12 Dec
2013
12 Dec
'13
1:35 a.m.
You're absolutely right that something like that could go up fairly
quickly. I'm just afraid that it would take away from the possibility
of something much more useful, though harder to obtain. I don't think
it's forking the discussion to discuss whether this is a good idea.
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Alan Winston <winston(a)slac.stanford.edu> wrote:
I think this discussion is forking already.
If contra dances are going in Caller's Companion Online, or whatever, then,
yes, a standardized format is very important, and the XML-coded dances can
be searchable blobs in a database with links to video, suggested audio
tracks, calendars, or whatever.
However, if what we're talking about is a textual representation of contra
dance instructions posted by someone official with comments available on the
post then all we need is some Wordpress software, a commenter code of
conduct, and someone with a stick to who's able to remove inappropriate
comments. And the dance instructions don't actually have to use
standardized terminology or a standardized format; they're just text files.
If you want to make them searchable by, eg, 'hey for four', etc, you can
attach keyword tags to the post.
If the intellectual property concerns are sorted out, the technology is a
done deal already.
I would even say that you could just give posting rights to anyone who asks
for them with the understanding that they'll only post their own stuff.
Community upvote/downvote will pretty clearly, and soon, show who's posting
dances worth looking at. CDSS doesn't have to maintain an editorial
function; this can be useful regardless.
-- Alan
On 12/11/2013 4:57 PM, Mark Hillegonds wrote:
With a standard format, it would be interesting to then consider a
graphics portions of the database, which could provide a visualization of
the dance.
And speaking of videos, it would be worth considering storing links to
actual videos of the dances.
Mark Hillegonds
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On Dec 11, 2013, at 6:30 PM, Chris Lahey <clahey(a)clahey.net> wrote:
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be in a standardized format. This will make it much easier for people
to use them, to exchange them, and I hope will improve the folk
process.
I've started discussion and coding on an interchange format and have a
lot of ideas about making a database. I started working on this about
a year ago, but got distracted. I would love to work on it again.
The main thing I need help with is making sure people have interest in
what I'm doing and getting feedback on my work.
For those that are technically minded, the small start that I've made
is here: https://github.com/clahey/folkdancedb/wiki/_pages I would
love any feedback people have about the semantics rules and format.
Looking at it from the point of view of a user, I realize there is
probably a lot of complexity there, but hopefully any of that
complexity will be hidden from users by whatever software there is.
If people have any suggestions of ways to make this simpler while
still keeping accuracy, please make suggestions.
I've also realized that there's no example files, so I will make that
my first task. Well maybe my second task with my first task being a
TODO page.
Again, the URL for the wiki is currently:
https://github.com/clahey/folkdancedb/wiki/_pages
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Les Addison <les.addison(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
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+1 to Andrea and Kalia.
I like the idea of an online repository with notes/comments. It is
possible to set up a wiki so that people can upload a dance and that
only
comments to the dance can be made by others/edited.
I understand not wanting to have Yelp-like problems with phony reviews
and
grudge-fests, but I think that is something that can be maintained via
requiring CDSS membership and a non-anonymous log in/commenting
mechanism.
Les
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Kalia Kliban <kalia(a)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> On 12/11/2013 3:51 AM, Perry Shafran wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to figure out why having a database of dances would detract
>> from the folk process. Isn't the folk process considered the handing
>> down
>> of material from person to person, generation to generation? And
>> should
>> that not also include the way that material is handed down? I think
>> that a
>> database of dances is extremely helpful to the evolution of the folk
>> process. When the web evolved, people put their dances on the web for
>> all
>> to see, use, adapt. Now we have the cloud, and callers can share
>> their
>> dances using a cloud-based database. Considering that this is what
>> was
>> highly requested on the survey, I think that we need to find ways to
>> create
>> this repository of dances that also respects the rights of the
>> choreographers who write them.
>
>
> True enough, but hearing the experience of others with those dances can
> be
> really helpful. Just like on a recipe site, reading the comments can
> make
> a world of difference. If a preponderance of the commenters say "the
> dough
> was really sticky when freshly mixed, but a few minutes in the fridge
> made
> it perfectly easy to handle," or "letting the dancers who are out at
> the
> ends know not to cross over until _after_ the partner dosido solved the
> end
> effect problem," that would be really useful information to have. I'm
> all
> in favor of putting the dances up in original form, but followup user
> commentary is also incredibly helpful.
>
> Kalia
>
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