I just don't accept that men not wanting to dance with other men
necessarily has anything to do with homosexuality.
Not to derail the flirty contradances discussion any further, but I wanted
to put in my two cents. And to be fair, I *can* only speak about the US
here, but I suspect much of this will apply to the UK as well. At the very
least, I want to explain how men not wanting to dance with other men
almost certainly has something to do with homosexuality and fear
thereof--and you can decide yourself whether or not that explanation
applies in the UK.
If dancing with another man is not a particular male dancer's first choice,
because they prefer to dance with women, or it's too complicated to work
out the lead/follow dynamics, or what have you, that I can accept. But men
being so averse to dancing with other men that it makes them decidedly
uncomfortable to participate in a same-sex swing? Seems homophobic. (And of
course, there may be other reasons behind this... but homophobia seems the
simplest explanation for the majority of cases.) I'll explain.
"Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings
toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as
being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender."
I would argue that the reason for this discomfort with same-sex swinging
stems from the men not wanting to be perceived as gay. NOT THAT THIS IS
(necessarily) A CONSCIOUS SENTIMENT! I think it mostly stems from societal
attitudes that are, at this point, incredibly deeply embedded. But, think
about how much more social license female friends have to touch each other
than male friends do. How men are expected to be constantly reinforcing and
proving their masculinity by talking about sex, cars, etc. Think about the
implications of the phrase "no homo"--that being suspected to be gay would
be *the worst thing, oh my god* and one must avoid it and make disclaimers
about their actions. Here's a superbowl ad from a few years
back<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oooij6sQYgI>gI>:
look at how a) men kissing is hilarious and b) when they've done something
gay, these guys freak out and need to reassert their manliness.
Again, I'm not saying this is how any of the contra-men in question would
react to, say, an accidental gay kiss... but these are the social norms
that we're working within. So to me, two men being uncomfortable with close
physical contact *absolutely* says, "no, we don't want to get too close or
we'll seem/be gay," that is, a fear of homosexuality (or perception as
such, or implication of such), that is, homophobia.
But, I'm really curious what other explanations you can offer for this
discomfort. It's just that, to me (being a gender studies major and all),
this seems like the most obvious one. But I really am eager to hear
alternate explanations.
Forgive the gender-studies rant, I just get nerdily excited about this
stuff! I hope that was somewhat coherent, but if I lost you anywhere, I can
certainly clarify (or someone else can jump in and say it again more
lucidly).
Cheers,
Maia
2013/4/10 Colin Hume <colin(a)colinhume.com>
On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:30:58 -0400, Dave Casserly
wrote:
I'm not really sure what you're trying to
say with your analogy
here. Do you mean that people in England are actually more
homophobic, and that people in America should accept that because,
well, we wouldn't want English people coming here and telling us
what's right and what's wrong either, when they don't know our
culture and haven't danced here? If so, then you're right, that's
a premise I disagree with.
Dave -
According to Wikipedia (and other online sources),
"Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings
toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as
being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender."
I just don't accept that men not wanting to dance with other men
necessarily has anything to do with homosexuality. But I can see that
we have radically different attitudes, and I don't want to get into a
long argument about it! Since you probably won't be calling contras
in England it's not that relevant.
Colin Hume
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