On giving weight, at least for allemandes: Think of your arm as spring--as it is
extended, you pull, as it is compressed, you push--with the goal of maintaining
comfortable tension with the other person
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217-239-5844
--- On Tue, 3/13/12, Bob Green <bobgreen(a)swbell.net> wrote:
From: Bob Green <bobgreen(a)swbell.net>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Re Allemande Hold (was Analysis of Stars)
To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 11:04 PM
The straight wrist is , of course, not the whole story...it also requires
keeping your hand out away from your body. You can keep your wrist perfetly
straight. and tweak the crap out of the other dancer by pulling in too far.
I believe this is one point where it is important to clarify what "giving
weight" is all about.
Bob
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Michael Fuerst <mjerryfuerst(a)yahoo.com>wrote;wrote:
Dancers who understand can wear badges that way
"I allemande with a
straight wrist"In fact, dance organizers can hand out badges or labels
with this to arriving dancers.
Michael Fuerst 802 N Broadway Urbana IL 61801 217-239-5844
--- On Tue, 3/13/12, Andrea Nettleton <twirly-girl(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Andrea Nettleton <twirly-girl(a)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [Callers] Re Allemande Hold (was Analysis of Stars)
To: "Caller's discussion list" <callers(a)sharedweight.net>
Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 9:38 PM
I don't know if seasoned dancers who engage in a bad habit are able to
hear that they are in error. In a new dancer workshop, I show and tell
that the two dancers in an allemande are like two panes in a revolving door
and their joined hands are like the post they turn around. Their arms
should be in a flat open W shape along the plane of the glass. They should
maintain the same relative position to one another. If they do so, and
keep their wrists flat, I say, they are well positioned to help one another
around with the firm presence of their bodies flowing into their arms. I
demonstrate that when one person tries to speed up by curling their wrist
and scooting faster than their complement, they not only break down all
possibility of teamwork, but can do damage. Here I make exaggerated
contortions with my demo partner. The point is generally well taken. I
don't know if one could get away with such a teaching point during the
evening,
unless you were doing a dance with
an allemande 2X round and could justify trying to keep everyone safe
while ensuring they had the tools to get all the way round twice? I don't
know. I think uncurling the curled fists that people impose on us while
dancing might be the best we can do for those with a deeply ingrained habit.
Andrea
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 13, 2012, at 8:42 PM, Chris Page <chriscpage(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Perry Shafran
<pshaf(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> Speaking of allemandes - is there ANY way to teach experienced dancers
to not
bend their wrists when they allemande? The wrist is supposed to be
straight, not bent, as bending can cause pain to the other person's wrist
(generally mine). Nowadays when I find a person allemande with a bent
wrist I go ahead and keep mine straight and sacrifice a good allemande with
weight for protecting my arm and wrist.
I wish I knew. I was teaching a pre-dance workshop at another place
and some of the "helpful" experienced dancers in the session were
steadfastly insisting that the bent wrist alternative was the only
safe one. Is there any way to deal with that without getting into an
noisy argument while the new dancers are trying to sort this stuff
out?
-Chris Page
San Diego
p.s. I'm not bothered by the hidden thumbs. The allemandes work fine
either way. The hidden thumbs just means the person's been hurt in the
past and is protecting themselves.
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