Just to be clear, the "cloverleaf" moves in these two dances are entirely different animals. Sue Rosen's is "cloverleaf turn single", adapted from English country dancing, and Rick Mohr's is a connected cloverleaf group turn (which comes out of a cozy line), adapted from Fred Feild's "Symmetrical Force". (I find I have a very hard time getting everyone to get the mirror symmetry intended in the turn in Handsome Young Maids, and of course contra dancers would rather spin the turn than walk a true four-step "turn single". These are aesthetic points, more than functional ones and undoubtedly annoy me, watching from the stage, more than the dancers on the floor. ;-) Struggles in getting the cloverleaf in Symmetrical Force are inevitable, but they're mostly just amusing -- not painful, hopefully! --, and people sometimes get a sense of achievement when they finally figure it out.) You might be wanting to minimize the "down-the-hall" components of your overall program, but I'd think you'd be safe doing both; I agree that if you are going for a third cloverleaf (for a St. Pat's program), a dance with no "down-the-hall" would be nice to have. ~ Becky Nankivell Tucson, Ariz. & Long Beach, Calif. ------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:43:21 -0500 From: tavi merrill <melodiouswoodchuck(a)gmail.com> To: callers(a)sharedweight.net Subject: Re: [Callers] Dances for St. Paddy's day Message-ID: <CA+hGDsU42zOPjg4eiDXCc7A0W-M6bToBuPJiKcgQktfBPGvjSQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sue Rosen's "Handsome Young Maids" and Rick Mohr's "Connectrix" both have a "cloverleaf" figure, in both cases tied to a down-the-hall. Does anyone know of dances where the cloverleaf occurs without a down-the-hall? tavi