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by jill allen

Thank you to everyone who has posted their ideas about how to make sure everyone is getting a chance to dance. This will be very helpful. I think it was important to have the discussions about gender balance, booking ahead, equal opportunity and whose responsibility is it to facilitate it, can we really affect people's behavior, etc. I think everyone would agree that callers and organizers can work together to influence the behavior of the dancers and to set the tone for a fun and inclusive evening of dancing. I agree with Greg: "If anyone wants to discuss the ways callers...and others can lead, I would love to have such a thread." Although we might not all agree on what is acceptable dancer behavior, do you have more ideas for callers and organizers, perhaps a list of what has worked for you to make your dances more inclusive and friendly to all. Thanks again, Jill

12 years, 4 months

Re: [Callers] Waltz contras - does anyone have any in their box?

by Jerome Grisanti

I've had some success with Mike Richardson's dance "Another Jig Will Do." It's not a waltz, but dances as one. Musically, it fits a two-part slip-jig such as "The Snowy Path" or two parts of the three-part "The Butterfly." See http://www.quiteapair.us/calling/acdol/dance/acd_10.html for details of the figure. I can generally find a waltz rhythm within the 9/8 signature, but I've seen some dancers struggle with this, so check the tune with the band beforehand. These same dancers were upset with me for asking them to use a waltz step during a contra, so it might not have been the tune. --Jerome On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:00 AM, <callers-request(a)sharedweight.net> wrote: > Re: Waltz contras - does anyone have any in their box? -- Jerome Grisanti 660-528-0858 http://www.jeromegrisanti.com For the good are always the merry, Save by an evil chance, And the merry love the fiddle And the merry love to dance. ~ William Butler Yeats

12 years, 5 months

Re: [Callers] Waltz contras - does anyone have any in their box?

by Jerome Grisanti

> > Alan Winston asked: > Slip-jgs are usually played with DAH-du-dum DAH-du-dum DAH-dum-dum > (nine beats in a measure, with emphasis on the first beat of each triplet). > Are you taking three (ONE-two-three) waltz steps per measure, or one > (ONE...TWO...THREE) waltz step per measure? > Alan, three waltz steps per measure. When I danced in Louisville, the Monday Night Band often used The Butterfly or The Snowy Path for the waltz, and it took me a while to realize that these were not, in fact, waltzes. And as I suggest, not all slip jigs can be felt as a waltz, as I've painfully discovered. The Butterfly in particular is very hypnotic as a (turning) waltz, since the phrases seem to drive on and on rather than regathering as in most waltzes. But perhaps this is a regional taste. When I discovered "Another Jig Will Do," and saw it was written for a two-part slip jig, I asked for "The Snowy Path." I assumed people would waltz, and in fact they did, in Louisville. Elsewhere, I've found myself trying to explain why I'm asking them to waltz. --Jerome -- Jerome Grisanti 660-528-0858 http://www.jeromegrisanti.com For the good are always the merry, Save by an evil chance, And the merry love the fiddle And the merry love to dance. ~ William Butler Yeats

12 years, 5 months

Re: [Callers] Gender Disparity

by John Sweeney

Or you could try to get rid of the gender disparity. For example, if you don't have enough men then offer free entry to anyone who brings a new man to a dance. Happy dancing, John John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent

12 years, 5 months

Waltz contras - does anyone have any in their box?

by Hanny Budnick

Many contra events have a couple waltz during intermission or at the last dance. BUT does anyone ever due a contra (duple or triple minor) in waltz time? Hanny

12 years, 5 months

Gender disparity responsibilities (was: booking ahead)

by Maia McCormick

Dave's post about booking ahead and people's "responsibilities" to dance one role or the other made me think: DO people (read: experienced dancers who are capable of switching) have a responsibility to dance a particular role if there's a gender disparity? There's something to be said for reminding people, "not all couples need to be male/female!" But the idea that anyone is obligated to dance lead or follow, or to dance with same or opposite sex, makes me uncomfortable. My home dance regularly has more men than women (crazy!) but my preferred role is lead; does this mean I'm obligated to dance follow/dance with men (it happens that many of the men don't follow, and anyway, the height difference makes it tricky), rather than dancing with women? Is there a difference in obligating someone to dance their gender-typical role and their gender-atypical role? How much responsibility do experience dancers have for evening out a gender imbalance? (And to what extent is it an okay thing to assume that a gender imbalance *needs* evening out?) Cheers, Maia

12 years, 5 months

Re: [Callers] Lots of Contra Corners

by John Sweeney

Another one for Three-Facing-Three is Walpole Cottage by Pat Shaw - has a C part as well so time to include some stars and heys. That one is a Sicilian Circle so you get to dance with lots of trios. I believe Erik Hoffman did a version he called Walpole Dollhouse. = = = = = = = = The same move is in: Strip the Willow Square Square (32 or 48 bars Jigs) A1: Heads gallop across (men b-to-b) and back (ladies b-to-b) A2: Sides gallop across (men b-to-b) and back (ladies b-to-b) B1/2: Head Men Strip the Willow: Men Allemande* Right 3/4; Allemande L the R-hand Lady; Men Allemande R 3/4; Allemande L the opposite Lady; Men Allemande R 3/4; Allemande L the L-hand Lady; Men Allemande R 3/4; Partner Allemande L C1: Circle L, Circle R C2: Partner Balance & Swing Repeat for side men, then head ladies, then side ladies, then all the man at once, then all the ladies at once (stars rather than allemandes). = = = = = = = = Or if you like turning contra corners then you can just do it as a Strip the Willow: Orcadian (or Shetland) Strip the Willow Longways; Proper (slip jig) A1: Top couple R hand turn (elbows linked) 1 1/2 and Strip the Willow to the bottom B1: Next couple start Repeat until too tired to stand. When you reach the bottom swing and then join the lines. Everyone: Move up after you have turned the active couple. = = = = = = = = Or do some Big Set and throw in a Shoo Fly Swing: One couple starts a Ladies' Strip the Willow, each Lady joins in as soon as she can so all the Men are circling in the middle following their Ladies around the set; then the Men Strip the Willow - see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KKvElR4ZaA = = = = = = = = Or go back in time and do Fandango (Apted 1774) with two hand turns rather than allemandes. = = = = = = = = There are lots more... :-) Happy dancing, John John Sweeney, Dancer, England john(a)modernjive.com 01233 625 362 http://www.contrafusion.co.uk for Dancing in Kent

12 years, 5 months

sharp corners

by Tom Hinds

Years ago I remember dancing a dance that had a full contra corners in it. The active dancers had four corners to turn instead of two. I think the caller called the move sharp corners. Does anyone have any of these dances they could share? I'm particularly interested in dances with this move that have been written in the last 40 years or so. Tom

12 years, 5 months

Re: [Callers] Callers Digest, Vol 101, Issue 40

by Meg Dedolph

As far as helping new people find partners, etc., etc., if I'm sitting at the table taking money, I'll chat with the new dancers who show up and find out a little bit about them - did they just move here, what neighborhood are they living in, how'd they find out about the dance - and that generally gives me enough to be able to take them over to someone I know and say something like, "This is Emily and she just moved here from Ohio - didn't you go to Cincinnati over the holidays?" Then the new person has something to talk about, and the experienced dancer knows to ask them to dance. It's not a blanket from-the-mic solution, but it helps fix things in a small way. Really, it's the same thing a good host would do at a party. Meg On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:33 PM, <callers-request(a)sharedweight.net> wrote: > Send Callers mailing list submissions to > callers(a)sharedweight.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > callers-request(a)sharedweight.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > callers-owner(a)sharedweight.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Callers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: ideas for callers about sidelines (Laur) > 2. Re: Booking Ahead - (was ideas for callers about sidelines) (Laur) > 3. forgetting pencils for the moment... Ralph Page anyone??? > (Emily Addison) > 4. Re: Booking Ahead - (was ideas for callers about sidelines) > (Greg McKenzie) > 5. Re: Booking Ahead - (was ideas for callers about sidelines) > (Lindsay Morris) > 6. Re: forgetting pencils for the moment... Ralph Page anyone??? > (Richard Hart) > 7. Re: Booking Ahead - (was ideas for callers about sidelines) > (Ron T Blechner) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:56:36 -0800 (PST) > From: Laur <lcpgr(a)yahoo.com> > To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net> > Subject: Re: [Callers] ideas for callers about sidelines > Message-ID: > <1358452596.9895.YahooMailNeo(a)web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > ?Hi Jill. > > I'll comment on things others have yet to mention, things observed and > shared with me in our MI communities. > > We often see dancers, or hear dancers comment, that they aren't dancing or > getting asked to dance. ?These are newer but regular dancers. Typically > these are women who come from a mindset where they need to be asked to > dance, even after they understand the culture is anyone can ask anyone. > ?They tend to wait on the sidelines to see if someone comes to them and by > the time no one has, it's too late to find a partner. Of course there are > also those who are very new or very shy. > > Callers,of course, mention please find someone that hasn't danced the last > dance and ask them to join you on the dance floor, or something of that > nature, reminding all that the fun is dancing with as many people as you > can, meeting and greeting, etc. ? > > I believe the stimulus to change this situation comes from other dancers. > ?In our case, it's women that have come to know each either at the dance or > socially sharing their experience, which is safe. ?Although It could be > uncomfortable. Most explain to the others that they come there to dance and > frankly don't wait to be asked any longer. ?Or tips like, instead of > sitting on the sideline, show someone that you are ready to dance, stand up > or walk near the the dance floor. ?Also that it's easier to stay dancing if > you are dancing. And, if someone does ask and you need a time out, suggest > you dance later, or "how about the next one"? ? Some women don't want to > dance with other women. ?I notice the more they are at a dance the less > important it becomes. ?Some of them have quickly started learning the other > role so they can Choose who to dance with and when, because of our gender > imbalance, although they prefer to have a male partner. ?Some who do > this now worry they are going to get "stuck" in that role. > > In summary, our community is our dancers. ?And they have the power to turn > the tides. ? > > Just like we have "dance angels" who help new dancers (or help distract > the too helpful ones), we can use our dancer community to support the > efforts to?acclimate?and educate and encourage. > > Laurie Pietravalle > West Michigan > ~ > When I dance, I cannot judge, I cannot hate, I cannot separate myself from > life. I can only be joyful and whole, that is why I dance. ~Hans Bos~ > ~ > > > >________________________________ > > From: jill allen <jillallen3(a)att.net> > >To: callers(a)sharedweight.net > >Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 9:22 AM > >Subject: [Callers] ideas for callers about sidelines > > > >Have you as a caller or organizer had particular success in helping > people to find partners, especially when there is gender imbalance?? I > welcome comments about the issue of making sure all are having equal > opportunity to dance. I recently received a message from our contra dance > board asking callers for suggestions on this issue.? I believe that the > organizers are addressing this issue because we have had dancers leave > after not being able to find partners.? I will be sharing your comments > with our board and they will share these thoughts with callers as they are > hired to call a dance. > > > >Thank you! > >Jill Allen > >Lawrence, KS > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Callers mailing list > >Callers(a)sharedweight.net > >http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:04:21 -0800 (PST) > From: Laur <lcpgr(a)yahoo.com> > To: Caller's discussion list <callers(a)sharedweight.net> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Booking Ahead - (was ideas for callers about > sidelines) > Message-ID: > <1358453061.6432.YahooMailNeo(a)web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I agree, Dave. > > It's interesting, I have seen the REALLY cool hip male dancers dance > together when there is a gender imbalance just for that reason. ?I'm > talking about too many females dancers. ?yes. ?the really cool hip dancers > are those that get community as well as good dance?etiquette?along with > good technique, style, rhythm and timing. > > Laurie P > West MI > ? > ~ > When I dance, I cannot judge, I cannot hate, I cannot separate myself from > life. I can only be joyful and whole, that is why I dance. ~Hans Bos~ > ~ > > > >________________________________ > > From: Dave Casserly <david.j.casserly(a)gmail.com> > >To: kalia(a)sbcglobal.net; Caller's discussion list < > callers(a)sharedweight.net> > >Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 1:56 PM > >Subject: Re: [Callers] Booking Ahead - (was ideas for callers about > sidelines) > > > >Could be true!? But in any event, that doesn't undermine my point-- those > >dancers, whether they book ahead or are just superb partners who get asked > >to dance very quickly, should shoulder some of the load of gender > >disparities by dancing with people of the same gender or sitting a dance > or > >two out on those nights. > > > >On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net> > wrote: > > > >> On 1/17/2013 11:34 AM, Dave Casserly wrote: > >> > >>> Instead, I think we should aim any solutions at the people > >>> who dance with those of the opposite gender every single dance, and do > not > >>> sit out the entire night.? Those are the people who are most > competitive > >>> about partnering and book ahead the most. > >>> > >> > >> Not necessarily.? They could equally well be known to be superb dancers > >> and enjoyable partners who simply get asked to dance very quickly, and > >> never feel a need to book ahead. > >> > >> Kalia > >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ > >> Callers mailing list > >> Callers(a)sharedweight.net > >> http://www.sharedweight.net/**mailman/listinfo/callers< > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers> > >> > > > > > > > >-- > >David Casserly > >(cell) 781 258-2761 > >_______________________________________________ > >Callers mailing list > >Callers(a)sharedweight.net > >http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:51:17 -0500 > From: Emily Addison <emilyladdison(a)gmail.com> > To: callers(a)sharedweight.net > Subject: [Callers] forgetting pencils for the moment... Ralph Page > anyone??? > Message-ID: > < > CAD7WKUX55pujY3hbw4xqbf9e1zeVPXug1p6izez2fsbDjmj7nw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Folks, > > Thanks so much for the feedback re whether to use pencil or not! I've been > wanting to respond other business has been keeping me away from the > computer. Will respond shortly though. :) > > In the meantime, is anyone from the list going to Ralph Page and would they > like to get together over Saturday lunch or something of the kind??? > > I won't be on email as of tonight but I am volunteering on the registration > door from 830-930pm so maybe we could connect then??? > > Hope to see a few of you! > Emily > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:52:43 -0800 > From: Greg McKenzie <grekenzie(a)gmail.com> > To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Booking Ahead - (was ideas for callers about > sidelines) > Message-ID: > <CAFqkWLtTN4j2vXhd8cQaSBLSxWzc_ENh8nLr= > aqc4i3gvcqtrA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Ron wrote: > > > Simply put: Booking ahead is a big threat to including new and/or > > infrequent dancers. > > > > No, actually. Booking ahead is not inherently a destructive thing. It > depends upon the purpose of the booker. Booking ahead can be a way of > securing a dance with a first-timer who might, otherwise, be preyed upon by > "icky" guys who favor young, innocent first-timers who are attractive...for > various reasons. For example: A young woman may have learned to swing > incorrectly which brings her into particularly intimate contact with every > gent who swings her. This woman may be "descended upon" by a few "icky" > guys who perceive this intimate contact as something the newcomer actually > enjoys when, really, she would love to learn that there are other ways to > swing that are less intrusive. > > Booking ahead may be the only way to get a dance with this woman to show > her a more comfortable swing position. Yes, I have done this, and the > women always seem relieved to learn that this is not a "normal" sort of > contact at a contra dance. If I did not book a dance with such a woman she > might leave the dance early deciding that the dance is "much too intimate > and familiar" for her tastes. > > There are other valid reasons to book ahead and they can be in support of a > generous and wonderful dance community. It might be true to say that > "excessive booking ahead" should be avoided. I book ahead only rarely, but > when I do most of the time it is with newcomers I want to encourage. > > It is good to see that many folks book ahead so rarely. It is worth noting > that someone who *always *books ahead will probably *never *have the > pleasure of dancing with these folks. The dedicated bookers and dedicated > non-bookers occupy different partnering dimensions and almost *never *dance > together. > > - Greg McKenzie > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:55:26 -0500 > From: Lindsay Morris <lindsay(a)tsmworks.com> > To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Booking Ahead - (was ideas for callers about > sidelines) > Message-ID: > < > CAGNhc2K_MHN02kHHhJ0_Lsc0odxcmbPgtpCG1vt59hUA1k5uJQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > There's magic in not knowing who you're going to be dancing with next. > > -------------------- > Lindsay Morris > CEO, TSMworks > Tel. 1-859-539-9900 > lindsay(a)tsmworks.com > > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Greg McKenzie <grekenzie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Ron wrote: > > > > > Simply put: Booking ahead is a big threat to including new and/or > > > infrequent dancers. > > > > > > > No, actually. Booking ahead is not inherently a destructive thing. It > > depends upon the purpose of the booker. Booking ahead can be a way of > > securing a dance with a first-timer who might, otherwise, be preyed upon > by > > "icky" guys who favor young, innocent first-timers who are > attractive...for > > various reasons. For example: A young woman may have learned to swing > > incorrectly which brings her into particularly intimate contact with > every > > gent who swings her. This woman may be "descended upon" by a few "icky" > > guys who perceive this intimate contact as something the newcomer > actually > > enjoys when, really, she would love to learn that there are other ways to > > swing that are less intrusive. > > > > Booking ahead may be the only way to get a dance with this woman to show > > her a more comfortable swing position. Yes, I have done this, and the > > women always seem relieved to learn that this is not a "normal" sort of > > contact at a contra dance. If I did not book a dance with such a woman > she > > might leave the dance early deciding that the dance is "much too intimate > > and familiar" for her tastes. > > > > There are other valid reasons to book ahead and they can be in support > of a > > generous and wonderful dance community. It might be true to say that > > "excessive booking ahead" should be avoided. I book ahead only rarely, > but > > when I do most of the time it is with newcomers I want to encourage. > > > > It is good to see that many folks book ahead so rarely. It is worth > noting > > that someone who *always *books ahead will probably *never *have the > > pleasure of dancing with these folks. The dedicated bookers and > dedicated > > non-bookers occupy different partnering dimensions and almost *never > *dance > > together. > > > > - Greg McKenzie > > _______________________________________________ > > Callers mailing list > > Callers(a)sharedweight.net > > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:57:53 -0500 > From: Richard Hart <richhart49(a)gmail.com> > To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net> > Subject: Re: [Callers] forgetting pencils for the moment... Ralph Page > anyone??? > Message-ID: > <CAB16f6BqU7Mvh4gJyN+seV33YrQXZbL1TDS3OoBkQJVJ-P1= > 7g(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'll be there. I'll make a callers' table sign if I can remember. > > Rich Hart, > RPDLW Committee member. > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Emily Addison <emilyladdison(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > Thanks so much for the feedback re whether to use pencil or not! I've > been > > wanting to respond other business has been keeping me away from the > > computer. Will respond shortly though. :) > > > > In the meantime, is anyone from the list going to Ralph Page and would > they > > like to get together over Saturday lunch or something of the kind??? > > > > I won't be on email as of tonight but I am volunteering on the > registration > > door from 830-930pm so maybe we could connect then??? > > > > Hope to see a few of you! > > Emily > > _______________________________________________ > > Callers mailing list > > Callers(a)sharedweight.net > > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:33:10 -0500 > From: Ron T Blechner <contraron(a)gmail.com> > To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net> > Subject: Re: [Callers] Booking Ahead - (was ideas for callers about > sidelines) > Message-ID: > <CAKRus= > VLQLQcy3ST5JHODXyfD1z5RdueiGkZbYQF+TPt7H87Yw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Kalia: Not necessarily, but ... in my experience, seriously ... yeah, it's > mostly booking ahead. > > Dave: The coolest, hippest dancers I know are the ones who enjoy dancing > either role with either gender - at least sometimes. (Not to mention that > dancing both roles makes you better at both.) > > Linda: I have the pleasure of calling BIDA this Sunday, for the first time. > When I got an e-mail from my contact regarding BIDA's community values, I > was *very* excited. > > Greg: That's an interesting argument, regarding saving the dancer from an > "icky" partner. I would retort, however, that is just a band-aid for a > larger problem that the dance community should be addressing. I think > introducing the concept of booking ahead to new dancers is a *bad* idea, > because it gives them the impression early on that it's okay. I'd rather > solve the challenge of on-boarding new people through encouraging > experienced dancers to look for them, rather than falling back on booking > them in advance. I've also noticed new people often sit out a lot, because > they're shy/tired/unsure of protocol. There's often lots of opportunities > to sit out, walk up to the person while they're sitting out, then invite > them to dance the next one. (I think there's an implicit difference between > booking the next dance with someone already dancing versus someone sitting > out.) > > Lindsay: YES. > > -Ron Blechner > > contradances.tumblr.com > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Lindsay Morris <lindsay(a)tsmworks.com > >wrote: > > > There's magic in not knowing who you're going to be dancing with next. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Callers mailing list > Callers(a)sharedweight.net > http://www.sharedweight.net/mailman/listinfo/callers > > > End of Callers Digest, Vol 101, Issue 40 > **************************************** >

12 years, 5 months

SW gatherings at Ralph Page

by Chris Weiler (home)

Hello everyone! This weekend is the Ralph Page Dance Legacy Weekend at the University of New Hampshire in Durham. As usual, it will be a wonderful gathering of dancers, callers and musicians to celebrate the history our wonderful tradition and those who continue to make it live. We have a blast and you won't find a group of dancers that is more elegant, fun, warm and friendly out there. As usual, on both Saturday and Sunday, SW has encouraged list participants (and those of a like mind) to push some tables together in the dining area and discuss matters related to dancing, calling, organizing or playing music for dances. We just geek right out for an hour or so! You're all welcome to join in and participate. It's a wonderful opportunity to meet and hang out with some fantastic people who provide such sage advice on our lists. My wife, Anne Obelnicki, and I will be there this year after sadly missing last year's. I look forward to meeting many new people from the list and greeting many old friends. Happy Dancing! Chris Weiler SharedWeight moderator, co-founder Craftsbury, VT P.S. If you don't know about the Ralph Page Weekend, here's the link. A highly recommended festival for those interested in the history of our tradition and meeting many of the people who made it possible for us to do this. http://ralphpage.neffa.org/

12 years, 5 months

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