Back
then two quick changes.____
__ __
Note: Square Dancers define Square Thru as finishing in the
direction you were facing for the last change, with your back to the
person you just passed; Contra Dancers liked the term, but ignored
that bit of the definition! Aren’t living traditions wonderful?____
__ __
Of course, since a Balanced “Square Thru” is now a well-defined
contra term, an Interrupted one should surely be:____
Pull by Right, give Left Hand & Balance F/B, Pull by Left____
:-)____
__ __
Happy dancing,____
John____
____
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com
<mailto:john@modernjive.com> 01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574____
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk <http://www.contrafusion.co.uk> for
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3:49 p.m.
How interesting! I've never encountered it as balanced square through. I've
mostly danced in the southeastern US and California.
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025, 12:18 PM Sivier, Jonathan E via Contra Callers <
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Perhaps this is one of the remaining regional
differences in terminology.
I have always (30+ years) heard it called a Balanced Square Through.
Jonathan
Central Illinois
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*Subject:* [Callers] Re: Interrupting Cow - ("new" dance )
Caller's Box only references interrupted square through
Carol Ormand's Baling Hay does contain an interrupted square thru 2
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=1522
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=1522__;!!DZ3fjg!5h5-PCFZTgFA1bXeERsELPC4-tFWt97ANN2TesRMkYfyY-nMNW5BjivbiXq9y8Cxd7B_oMu8-94u3_hYNAI5mnMEM63JA2rPOrkt$>
I don't think I've come across balanced square through all that much
here. I would define either usage in teaching though.
Bob
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 7:38 PM John Sweeney via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
The original “Rights & Lefts” was commonly four steps for each of four
“changes”.
Square Dancers often do them at twice that speed, just two steps for each
change.
My guess is that Contra Dancers found four steps too slow and wanted to
add more energy, so they introduced the Balance Forward & Back then two
quick changes.
Note: Square Dancers define Square Thru as finishing in the direction you
were facing for the last change, with your back to the person you just
passed; Contra Dancers liked the term, but ignored that bit of the
definition! Aren’t living traditions wonderful?
Of course, since a Balanced “Square Thru” is now a well-defined contra
term, an Interrupted one should surely be:
Pull by Right, give Left Hand & Balance F/B, Pull by Left
:-)
Happy dancing,
John
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940 574
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3:17 p.m.
Perhaps this is one of the remaining regional differences in terminology. I have always
(30+ years) heard it called a Balanced Square Through.
Jonathan
Central Illinois
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Subject: [Callers] Re: Interrupting Cow - ("new" dance )
Caller's Box only references interrupted square through
Carol Ormand's Baling Hay does contain an interrupted square thru 2
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=1522<http…
I don't think I've come across balanced square through all that much here. I
would define either usage in teaching though.
Bob
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 7:38 PM John Sweeney via Contra Callers
<contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net<mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>>
wrote:
The original “Rights & Lefts” was commonly four steps for each of four “changes”.
Square Dancers often do them at twice that speed, just two steps for each change.
My guess is that Contra Dancers found four steps too slow and wanted to add more energy,
so they introduced the Balance Forward & Back then two quick changes.
Note: Square Dancers define Square Thru as finishing in the direction you were facing for
the last change, with your back to the person you just passed; Contra Dancers liked the
term, but ignored that bit of the definition! Aren’t living traditions wonderful?
Of course, since a Balanced “Square Thru” is now a well-defined contra term, an
Interrupted one should surely be:
Pull by Right, give Left Hand & Balance F/B, Pull by Left
:-)
Happy dancing,
John
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3:13 p.m.
Caller's Box only references interrupted square through
Carol Ormand's Baling Hay does contain an interrupted square thru 2
https://www.ibiblio.org/contradance/thecallersbox/dance.php?id=1522
I don't think I've come across balanced square through all that much here.
I would define either usage in teaching though.
Bob
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 7:38 PM John Sweeney via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
The original “Rights & Lefts” was commonly four
steps for each of four
“changes”.
Square Dancers often do them at twice that speed, just two steps for each
change.
My guess is that Contra Dancers found four steps too slow and wanted to
add more energy, so they introduced the Balance Forward & Back then two
quick changes.
Note: Square Dancers define Square Thru as finishing in the direction you
were facing for the last change, with your back to the person you just
passed; Contra Dancers liked the term, but ignored that bit of the
definition! Aren’t living traditions wonderful?
Of course, since a Balanced “Square Thru” is now a well-defined contra
term, an Interrupted one should surely be:
Pull by Right, give Left Hand & Balance F/B, Pull by Left
:-)
Happy dancing,
John
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2:38 p.m.
The original “Rights & Lefts” was commonly four steps for each of four “changes”.
Square Dancers often do them at twice that speed, just two steps for each change.
My guess is that Contra Dancers found four steps too slow and wanted to add more energy,
so they introduced the Balance Forward & Back then two quick changes.
Note: Square Dancers define Square Thru as finishing in the direction you were facing for
the last change, with your back to the person you just passed; Contra Dancers liked the
term, but ignored that bit of the definition! Aren’t living traditions wonderful?
Of course, since a Balanced “Square Thru” is now a well-defined contra term, an
Interrupted one should surely be:
Pull by Right, give Left Hand & Balance F/B, Pull by Left
:-)
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com <mailto:john@modernjive.com>
01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
2:27 p.m.
Thanks. No new move then. Just a new name. Claire
*Claire Baffaut*
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025, 13:19 Sivier, Jonathan E via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I'm guessing this is what I have always called a
Balanced Square Through.
Typically it is a 16 beat figure. You take right hands with your partner,
balance, pull by right, pull by left with neighbor, take right hands again
with your partner, balance, pull by right, pull by left with neighbor. You
end up where you started.
Sometimes it starts with the neighbor, but the sequence is the same. It
is basically 4 changes of rights and lefts with a balance thrown in before
each right hand pass. Thus interupting.
Jonathan
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*Subject:* [Callers] Re: Interrupting Cow - ("new" dance )
Could you explain what is interrupted square through 2? I have not heard
that yet.
Claire
*Claire Baffaut*
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025, 08:32 Angela DeCarlis via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I think the bit is hilarious, and I like the dance too! I may call it in
the next couple weeks — I'll try to remember to take a video if I do.
Nicely done!
On Fri, Aug 8, 2025, 7:16 PM Sam Winter via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hey all,
Long time lurker, first time poster.
This dance came to me on a hike. It's based on my favorite knock-knock
joke as a kid and the wonderful dance "Cows are Watching" by Bill Pope and
Judy Goldsmith.
Knock-Knock. *Who's there?* Interrupting cow. *Interrupting cow wh-*
MOOOO!
I haven't tested it and I don't *really *know if it counts as a "new"
dance, but I think it's funny and wanted to share it with someone who might
appreciate it!
Cheers,
Sam
Interrupting Cow by Sam Winter
Contra / Becket / CCW
*based on "Cows are Watching" by Bill Pope and Judy Goldsmith*
A1: (8) Interrupted Square Through Two (NR, PL)
(8) Interrupted Square Through Two (NR, PL)
A2: (4) Neighbor balance across the set
(12) Larks draw Neighbor across and swing
B1: (4) Balance ring
(4) With Partner across, Robins roll away, Larks half sashay
(8) Zig left, zag right to N2
B2: (8) Larks allemande left 1 (and a bit) with new Lark
(8) Partner swing
Notes: I like the *idea *of starting with the B1 (so the interruption
happens in the middle), but not sure I really want to complicate things
with an indecent starting formation.
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2:18 p.m.
I'm guessing this is what I have always called a Balanced Square Through. Typically
it is a 16 beat figure. You take right hands with your partner, balance, pull by right,
pull by left with neighbor, take right hands again with your partner, balance, pull by
right, pull by left with neighbor. You end up where you started.
Sometimes it starts with the neighbor, but the sequence is the same. It is basically 4
changes of rights and lefts with a balance thrown in before each right hand pass. Thus
interupting.
Jonathan
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Subject: [Callers] Re: Interrupting Cow - ("new" dance )
Could you explain what is interrupted square through 2? I have not heard that yet.
Claire
Claire Baffaut
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wrote:
I think the bit is hilarious, and I like the dance too! I may call it in the next couple
weeks — I'll try to remember to take a video if I do. Nicely done!
On Fri, Aug 8, 2025, 7:16 PM Sam Winter via Contra Callers
<contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net<mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>>
wrote:
Hey all,
Long time lurker, first time poster.
This dance came to me on a hike. It's based on my favorite knock-knock joke as a kid
and the wonderful dance "Cows are Watching" by Bill Pope and Judy Goldsmith.
Knock-Knock. Who's there? Interrupting cow. Interrupting cow wh- MOOOO!
I haven't tested it and I don't really know if it counts as a "new"
dance, but I think it's funny and wanted to share it with someone who might appreciate
it!
Cheers,
Sam
Interrupting Cow by Sam Winter
Contra / Becket / CCW
based on "Cows are Watching" by Bill Pope and Judy Goldsmith
A1: (8) Interrupted Square Through Two (NR, PL)
(8) Interrupted Square Through Two (NR, PL)
A2: (4) Neighbor balance across the set
(12) Larks draw Neighbor across and swing
B1: (4) Balance ring
(4) With Partner across, Robins roll away, Larks half sashay
(8) Zig left, zag right to N2
B2: (8) Larks allemande left 1 (and a bit) with new Lark
(8) Partner swing
Notes: I like the idea of starting with the B1 (so the interruption happens in the
middle), but not sure I really want to complicate things with an indecent starting
formation.
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1:59 p.m.
Could you explain what is interrupted square through 2? I have not heard
that yet.
Claire
*Claire Baffaut*
On Sat, Aug 9, 2025, 08:32 Angela DeCarlis via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I think the bit is hilarious, and I like the dance
too! I may call it in
the next couple weeks — I'll try to remember to take a video if I do.
Nicely done!
On Fri, Aug 8, 2025, 7:16 PM Sam Winter via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hey all,
Long time lurker, first time poster.
This dance came to me on a hike. It's based on my favorite knock-knock
joke as a kid and the wonderful dance "Cows are Watching" by Bill Pope and
Judy Goldsmith.
Knock-Knock. *Who's there?* Interrupting cow. *Interrupting cow wh-*
MOOOO!
I haven't tested it and I don't *really *know if it counts as a "new"
dance, but I think it's funny and wanted to share it with someone who might
appreciate it!
Cheers,
Sam
Interrupting Cow by Sam Winter
Contra / Becket / CCW
*based on "Cows are Watching" by Bill Pope and Judy Goldsmith*
A1: (8) Interrupted Square Through Two (NR, PL)
(8) Interrupted Square Through Two (NR, PL)
A2: (4) Neighbor balance across the set
(12) Larks draw Neighbor across and swing
B1: (4) Balance ring
(4) With Partner across, Robins roll away, Larks half sashay
(8) Zig left, zag right to N2
B2: (8) Larks allemande left 1 (and a bit) with new Lark
(8) Partner swing
Notes: I like the *idea *of starting with the B1 (so the interruption
happens in the middle), but not sure I really want to complicate things
with an indecent starting formation.
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9:32 a.m.
I think the bit is hilarious, and I like the dance too! I may call it in
the next couple weeks — I'll try to remember to take a video if I do.
Nicely done!
On Fri, Aug 8, 2025, 7:16 PM Sam Winter via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hey all,
Long time lurker, first time poster.
This dance came to me on a hike. It's based on my favorite knock-knock
joke as a kid and the wonderful dance "Cows are Watching" by Bill Pope and
Judy Goldsmith.
Knock-Knock. *Who's there?* Interrupting cow. *Interrupting cow wh-*
MOOOO!
I haven't tested it and I don't *really *know if it counts as a "new"
dance, but I think it's funny and wanted to share it with someone who might
appreciate it!
Cheers,
Sam
Interrupting Cow by Sam Winter
Contra / Becket / CCW
*based on "Cows are Watching" by Bill Pope and Judy Goldsmith*
A1: (8) Interrupted Square Through Two (NR, PL)
(8) Interrupted Square Through Two (NR, PL)
A2: (4) Neighbor balance across the set
(12) Larks draw Neighbor across and swing
B1: (4) Balance ring
(4) With Partner across, Robins roll away, Larks half sashay
(8) Zig left, zag right to N2
B2: (8) Larks allemande left 1 (and a bit) with new Lark
(8) Partner swing
Notes: I like the *idea *of starting with the B1 (so the interruption
happens in the middle), but not sure I really want to complicate things
with an indecent starting formation.
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