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Re: [Callers] calling New England squares : intro and break

by David.Millstone＠valley.net

Dave Merrill asked, "Are the intro, breaks, and close traditional and standard for particular dances, or are they generally improvised by the caller as his own signature?" Singing squares typically have the breaks built into the words that the caller sings. There may be slight variations in the wording that the caller uses, but the figures that are called for those breaks remain the same. Hence, when a group of dancers hears the caller sing, "Well, you do-si-do 'round your corner, with a right hand go twice around your own," they're primed to chime in with "Make it twice!" That's part of the fun of the singing squares, their very predictability.* In calling New England quadrilles or other styles of squares, it's more common for the breaks not to be a set part of the routine, and yes, that's part of the fun. If there's a particularly complex break that the caller plans to use, s/he may teach it before the dance, in the same manner as teaching the figure. If the break is going to be made up of more common movements, ones that the caller expects the dancers to be capable of carrying out on the fly, then there's no advance warning and the dancers just react to the calls as they are given. The "bow to partner, bow to corner" is indeed one time-honored way of starting a square--I've seen references citing this as a particularly New England styling, harking back to more genteel times--but even that isn't a given. I'd suggest that any caller interested in investigating breaks would do well to purchase a copy of Ted Sannella's "Calling Traditional New England Squares," which is full of general comments and theory, scores of breaks that Ted used, and a CD of Ted callign squares. The cuts on the CD were chosen in part to illustrate many different breaks. Two other items that may be helpful are Tom Hinds's recent publication with a similar title, "Calling New England Squares" and Tom's earlier "Give Me a Break!" All of these materials are available from the sales office at Country Dance and Song Society, http://www.cdss.org/sales/index.html David Millstone * Of course, the predictability sometimes breaks down, as it did for me when I was calling "Just Because" some years ago. I found myself moving dancers in unexpected patterns, shuffling them all around the square. A friend came up afterwards and congratulated me on a calling tour-de-force, keeping people moving and getting back home with partners where they needed to be, all the while keeping up the singing square. The truth, which I readily confessed, is that I had experienced a sort of brain freeze, and simply couldn't remember what was supposed to come next, and just kept calling. It worked out okay, but it's not an experience I'm eager to repeat!

18 years, 8 months

Calling New England Squares

by jerome23＠bellsouth.net

David Millstone wrote: > I'd suggest > that any caller interested in investigating breaks would do well to purchase a > copy of Ted Sannella's "Calling Traditional New England Squares," which is full > of general comments and theory, scores of breaks that Ted used, and a CD of Ted > callign squares. The cuts on the CD were chosen in part to illustrate many > different breaks. Two other items that may be helpful are Tom Hinds's recent > publication with a similar title, "Calling New England Squares" and Tom's > earlier "Give Me a Break!" All of these materials are available from the sales > office at Country Dance and Song Society, http://www.cdss.org/sales/index.html > I would like to throw in my own endorsement for Tom Hinds' "Calling New England Squares" and "Give Me a Break!" I have found both to be very fine resources as I seek to call fun and satisfying squares. I've been reading and rereading these as I've been traveling lately. One of the wisest nuggets is the lesson that squares I find fun to dance may not be suitable for me to call because callers are generally more experienced dancers. So Tom offers several ways to analyze squares for suitability to a particular crowd. I know that some contra dancers think squares aren't fun. It's my judgement that when callers are very well prepared and the figures are well-matched to the crowd's ability, I don't hear from those "squares aren't fun" dancers. In fact, I even hear "that was a fun square!" It's especially satisfying to get a smile from a grump. Contrawise, if I am not well prepared on a square, I will hear it. Jerome Grisanti

18 years, 8 months

Less-used figures

by Cynthia Phinney

Hello callers, I am just back from a wonderful two days at the DownEast Country Dance Festival in Maine. There was something I noticed there that I thought was worthy of note on this list. I was sitting out watching Linda Leslie do a walk-through for a dance. The dance had a contra-corners figure in it and the dancers got lost enough trying to walk it through that Linda had six couples do a demo. It struck me that fifteen years ago I don't think that would have had to be taught at an event like the Festival, because it was a figure we used (and was taught to us) so frequently in the regular Saturday night dances that the number of people attending an event like the festival who didn't know it would be low. It seemed to me to be a reflection of doing the older dances so much less often than we used to. I remarked on this to the person I was sitting with, but then realized that he is in his twenties and does not know the kinds of dances that used to fill an evening of dancing around here back in the 70s and 80s (when the majority of dances we used in an evening might well have been older traditional dances and were as likely to be proper as improper). His assumption is contra corners is a figure that always has to be taught no matter who the crowd. When relating this story to my partner, who was not at the festival, he asked whether people sat down when Linda did the demo. Most of them did - but there were a good number who did not. He recalled how it used to be that when the caller asked for a demo, the whole rest of the hall automatically squatted or sat so everyone could see. Very often now people remain standing during demos (at least around here). Just two interesting observations on the evolution of what we're doing and how we do it. I've made a note to teach the contra corners at my local dance sometime soon. (other callers have used it there - but very infrequently). Best to all of you, -cynthia

18 years, 8 months

Re: [Callers] Less used figures

by Jeffrey Petrovitch

If there is one dance that you are going to dance at the Nelson Town Hall, it is going to be Chorus Jig. Without exception, Chorus Jig is danced every Monday, every Monday of the year, and there is no doubt that it is the highlight of the evening. I think there are few places where the dancers will actually cheer when the caller says that are going to call Chorus Jig or Money Musk (both dances you should not miss). It is interesting people are talking about less used figures, because in doing so, we can really look at the evolution of contra dancing. Formation for example, from a time where the majority of dances were proper, from a time where the majority of dances were improper, to a time where the majority of dances are improper and becket. Last month, I was talking with my friend Amy Cann, a fiddler in the Greater Putney Area, and we were talking about the evolution and history of contra dancing. An interesting point came up when we danced a dance with a wave across to a pass-through. I have only been contra dancing for three years, and I learned that a "balance the wave" was balance to the right and balance to the left. According to Amy, she told me that the "original balance the wave" was balance forward and balance back, similar to a "balance and swing". It is an interesting point and when you think about the physics of it, it makes a lot of sense. Another example is "line of four, down the hall, turn alone and return"; as experienced callers and dancers we known that is polite to turn alone towards your neighbor, because it has become so second nature to us. These are two examples of the "little things" the history points that really had to a contra dancing experience. Also in the dance Money Musk there is a "lines of three forward and back" and it really is not a "forward and back"; it is a "balance in and balance out", which is danced differently. What does this have to do with discussion of less used figures; I think it is important to know dance moves like contra corners, balance in and balance out and once again the "little things" that have brought contra dancing to where it is today. It is the history!!! Chris made a great point about "we as callers need to model the good behavior from the floor as dancers." My addition to that would be that we as callers perhaps are one of the largest factors in the evolution of contra dancing. Through our dance selection and dance programming and of course our teaching, we have the opportunity every evening to present contra dancing to a new individual, someone who has no idea what contra dancing is all about and for them that is where contra dancing starts. If contra dancing was a plate of cookies siting on the table, it would be perhaps one of the best cookies there is, but don't you think it was taste better if you knew what were the ingredients and where they came from??? Jeff

18 years, 8 months

Re: [Callers] Less-used figures

by David.Millstone＠valley.net

Cynthia spoke about the necessity of demonstrating contra corners, a figure that she had thought most would know well. As Lisa pointed out, there are dance series where the older dances are called regularly and dancers there will be familiar with figures such as contra corners. (I'd say you're more likely to find these older dances included in the repertoire of smaller dances in rural New England than you are at most of the zesty urban dances.) The figure isn't called as much these days because it favors the ones-- the "active" couples, in the now out-of-favor parlance. The contemporary passion for everyone-moving, equal-activity choreography means that figures such as contra corners simply aren't used as much, unless it's a dance such as Alternating Corners where the ones and twos take turns doing contra corners. There's an example I like to use to demonstrate these changes. In the early to mid-1980s, when the "hey for four" started to appear with increasing frequency in contra choreography, an import from English country dancing, it frequently required lengthy, step-by-step instruction, often supplemented with a demonstration by a carefully-selected group of dancers. At that same time, when an evening's program included traditional contras--many of which are duple proper and end with the generic down the center and return, cast off, right and left over and back--people had no trouble with those closing figures. Today, the situation is nearly reversed--callers can move swiftly through a hey for four, knowing that most dancers on the floor will be familiar with the figure; it's a figure that you couild expect to encounter in a contra medley at NEFFA, for example, where there's no instruction. The newcomers will be assisted by those old hands (old feet?), who can indicate with an exaggerated shoulder the correct passing side and who can keep everyone moving. Call a duple proper dance, though, and the caller's troubles multiply. First of all, there are all those dancers who have already taken hands four and crossed over... they need to be brough back onto the correct side. And then doing the same sex right and left through can cause all manner of problems, so a careful, step-by-step instruction follows, often with a demonstration. The same applies, even more so, with triple minors, which of course were the norm at one time in our dancing past. People like what they know, and if they haven't been exposed to different figures and different formations, they'll initially resist the unfamiliar. But take a group of dancers who only dance contras regularly and get them through a grand square successfully, let alone something like a teacup chain, and you can feel the excitement in the room. But I digress... Cynthia also also raised the question of whether dancers squat or sit down when there's a demonstration, and Chris made several good suggestions about this. Dancers simply have grown accustomed to not having a demonstration, or are less tolerant of a demo than they might have been. I recall the story of Ted Sannella calling in Washington, DC, some years ago. He went out onto the floor to demonstrate the timing he wanted to see for a right and left through, and one of the dancers was heard grumbling something to the effect of "Who is this old man, who thinks he has the right to show us something?" The dance's organizer swiftly replied, "That's Ted Sannella, and if he thinks people here need to work on that figure, then they do!" Ted was fond of jumping onto the floor once or twice in an evening-- never more than that, in my recollection-- to illustrate style points. I don't think that this practice is as common these days, at least in the groups where I dance. One delightful exception for me came last fall when I was calling in Prague. There, in part because of the language barrier, I found it far more efficient to demonstrate unusual figures than to try to explain with words what I wanted. Yes, they'd be able to follow me, with the assistance of a translator, but the one picture/thousand words maxim applied. As soon as I took two steps toward the dance floor from the mic, the entire room sat down or squatted, without my needing even to make a request. I'd show the figure with the assistance of a few couples, and then everyone would dance it. I consciously modeled my calling on Ted's model, so I'm comfortable going out onto the floor. I do think that this action is a good way of making style points or demonstrating a particularly complex move. Perhaps if more of us did this at opportune moments, dancers would in time learn to get out of the sightlines of their neighbors. One final point. Chris ended his post with the comment that "we as callers need to model the good behavior from the floor as dancers." Well said! If we're on the dance floor when another caller comes out to demo something, I think that we have an obligation immediately to squat down ourselves, and trust that others will follow our lead. David Millstone

18 years, 8 months

calling New England squares : intro and break

by David Merrill

Hi: After this year's DEFFA survivors dance and armed with this year's Ralph Page Weekend syllabus, (and my first impromptu chance to call squares) I'm left with a question. Are the intro, breaks, and close traditional and standard for particular dances, or are they generally improvised by the caller as his own signature? (Bow to partner, and then to corner seems to be how most begin but they seem fairly divergent from there on out!) Thanks from a very inexperienced sort-of-caller, Dave Merrill _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

18 years, 8 months

Teaching the swing

by Camilla Streeter

I've been sitting on the sidelines for a while enjoying the conversation. I'm been an avid dancer for almost twenty years and I truly enjoy bringing new people in to contra dancing through one-on-one teaching. I think that Rick Mohr has a wonderful way of explaining the mechanics of the swing. He recently taught the buzz step to the gathered crowd at Rehoboth and it was great to watch. I used the same language the other night with a beginner and he got it easily. Rick also has a nice way of explaining the weight distribution concept so that the gents don't get sore right arms. I agree with Jeff that if you find the right language you can teach this successfully. The buzz step swing is such a great thing, it seems a shame to let someone miss it. Camilla Streeter --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

18 years, 8 months

Re: [Callers] The Language

by Jeffrey Petrovitch

Thanks Camilla. I remember talking with some dancers a while ago, and they had mention Rick's method of teaching the swing, but I really didn't understand it, till now. What great language!!! At first as I was reading it, I was like how is this going to teach me to swing, but as soon as I got up and tried it, it all made sense. Good language, good communication, and there you have it, the buzz-step. All in about ten minutes or less. Another interesting point I think, callers think a lot about how to teach contra dancing in a workshop sense, but a lot of the times forget about the teaching they do every time they call a dance. Of course, the walk-through. And having good language for the walk-through is just as important. Finding a balance of good words, not too many (you don't have have a ten minute walk-through) not too short, so the dancers don't understand... But being able to give a good walk-through is a good tell of a good caller... Jeff

18 years, 8 months

Teaching a Swing

by laleslierjg＠comcast.net

I heartily agree with Chris on the stepping or walking swing for beginners! My husband, Bob Golder, who has been dancing for 30 years, and several other very experienced dancers, only do a walking swing. They can keep up with the fastest of buzz step swinging partners, and are very smooth. The stepping swing is easy to teach, and is a natural movement for dancers. In addition, it keeps them moving smoothly. I always tell them that when they are ready, and feel it in the movement, they will naturally begin buzz step swinging. And even if they don't, walking swings can be just as terrific! And in general to everyone, it is very enjoyable to be on this email list! The discussions and suggestions are thought provoking and very helpful. Thanks to everyone! warmly, Linda Leslie > > Hi Tom, > > I agree with all but two of these. Here's why I disagree: > > 2) Beginners have a delay in their reaction times to calls. They have to > process the call, translate it to what they know before they can tell > their bodies what to do. This is unlike an experienced dancer who has > muscle memory tied directly to the ears (or something like that). 8^) > When I have called to dances with a high percentage of beginners, the > dances with 8 count swings, by the time the dancers get into swing > position and start turning, they can't even get around once sometimes. 8 > count swings also indicate a higher piece count in the dance and make it > more difficult. I have had better luck with 12 count swings when dealing > with beginners. > > 8) I am convinced that (with rare exceptions) when you teach someone > anything about the swing, they only can move up one notch along the > learning curve. They can only keep one instruction in mind when they are > practicing the swing. It took me a long time to learn how to buzz step > well and to incorporate it in such a way that didn't cause discomfort > for my partner. Since the swing is one of the first, hardest and most > common moves that they learn, it needs to be easy and quick to learn. > That's why I teach the walking swing. They have enough to learn about > posture, frame and dealing with eye contact. Why burden them with extra > information when they already know how to walk forward and it will work > just as well? By all means, let them know that the buzz step exists and > show them what it looks like. But also let them know that they don't > have to do it for a swing to be fun. I can show someone how to do a > walking swing in less than 30 seconds and have them dancing and their > mind will be clear enough to learn the other calls that they are being > taught. I have seen too many people befuddled by the buzz step and in a > daze while the first dance is being taught. > > Hmmm... I guess that number 8 touched a nerve... 8^) > > Happy Dancing, > > Chris > > http://www.chrisweiler.ws/ > > > Tom Hinds wrote: > > > It occurred to me that many of the behaviors on this list are due to > >insecurity (dancing with other beginners, waiting to be asked etc.) That got > >me to thinking about what callers can do to make sure the beginners have a > >good experience. So, I've come up with my own list for callers. These items > >may contain items that some may not agree with. But this may generate some > >good discussion. > > > >10 things a caller can do to help beginners have a good experience: > > > >1) Prepare a logical program that starts easy and builds. > > > >2) Like a professional dance teacher, warm up muscles slowly. Use dances > >with 8 count swings (max) early in the evening. Keep the first couple of > >dances shorter. New and not so new dancers are entering the hall and you want > >them up and dancing sooner rather than later, > > > >3) Be prepared well enough so that you don't have to use cards. Watch the > >dancers. Watch the dancers. > > > >4) Encourage everyone to dance with everyone else. When a dance ends, > >suggest that those who just danced ask those sitting out for the next dance. > > > >5) Demonstrate what smooth dancing looks like (especially if many newbees are > >skipping). > > > >6) Teach safe dancing - like proper allemandes. If you see dancers dancing > >out of control take measures to make sure that they don't hurt anyone. > > > >7) If you make a mistake, admit it. Often if something doesn't work, the new > >dancers think it's because of them. > > > >8) Teach the buzz step swing in the beginning workshop. Teach it well. > > > >9) If a dance has a tricky move, show the dancers how to perform the move > >with finesse. If the dance has a challenge in the timing department, > >communicate to the dancers how to be on time. > > > >10) If you call a challenging dance and the new dancers look a bit confused, > >tell the crowd that that was a very difficult dance and that they handled it > >very well (this one from Ted Sannella). If the dance was so challenging that > >sets broke down, tell the dancers that you picked a bad dance (in other words > >it's you, not them). > > > >Tom Hinds > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)sharedweight.net > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > > End of Callers Digest, Vol 19, Issue 11 > ***************************************

18 years, 8 months

Teaching the swing

by Tom Hinds

Yes I understand what you mean. All of your points are valid points. I guess all of our experiences are different. I've never been to your dance and I don't think you've seen me teach a beginning workshop. I have a couple of points for you to think about. It is possible to get most beginners (maybe 95%) to do the buzz step in about 10 minutes. To do it you have to teach one thing at a time and work from the ground up (feet, then knees, then upper body). Some of them might regress into a sloppy swing during the regular dance but I did give them the opportunity. The problem with teaching the walking step swing is that once people learn it, it is VERY difficult to unlearn. Not worth the effort for many. I called a dance in North Carolina where most of the dancers were fairly skilled. Except, all of the men did the walking step swing. Why? Because the walking step swing is taught at the beginning lesson. So, I spent a good 10 minutes of the regular dance teaching them the buzz step swing. They all got it. They retained it for one dance. Here's another reason: One move that is in every dance is the swing. Many dances have two swings. If you listed all of the moves that you called in an evening and the amount of time spent dancing each move, the swing would be at the top of the list. The amount of time swinging might even be more than many of the other top moves combined. Why not concentrate on the move that is done the most and gives (many people) the most enjoyment? Chris mentioned the issue with reaction time. Great observation! My workshops for the first 15 minutes or so center on two main things: reaction time and progression. I really can't describe what I do but is is kinda of like a gently hash calling in contra formation. To be honest, I have always used only 8 beat swings in the first two dances of the evening and have never seen any problems with the beginners ending a swing on time. For me it's the dancers who have a bit of experience and imitate the experienced dancers who end swings late-twirl, twirl, twirl. Tom callers-request(a)sharedweight.net wrote: > Send Callers mailing list submissions to > callers(a)sharedweight.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > callers-request(a)sharedweight.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > callers-owner(a)sharedweight.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Callers digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Teaching a Swing (laleslierjg(a)comcast.net) > 2. Calling Katie's Trip to Starbase 12 (Rickey) > 3. Re: Calling Katie's Trip to Starbase 12 (David Millstone) > 4. Re: Teaching a Swing (barb kirchner) > 5. Re: Calling Katie's Trip to Starbase 12 (Seth Tepfer) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:25:13 +0000 > From: laleslierjg(a)comcast.net > Subject: [Callers] Teaching a Swing > To: callers(a)sharedweight.net > Message-ID: > <031520060025.10891.44175EE90000FBDC00002A8B220075074409069D0A07049C0A040E04(a)comcast.net> > > > I heartily agree with Chris on the stepping or walking swing for beginners! My husband, Bob Golder, who has been dancing for 30 years, and several other very experienced dancers, only do a walking swing. They can keep up with the fastest of buzz step swinging partners, and are very smooth. The stepping swing is easy to teach, and is a natural movement for dancers. In addition, it keeps them moving smoothly. I always tell them that when they are ready, and feel it in the movement, they will naturally begin buzz step swinging. And even if they don't, walking swings can be just as terrific! > > And in general to everyone, it is very enjoyable to be on this email list! The discussions and suggestions are thought provoking and very helpful. Thanks to everyone! > warmly, Linda Leslie > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > I agree with all but two of these. Here's why I disagree: > > > > 2) Beginners have a delay in their reaction times to calls. They have to > > process the call, translate it to what they know before they can tell > > their bodies what to do. This is unlike an experienced dancer who has > > muscle memory tied directly to the ears (or something like that). 8^) > > When I have called to dances with a high percentage of beginners, the > > dances with 8 count swings, by the time the dancers get into swing > > position and start turning, they can't even get around once sometimes. 8 > > count swings also indicate a higher piece count in the dance and make it > > more difficult. I have had better luck with 12 count swings when dealing > > with beginners. > > > > 8) I am convinced that (with rare exceptions) when you teach someone > > anything about the swing, they only can move up one notch along the > > learning curve. They can only keep one instruction in mind when they are > > practicing the swing. It took me a long time to learn how to buzz step > > well and to incorporate it in such a way that didn't cause discomfort > > for my partner. Since the swing is one of the first, hardest and most > > common moves that they learn, it needs to be easy and quick to learn. > > That's why I teach the walking swing. They have enough to learn about > > posture, frame and dealing with eye contact. Why burden them with extra > > information when they already know how to walk forward and it will work > > just as well? By all means, let them know that the buzz step exists and > > show them what it looks like. But also let them know that they don't > > have to do it for a swing to be fun. I can show someone how to do a > > walking swing in less than 30 seconds and have them dancing and their > > mind will be clear enough to learn the other calls that they are being > > taught. I have seen too many people befuddled by the buzz step and in a > > daze while the first dance is being taught. > > > > Hmmm... I guess that number 8 touched a nerve... 8^) > > > > Happy Dancing, > > > > Chris > > > > http://www.chrisweiler.ws/ > > > > > > Tom Hinds wrote: > > > > > It occurred to me that many of the behaviors on this list are due to > > >insecurity (dancing with other beginners, waiting to be asked etc.) That got > > >me to thinking about what callers can do to make sure the beginners have a > > >good experience. So, I've come up with my own list for callers. These items > > >may contain items that some may not agree with. But this may generate some > > >good discussion. > > > > > >10 things a caller can do to help beginners have a good experience: > > > > > >1) Prepare a logical program that starts easy and builds. > > > > > >2) Like a professional dance teacher, warm up muscles slowly. Use dances > > >with 8 count swings (max) early in the evening. Keep the first couple of > > >dances shorter. New and not so new dancers are entering the hall and you want > > >them up and dancing sooner rather than later, > > > > > >3) Be prepared well enough so that you don't have to use cards. Watch the > > >dancers. Watch the dancers. > > > > > >4) Encourage everyone to dance with everyone else. When a dance ends, > > >suggest that those who just danced ask those sitting out for the next dance. > > > > > >5) Demonstrate what smooth dancing looks like (especially if many newbees are > > >skipping). > > > > > >6) Teach safe dancing - like proper allemandes. If you see dancers dancing > > >out of control take measures to make sure that they don't hurt anyone. > > > > > >7) If you make a mistake, admit it. Often if something doesn't work, the new > > >dancers think it's because of them. > > > > > >8) Teach the buzz step swing in the beginning workshop. Teach it well. > > > > > >9) If a dance has a tricky move, show the dancers how to perform the move > > >with finesse. If the dance has a challenge in the timing department, > > >communicate to the dancers how to be on time. > > > > > >10) If you call a challenging dance and the new dancers look a bit confused, > > >tell the crowd that that was a very difficult dance and that they handled it > > >very well (this one from Ted Sannella). If the dance was so challenging that > > >sets broke down, tell the dancers that you picked a bad dance (in other words > > >it's you, not them). > > > > > >Tom Hinds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Callers mailing list > > Callers(a)sharedweight.net > > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > > > > > End of Callers Digest, Vol 19, Issue 11 > > *************************************** > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 21:26:12 -0500 > From: "Rickey" <holt.e(a)comcast.net> > Subject: [Callers] Calling Katie's Trip to Starbase 12 > To: <callers(a)sharedweight.net> > Message-ID: <000001c647d7$d70a3930$5f511e42@maxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi, > > I got such great responses to my very first question posted to this list > that I thought I'd try another. "Katie's Trip to Starbase 12", by Merilee > Karr calls for a "Swinging Star" (a double star, both wrist grip right-hand > star and left hands across star at the same time). This takes up all of B1. > The number of times around is not specified in my version. It can take a > bit of time to get this star together, and as it uses a buzz step, it can > really get going once assembled - so the lack of instructions as to the > number of revolutions may be intentional. B2 starts with the left-hand > hands across star, and it is important where that one ends. Perhaps the > only thing to do is to point out where this second star ends when teaching > the dance. Has anyone else on this list called the dance? How do you deal > with this? > > Thanks, > > Rickey Holt. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: 14 Mar 2006 21:56:59 EST > From: David.Millstone(a)VALLEY.NET (David Millstone) > Subject: Re: [Callers] Calling Katie's Trip to Starbase 12 > To: callers(a)sharedweight.net > Message-ID: <7901099(a)retriever.VALLEY.NET> > Content-Type: text/plain > > I used to call it a lot-- the swinging star is a nice gimmick and when you're in > the right foursome, you can have a great time in that figure. > > > the lack of instructions as to the number of revolutions may be intentional > > Yes, I think that's the case. And yes, I agree with your solution to emphasize > where you end up the LH star. > > In one of those wonderful cross-country leaps (Merilee Karr is in Portland, OR, > and Seth Tepfer is in Atlanta), nspired by Merilee's dance, Seth wrote another, > Swinging on a Star." I often use that one instead. I like the way it ends > slightly better than the original. > > Seth's dance is here: > > http://www.dancerhapsody.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Choreography#SwinginStar > > Both dances, in my opinion, work better if not allowed to run too long. > > David Millstone > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 06:25:59 +0000 > From: "barb kirchner" <barbkirchner(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Teaching a Swing > To: callers(a)sharedweight.net > Message-ID: <BAY102-F183417EA38F92C9527B4EADEE60(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > i also strongly agree! i *never* teach a buzz-step swing. i *do* demo a > swing with one person walking and one person buzzing, and point out to them > that they can walk to matter what the other person is doing. > > i also tell them that after awhile, they will "feel" the buzz step, and when > they do, they should go ahead and try it out. > > in my mind, it's more important to explain to everyone that they need to > carry their own weight during a swing. i also tell them that it's important > to swing in a way that's comfortable for both people, and "comfortable" is > the important word here. > > also, the swing is the first thing i teach - it's the one figure that's > guaranteed to be in every dance. as soon as they figure out "lady on the > right" and the pointy hands thing, i'm ready to line them up. > > it's my perception that if they can get oriented at the end of a swing and > be comfortable with that, they don't have much trouble getting oriented once > they're in line. so i teach the swing first, they are scattered around the > area. i explain about the pointy hands, then have them swing and end with > the pointy hands facing me. doing it again, face down the hall. do it > again, face the stage. they lady's always on the right, they get used to > following instructions - lots of info about orientation and position in a > small, coherent lump in a short time! > > i see so many people swinging poorly these days, especially at places like > the thursday night dance and greenfield - the focus always seems to be how > many twirls/dips you can fit in, and there is no comprehension of the > musical phrase. i also hear a lot of guys complaining about chronic right > shoulder pain... > > i'd be interested to hear anyone's thoughts on the current state of the > swing and what we, as people trying to set good examples in our communities, > might do about it. even if we teach new dancers good form, what can be done > about poor form from experienced dancers? > > barb > > http://www.barbkirchner.us > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: laleslierjg(a)comcast.net > Reply-To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net> > To: callers(a)sharedweight.net > Subject: [Callers] Teaching a Swing > Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:25:13 +0000 > > I heartily agree with Chris on the stepping or walking swing for beginners! > My husband, Bob Golder, who has been dancing for 30 years, and several other > very experienced dancers, only do a walking swing. They can keep up with the > fastest of buzz step swinging partners, and are very smooth. The stepping > swing is easy to teach, and is a natural movement for dancers. In addition, > it keeps them moving smoothly. I always tell them that when they are ready, > and feel it in the movement, they will naturally begin buzz step swinging. > And even if they don't, walking swings can be just as terrific! > > And in general to everyone, it is very enjoyable to be on this email list! > The discussions and suggestions are thought provoking and very helpful. > Thanks to everyone! > warmly, Linda Leslie > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > I agree with all but two of these. Here's why I disagree: > > > > 2) Beginners have a delay in their reaction times to calls. They have to > > process the call, translate it to what they know before they can tell > > their bodies what to do. This is unlike an experienced dancer who has > > muscle memory tied directly to the ears (or something like that). 8^) > > When I have called to dances with a high percentage of beginners, the > > dances with 8 count swings, by the time the dancers get into swing > > position and start turning, they can't even get around once sometimes. 8 > > count swings also indicate a higher piece count in the dance and make it > > more difficult. I have had better luck with 12 count swings when dealing > > with beginners. > > > > 8) I am convinced that (with rare exceptions) when you teach someone > > anything about the swing, they only can move up one notch along the > > learning curve. They can only keep one instruction in mind when they are > > practicing the swing. It took me a long time to learn how to buzz step > > well and to incorporate it in such a way that didn't cause discomfort > > for my partner. Since the swing is one of the first, hardest and most > > common moves that they learn, it needs to be easy and quick to learn. > > That's why I teach the walking swing. They have enough to learn about > > posture, frame and dealing with eye contact. Why burden them with extra > > information when they already know how to walk forward and it will work > > just as well? By all means, let them know that the buzz step exists and > > show them what it looks like. But also let them know that they don't > > have to do it for a swing to be fun. I can show someone how to do a > > walking swing in less than 30 seconds and have them dancing and their > > mind will be clear enough to learn the other calls that they are being > > taught. I have seen too many people befuddled by the buzz step and in a > > daze while the first dance is being taught. > > > > Hmmm... I guess that number 8 touched a nerve... 8^) > > > > Happy Dancing, > > > > Chris > > > > http://www.chrisweiler.ws/ > > > > > > Tom Hinds wrote: > > > > > It occurred to me that many of the behaviors on this list are due to > > >insecurity (dancing with other beginners, waiting to be asked etc.) > That got > > >me to thinking about what callers can do to make sure the beginners have > a > > >good experience. So, I've come up with my own list for callers. These > items > > >may contain items that some may not agree with. But this may generate > some > > >good discussion. > > > > > >10 things a caller can do to help beginners have a good experience: > > > > > >1) Prepare a logical program that starts easy and builds. > > > > > >2) Like a professional dance teacher, warm up muscles slowly. Use > dances > > >with 8 count swings (max) early in the evening. Keep the first couple > of > > >dances shorter. New and not so new dancers are entering the hall and > you want > > >them up and dancing sooner rather than later, > > > > > >3) Be prepared well enough so that you don't have to use cards. Watch > the > > >dancers. Watch the dancers. > > > > > >4) Encourage everyone to dance with everyone else. When a dance ends, > > >suggest that those who just danced ask those sitting out for the next > dance. > > > > > >5) Demonstrate what smooth dancing looks like (especially if many > newbees are > > >skipping). > > > > > >6) Teach safe dancing - like proper allemandes. If you see dancers > dancing > > >out of control take measures to make sure that they don't hurt anyone. > > > > > >7) If you make a mistake, admit it. Often if something doesn't work, > the new > > >dancers think it's because of them. > > > > > >8) Teach the buzz step swing in the beginning workshop. Teach it well. > > > > > >9) If a dance has a tricky move, show the dancers how to perform the > move > > >with finesse. If the dance has a challenge in the timing department, > > >communicate to the dancers how to be on time. > > > > > >10) If you call a challenging dance and the new dancers look a bit > confused, > > >tell the crowd that that was a very difficult dance and that they > handled it > > >very well (this one from Ted Sannella). If the dance was so challenging > that > > >sets broke down, tell the dancers that you picked a bad dance (in other > words > > >it's you, not them). > > > > > >Tom Hinds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Callers mailing list > > Callers(a)sharedweight.net > > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > > > > > End of Callers Digest, Vol 19, Issue 11 > > *************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)sharedweight.net > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:30:24 -0500 > From: Seth Tepfer <labst(a)emory.edu> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Calling Katie's Trip to Starbase 12 > To: millstone(a)VALLEY.NET, "Caller's discussion list" > <callers(a)sharedweight.net> > Cc: callers(a)sharedweight.net > Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20060315082648.06adff28(a)pop3.service.emory.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > At 09:56 PM 3/14/2006, David Millstone wrote: > >In one of those wonderful cross-country leaps (Merilee Karr is in > >Portland, OR, > >and Seth Tepfer is in Atlanta), inspired by Merilee's dance, > > It is worth mentioning that when I first started to dance in 1993 Merilee's > dance was common in GA and FL. I had no idea who Merilee was, or where she > lived. > > >Seth wrote another, > >http://www.dancerhapsody.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Choreography#SwinginStar > > My wife mentioned that she got dizzy in the original, when doing the > swinging star (to the right) followed by the left hand star. I always > thought that switching direction would lessen the dizziness, but hey, what > do I know? I love that swinging star move, so for her I wrote a slightly > different version that continued the star to the right - right into the > neighbor swing. > > Glad you like it! > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)sharedweight.net > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > End of Callers Digest, Vol 19, Issue 12 > ***************************************

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