8 Oct
2019
8 Oct
'19
12:41 a.m.
I generally call the move "two-eye turn". This seems to work just fine,
and it captures the choreographic essence of the movement -- the walk
around each other with a looking contact.
IMO, right-shoulder round and left-shoulder round are like the
square-dance move "weave the line" around one person. Nothing about
eye-contact or even looking at each other. I don't like those terms.
Of course, when I teach the two-eye turn in pre-dance lessons, I always
advise that it's just looking at each other, that you don't need to
stare or even look at eyes, that you can choose to read the T-shirt or
look at a forehead or anything you feel comfortable with. And I like
your idea of including the concept of playfulness or whimsy (concepts
that are sometimes missing on the dance floor.)
(Thinking about this move -- it's actually a four-eye turn, but that
gets weird.)
Woody Lane
On 10/7/2019 5:45 PM, Amy Wimmer via Callers wrote:
I'm experimenting with teaching this move as a
right shoulder 'round,
but describing it as friendly/playful. I will try subbing one of those
words for RSR. I think it gets the idea of a face-to-face move without
the flirty/slur. I know, I know, there are tons of suggestions out
there. None of them that I've heard get the attitude across, and
suggest face-to-face without actually calling it FTF, or "eyeballs" or
something, or without sounding almost exactly like the G word. I know
many people are uncomfortable with eye contact, but the interaction
has been missing when I call it RSR, and I hear folks being wistful
for that. I think a "playful" might bring the spark back, eliminate
confused do-si-doing, and be rather fun.
-Amy
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 12:19 PM Becky Liddle via Callers
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We should avoid the term “gypsy” in all ways, in my opinion, not
just as an official dance call. In some areas of the world it is a
racial slur akin to the N word. It has been reclaimed by some Roma
in the same way some lesbians have reclaimed “dyke” but when a
term is reclaimed, it can still only be used by a member of the
group. I can call myself a dyke but you cannot, and a black person
can use the N word but I, as a white person, cannot. Since we are
not all Roma we need to avoid the term gypsy in the same ways we
would avoid other racial/ethnic/other slurs. I miss the term,
myself. There was a flirty quality to “gypsy” that “right shoulder
round” simply cannot connote. But if there were a traditional term
that used “dyke” in it, I would object, and I need to show the
same respect to other groups. So when I call this weekend, it will
be “right shoulder round”, tho in the walk-thru I’ll also say
something like, “don’t forget to make a little
joking-pretend-flirty eye contact as you go around! That’s the fun
of it!”
Becky
On Oct 7, 2019, at 3:07 PM, Mac Mckeever via
Callers
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only slightly related question: Why is it offensive to call a
dance figure a gypsy but not offensive to be a dance gypsy?
Mac McKeever