Not the place for specific tax advice, ‘cause I’ll contradict Joe here and say that you can definitely still deduct expenses after 3 years of losses, you just may not be able to claim the loss (i.e., reduce your overall claimed income and hence tax bill).
Also, you only have to make quarterly payments if when you file your taxes at the end of the year you'll owe (i.e., write a check to the IRS for) more than $1000 (pretty sure that’s the current amount). If you’ve got a job that withholds tax from your pay, you can change your W-2 to have more withheld, instead of filing quarterly. And iirc, the first year you owe more than $1000 you won’t have to pay a penalty. (Bear in mind, if you’re trying to figure out where you are wrt that $1000, that self-employment tax is about twice as much as Social Security, ‘cause you’re paying both the employer and employee parts.)
You may just want to wait till you file taxes this year (maybe do it a little early), and pay for in-person tax help this year—my guess is you’ll see that it’s simple enough that after that you don’t need extra help. But I have a small simple side business and I found that the walk-through that online commercial tax filing (it needs to include the self-employment forms) was all I needed. Turbo Tax seems to be everyone’s favorite, though now that I know how it works I use a cheaper one.
Also, the librarian is your friend—ask this same question at your library. And there may be local help for small businesses. Were I’ve lived, tax help during tax season often happened at the library, so they may have that info too.
And I’ll say again—this isn’t the place for tax advice: don’t assume what I said is right either.
> On Jan 10, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Joe Kwiatkowski via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
> Slipped fingers. The IRS.gov <http://irs.gov/> website allows you to make estimated tax payments on line. You can also download the forms and instructions if you want. If you don't make a "profit" in your first three years, the IRS calls it a hobby. You still have to pay taxes, but you can't deduct expenses Find a tax shop or a book on small businesses. JKLasser has some good thouough books.
>
> Joe Kwiatkowski
>
> On Jan 10, 2020, at 5:06 PM, Don Veino via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <mailto:contracallers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote:
> OK, we all know we're really in this for the outrageous sums of money, right? ;-)
>
> But if you're lucky, you're finally at the stage where you're at least covering your costs and have enough gigs where you're concerned the IRS may expect you to be reporting your income, recording expenses, etc.
>
> I've looked into this somewhat and from what I can tell in the US, it involves making quarterly Social Security tax contributions on the income and including the income/expenses toward your estimated tax payments at the Fed/State/Local level. The trick is how.
>
> Does anyone have a pointer to a good tutorial or other tips/direct advice on the topic?
>
> (Apologies for the intrusion of the Real World into our magic place...)
Slipped fingers. The IRS.gov website allows you to make estimated tax payments on line. You can also download the forms and instructions if you want. If you don't make a "profit" in your first three years, the IRS calls it a hobby. You still have to pay taxes, but you can't deduct expenses Find a tax shop or a book on small businesses. JKLasser has some good thouough books.
Joe Kwiatkowski
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On Jan 10, 2020, 5:06 PM, at 5:06 PM, Don Veino via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>OK, we all know we're really in this for the outrageous sums of money,
>right? ;-)
>
>But if you're lucky, you're finally at the stage where you're at least
>covering your costs and have enough gigs where you're concerned the IRS
>may
>expect you to be reporting your income, recording expenses, etc.
>
>I've looked into this somewhat and from what I can tell in the US, it
>involves making quarterly Social Security tax contributions on the
>income
>and including the income/expenses toward your estimated tax payments at
>the
>Fed/State/Local level. The trick is *how*.
>
>Does anyone have a pointer to a good tutorial or other tips/direct
>advice
>on the topic?
>
>(Apologies for the intrusion of the *Real World* into our magic
>place...)
>
>
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On Jan 10, 2020, 5:06 PM, at 5:06 PM, Don Veino via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>OK, we all know we're really in this for the outrageous sums of money,
>right? ;-)
>
>But if you're lucky, you're finally at the stage where you're at least
>covering your costs and have enough gigs where you're concerned the IRS
>may
>expect you to be reporting your income, recording expenses, etc.
>
>I've looked into this somewhat and from what I can tell in the US, it
>involves making quarterly Social Security tax contributions on the
>income
>and including the income/expenses toward your estimated tax payments at
>the
>Fed/State/Local level. The trick is *how*.
>
>Does anyone have a pointer to a good tutorial or other tips/direct
>advice
>on the topic?
>
>(Apologies for the intrusion of the *Real World* into our magic
>place...)
>
>
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OK, we all know we're really in this for the outrageous sums of money,
right? ;-)
But if you're lucky, you're finally at the stage where you're at least
covering your costs and have enough gigs where you're concerned the IRS may
expect you to be reporting your income, recording expenses, etc.
I've looked into this somewhat and from what I can tell in the US, it
involves making quarterly Social Security tax contributions on the income
and including the income/expenses toward your estimated tax payments at the
Fed/State/Local level. The trick is *how*.
Does anyone have a pointer to a good tutorial or other tips/direct advice
on the topic?
(Apologies for the intrusion of the *Real World* into our magic place...)
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On Jan 3, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Erik Hoffman via Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> ...
> I'd look for other good 40-bar tunes like:
> • Three Thin Dimes
> • Three-way Hornpipe
> • The Snoring Mrs. Gobiel
> • the 5-part Fox Hunter's Jig
> ...
Those titles could be good leads, but beware that when a title is a associated with a 40-bar version of a tune, it may also be associated with versions of other lengths.
For example, "The Snoring Mrs. Gobiel" (a/k/a ("[La] Ronfleuse Gobiel") is indeed commonly played as a 40-bar tune, as in the rendition by La Bottine Souriante at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvLY38H9R0I
However, the Traditional Tune Archive's page on the tune
https://tunearch.org/wiki/Ronfleuse_Gobeil
shows both 32-bar and 40-bar versions, the essential difference being that the B part is played only once in the 32-bar version and twice in the 40-bar version. The 32-bar version is almost identical to the one in _The New England Fiddler's Repertoire_ (at least in my second edition). I presume the editors of NEFR chose a 32-bar version to fit standard-length contras. The annotations at
https://tunearch.org/wiki/Annotation:Ronfleuse_Gobeil
also mention a version lacking the C part recorded by Jos Bouchard under the title "Reel St-Siméon" and a slightly crooked version recorded by Isidore Soucy under the title "Gigue des vieux souliers" (Old Shoes Jig).
Unfortunately if a tune has been recorded in versions with different numbers of bars, the sample snippets at Amazon and other sites are often too short to reveal which version is being offered.
--Jim
Erik, I think you mean the Fox Hunter's Reel. The jig is a slip jig; the
reel is a 40-bar tune. Along those lines, Gravel Walks is typically played
as a 4-part, 40-bar tune (ABCDD) when it's played other than for contras so
could be added to your list of 40-bar tunes.
One issue with looking for sets with those tunes in them is that if the set
isn't intended for dancing, the remaining tunes in the set are not likely
to be 40 bars as well. Could be there are a few dance bands that have
recorded 40-bar sets that you'd find searching for the tunes, though.
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 2:35 PM Erik Hoffman via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> Here's a nice recording of Little Billy Wilson by Jane Rothfield. I don't
> know how long it is because I only heard the snippet:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Little-Billy-Wilsons/dp/B004CQJN8S
>
> I'd look for other good 40-bar tunes like:
>
> - Three Thin Dimes
> - Three-way Hornpipe
> - The Snoring Mrs. Gobiel
> - the 5-part Fox Hunter's Jig
>
> I know there are more, but that might be a start.
>
> ~Erik Hoffman
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Here's a nice recording of Little Billy Wilson by Jane Rothfield. I don't know how long it is because I only heard the snippet:
https://www.amazon.com/Little-Billy-Wilsons/dp/B004CQJN8S
I'd look for other good 40-bar tunes like:
* Three Thin Dimes
* Three-way Hornpipe
* The Snoring Mrs. Gobiel
* the 5-part Fox Hunter's Jig
I know there are more, but that might be a start.
~Erik Hoffman
