I’ve been very concerned that Wikipedia has so little square dance history, and what there
is has been superficial and sometimes misleading/inaccurate.
From my viewpoint there are two snags to improving things:
1. I know (or am pretty sure of) a lot of things that I can’t cite sources for. One of
Wiki’s taboos is original research; sources cited must be secondary, not primary. I’m
steeped enough in SD history that a lot of what I could say would probably count as
original research.
2. There are three Wikipedia articles on SD: “Modern western square dance”; “Traditional
square dance”; and “Square dance”, which was originally intended to be very generic and to
point readers to the other two articles for in-depth treatment. I’ve never decided in my
own mind, let alone fostered any consensus, in which article any statements on history
belong. I commented, some years ago, on the “Talk” pages of the SD articles, trying to get
other folks’ opinions on how to organize the historical section(s); I never heard back
from anyone. (What I wanted to avoid was a duplication of effort, particularly if the same
historical events were treated differently on, say, the MWSD and Trad pages. Another Wiki
rule is “neutral point of view.” I have deleted links to outside sources that explain
traditional SD from a blatantly MWSD viewpoint.)
I’d love to see the Wiki articles improved, and more historical material added. But I’m
not sure I’m the one to do it.
Tony Parkes
Billerica, Mass.
www.hands4.com<http://www.hands4.com/>
New book! Square Dance Calling: An Old Art for a New Century
(available now)
From: Julian Blechner via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2023 9:12 AM
To: John Sweeney <john(a)modernjive.com>
Cc: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
Subject: [Callers] Re: Wikipedia Dance Vandalism
John,
I looked at the version before your edits; that was pretty egregious, and I'm glad
that's fixed.
I'll put a disclaimer for the remainder of this reply:
I'd be interested to hear takes on this from American square and contra historians on
this subject, whether it's from this list or any discussion that might spin off
elsewhere.
...
So, while I do think that the edit that you removed, John, was appropriate, and I think
labeling the whole dance form as "racist" is inaccurate an enormous disservice,
I do think that the wikipedia page could use more examination.
The entry doesn't mention contributions of black Americans at all.
This line here:
" This practice became common by the early 1900s and gave rise to the modern
caller.[9]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_dance#cite_note-:0-9>…
has the citation for Phil Jamison's book on the subject, and Jamison is pretty clear
that the contribution by black Americans was both widespread and critical to how calling
evolved.
So if I were going to suggest an edit to the page, I think that this line be revised to
mention the 1800s instead of the 1900s (or both) and mention the role of black American
servants and slaves in the rise of calling, since that's a major topic in
Jamison's book.
I didn't have time to look through all past revisions; I'm unsure if that had been
included and then edited. But that may be worth looking into as well. It's possible
that this sort of content was in past revisions, and whitewashed by other editors.
Interestingly, while Henry Ford's wikipedia page has a section on his
racism/antisemitism, it doesn't mention any of his musical interests, not even his
fiddle playing.
Given he poured large sums of money into promoting contras and squares, that seems like an
oversight. But that page is a whole nother discussion, I suppose.
Back to the Square Dancing page - it does have a few sentences about how it grew in the
30s, 40, and the 50s revival - but doesn't mention Ford in the 20s at all.
A quick summation:
https://www.americanheritage.com/square-dancing-master
It's also perhaps worth considering that there were concerted efforts by lawmakers
over decades to make square dancing the "official" dancing.
And it was very successful, given how many American elementary school programs taught /
teach square dancing and no other dance forms. (John, I'm unsure how aware or not
aware you are of this, as a UK person.)
A solid read on this subject:
https://qz.com/1153516/americas-wholesome-square-dancing-tradition-is-a-too…
In dance,
Julian Blechner
he/him
Western Mass
On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 6:10 AM John Sweeney via Contra Callers
<contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net<mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>>
wrote:
Hi all,
The Wikipedia “Square Dance” entry, which covers all Square Dance (Playford,
ECD, MWSD, traditional American, Irish, etc.) was recently vandalised with claims that
Square Dancing is racist and antisemitic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_dance
These claims have now been removed. But, in order to show how far from the
truth they are, I thought it might be nice to set up a page which showed all the different
styles of Square Dancing from around the world and across time.
I therefore created this page:
http://contrafusion.co.uk/SquareDanceHistory.html with a brief history and lots of diverse
videos.
I would be grateful for any additions, corrections, suggestions, etc.,
especially for suggestions of videos which show any other forms of Square Dancing, or from
any other countries.
Please let me know if you have any good ideas.
Thanks.
Happy dancing,
John
John Sweeney, Dancer, England john@modernjive.com<mailto:john@modernjive.com>
01233 625 362 & 07802 940 574
http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent
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