*Fair disclaimer: *To say again, not everyone finds what I'm describing
below to be a problem; one caller I know and respect really likes it. I
grew up with folks who do high-precision and high-energy performance square
and folk dancing, so I'm a bit more sensitive to stylistic and timing
discrepancies than others may be. I prefer contras and contra tunes to be
crisply phrased, smooth, and tightly timed--almost like ECD. Squares, on
the other hand, I like to see full of driving power and energy.
That said, I'm not sure my point about frequent "fudging" at the end of the
dance quite came across right--I don't mean the final time through, I mean
every time through. Here's an example--it's not a good dance, just
something I'm writing down as an example based on the first time I
encountered the problem.
*Fudge the Position Sample Becket*
Becket
Author: Please don't credit me with this!
A1: Across the set, right and left thru.
Right and left back.
A2: Across the set circle left 3/4, neighbor swing on the side.
B1: ladies chain over and back.
B2: Circle left 3/4 and partner swing. (Oooze/shift/fudge left)
At the end of the sequence, I'm right where I started; if I swing for 12
and face in, I'm needing to do a right and left thru on the *diagonal*, not
straight across. The dance itself did not progress me, hence the need for
the fix at the end. My options are to:
- end the swing between 2 and 4 beats early (off phrase) and shift down,
- end the swing on time, shift down at the start of the A1, and rush the
R<,
- move down set while swinging with no fixed point of
reference--something difficult for many dancers,
- face the new two and do the first three figures on the angle, circling
7/8 instead of 3/4...but because we're on a longer path of travel, we're
going to have to rush, will likely be in other people's paths, and after
the swing there's a good chance we STILL won't be lined up across the hall
properly.
By comparison, if I did the first right and left thru on the diagonal and
ended in straight lines facing a NEW couple to right and left thru with,
the dance actually progresses everyone with no need for a fix, and all the
figures all start and end with the phrase. Yes, this particular dance
becomes a double progression in the process, but it would be less confusing
and flow better.
I hope that makes more sense.
Neal
Neal Schlein
Youth Services Librarian, Mahomet Public Library
Currently reading: *The Different Girl* by Gordon Dahlquist
Currently learning: How to set up an automated email system.
On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 10:21 AM, janet <janet(a)bertog.com> wrote:
My first guess isbthatvthey were not overly familiar
with what a Becket
dance is. Recently I asked a person to dance who had been coming fairly
frequently for a few weeks after the caller announced it was a Becket. He
was going to sit out because he didn't know what a Becket dance was. Some
callers don't say Becket, they just say turn your circles one place to the
left/right. As the last dance of the evening, I would hope the call
didn't have anything too complex (a major programming flaw in my book).
To address comments in the email below ...
1. Diaganol figures ... Except maybe slice left to a new couple, I can't
think of much I would consider for a last dance. Last dances should be
relatively simple so dancers can enjoy the music and the flow.
2. Debecketize maneuver ... I find this slightly annoying when callers say
"like all Becket dances" circle left and pass through. I hate more when
they either skip that part entirely in the walk through or start it un
Becketized and then tell you afterwards that it is Becket. If you don't
teach the walk through the way the dance is actually danced, you very well
could have confused newer dancers, especially.
Since he is unlikely to say anything himself, I will point out that the
"as with all Becket dances" comment was so annoying that Cary Ravitz once
called an entire evening where none of the Becket dances have that
progression ... None! And as most of you probably know, he writes a lot
of Becket dances.
Partner swings at the end of the dance. .. To me that is the number one
reason to have a Becket dance, especially as the last dance. You get to
end with your partner and the caller doesn't have to break the moment to
fudge the end to make you end with your partner. That being said, I do
know a couple Beckets that do not end that way. Cary's Autumn Air is a
pretty easy Becket that does not end with a partner swing.
3. If callers fudge the end of a duple improper dance to make it end with
your partner, it is generally their responsibility to make sure it works
smoothly. Most choreographers do not include an alternate ending to suggest
how to make this work, so it is on the caller to figure it out. If poorly
done, it can be really disappointing.
Janet
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-------- Original message --------
From: Neal Schlein via Callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Date: 12/10/2015 8:25 PM (GMT-05:00)
To:
Cc: callers <callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Becket Formation
Actually, I can see this.
As others suggested, it is probably a matter of the couple's prior poor
experiences with dances in Beckets. That said, there are two fairly common
tendencies in Becket formation choreography which are somewhat aggravating
and another which absolutely drives me up a wall. Other callers and
dancers don't seem to mind so much, but were it possible I would completely
avoid the dances which have the last one.
1. The first tendency has to do with diagonal figures, even though I like
them myself. They are often scrunched and uncomfortable, particularly
right and left throughs; people run into each other. Add to this the
slight disorientation for someone not used to diagonal figures, and it can
be unpleasant. In a nice open hall, they're perfectly fine. Not a problem
so much with the formation as with the fact that everyone is in the middle
all at once and it's confusing.
2. The second is what I like to call the "DeBecketize Manuever." How many
beckets start with, "Circle left 3/4 (and usually swing your neighbor" and
end with "Partner swing on the side!" (answer: TOO MANY) If all you are
going to do with the first move is take the dance out of Becket, it seems
like a cheap trick done just to make the dance "different." Again, not an
inherent problem of the formation, just a problem of choreographic
selection.
3. The third choreographic tendency is often tied to dances which feature
swings at the end of the dance: *partial or non progression*. This
problem, unlike the others, is actually made possible because of the
formation: such a difficulty isn't possible in a regular duple minor, and
it drives me absolutely NUTS. I have experienced a number of dances in
which the caller instructs the dancers to "fudge" or "maneuver" or
"sludge"
or some such to make the dance work. The contra doesn't actually progress
the couples down the line, but leaves them 1/2 progressed or
non-progressed--usually swinging partners on the outside, but not always.
Sliding up the outside from a circle is one thing; swinging on the outside
and fudging down the hall is another.
The annoyance of a non-progression can be mitigated if the caller teaches
it well (end facing across, look left and...), but to me the partial
progression problem always jars and simply seems to be excessively lazy
choreography.
Beak
Neal Schlein
Youth Services Librarian, Mahomet Public Library
Currently reading: *The Different Girl* by Gordon Dahlquist
Currently learning: How to set up an automated email system.
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 6:26 PM, John W Gintell via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
My favorite progression requires Becket
formation: circle left and then
slide up/down and circle with the next pair.
On Dec 10, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Greg Allan via
Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi,
That is a somewhat familiar story from my point of view. I dance in a
number of
different folk dancing communities - a varied program here in
Winnipeg. It's quite common, as people from one group attempt to get
interest from other dancing groups, that some people know what they like
and what they don't like, and that's that. For example, people who English
country dance often don't like contra because of the increased exertion and
tempo. Personally, I'm not much of a fan of triple minor dances. Everyone's
got their thing. But there's always a reason for it. It could be a bad
experience, or it could be a stylistic feature of a region, where everyone
does a figure in a way you find unpleasant. Hard to say. To leave an event
because someone programmed something you didn't like? ... I'm not sure to
make of it. You don't like it you don't like it, I suppose.
We don't do Becket formation here at all, really. If someone left at
the end
of a night because of Becket formation, I would assume they didn't
want to start learning new things late in the evening.
Greg
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