10 May
2012
10 May
'12
8:12 p.m.
I might suggest that there's a natural break-out topic:
"What makes a good caller? (both perspectives of caller, dancer, band,
and dance organizers all)"
I've heard a *lot* of callers talk about the difference of being "a
caller" and "a really good caller", and while experience is a
necessary condition, it is not, I believe, sufficient.
In dance,
Ron
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Michael Fuerst <mjerryfuerst(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Laurie:
Your remarks don't contradict mine. You emphasized "FEEDBACK" and an
individual's disposition to accept such. I suggested that calling takes
"40-100 hours practice over 10- 50 dance events needed to experience the various
things that might go wrong or that one might do wrong, while having more experienced
callers nearby to counsel one through the mishaps." I certainly could/should have
added that suggestions to aspiring callers can also come from dancers. In our context,
"counsel" and "feedback" seem synonymous. But in any case, a
caller unwilling to accept/ponder such counsel (feedback) from callers and dancers will
not improve.
Also you noted that some, after mentorship, classes, and support, still lack "the
thing that callers make." Can you explain what to you the missing "thing"
is? I suspect some of such persons either (1) need closer to 50 experiences to master
the necessary skills, and/or (2) have been unlucky to have well-meaning, but less
effective counselors
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217-239-5844
--- On Thu, 5/10/12, Laur <lcpgr(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Laur <lcpgr(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Callers] mentorship
To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
Date: Thursday, May 10, 2012, 12:28 AM
Michael,
Trust me, I (and I'm sure others) have seen callers go through mentorship, classes,
support, etc. And - they do not have the thing that callers make. Callers that are
serious want and need feedback, the community, the mentoring and again FEEDBACK. Those
that are- seek and respond to this. Those are nots - not. They are into them and not
into the rest. So the caution is - callers that aren't into the caller community
feedback mentorship ... lose. and the community that has to dance to them, loses.
Laurie P
West MI
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--- On Wed, 5/9/12, Michael Fuerst <mjerryfuerst(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Michael Fuerst
<mjerryfuerst(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: [Callers] mentorship
To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 3:06 AM
Contra calling is a relatively easy
skill to learn--much easier than mastering fiddle-playing,
auto repair, child rearing or Photoshop. After getting
several hours of initial instruction in contra calling, the
challenge becomes getting 40-100 hours practice over 10- 50
dance events needed to experience the various things that
might go wrong or that one might do wrong, while having more
experienced callers nearby to counsel one through the
mishaps. And of course workshops will intercept some of
the potential mishaps.
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL
61801 217-239-5844
--- On Wed, 5/9/12, Rich Goss <richgoss(a)comcast.net>
wrote:
From: Rich Goss <richgoss(a)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Callers] mentorship
To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 12:55 AM
I may have missed it, but I haven't seen William Watson's
excellent collection of caller resources.
http://www.quiteapair.us/calling/
Rich
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