Re: [Callers] Surely this already exists?

Hi All: While I appreciate Jack's comments about the chain/B&S progression, that is more of a teaching issue than a choreographic one. More important is how much assistance those in the ladies role can get from their partner in B2b. In a chain they can get that from the joined hands in the long lines. But for the allemande L they need to let go from their partner and are on their own. That help would occur if Luke's dance finished with a ladies allemande R 1 1/2, but that would not flow as well into the next neighbor dosido. So I'll stick with Nice Combo/Troxler's on the Loose/Forgotten Treasure - Bob ________________________________ From: Callers &lt;callers-bounces(a)lists.sharedweight.net&gt; on behalf of Jack Mitchell via Callers &lt;callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net&gt; Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 10:27 PM To: Linda Leslie; Luke Donforth Cc: Callers(a)Lists.Sharedweight.net Subject: Re: [Callers] Surely this already exists? Though I know that there are lots of traditional dances with a ladies chain (turn away) new N...., I am really not crazy about them. Ok....I'll admit it, I actively dislike them. Particularly for new dancers, and particularly going to a discrete move like a balance. It requires the lady to extricate themselves from a previous neighbor (who should certainly not twirl and forget, but frequently does), and requires the (polite) gent to turn away from their direction of progression to get new ladies pointed in the right direction at the end of the courtesy turn before the gent can progress (and for that matter, requires the courtesy turn to be either done more quickly, or otherwise to be cut short to get everyone going in the right direction. (don't even get me started on dances that have a butterfly whirl -> turn away to a new neighbor). (There are dances -- like Punctuated Raindrops -- that have that progression, that I will still call a) because they're great dances other than that and b) because the timing of the progression isn't discrete -- if you're late to start the allemande L, it's ok, the timing will work out in the wash.) </rant> The ladies allemande L progression, 1) puts the ladies in a bit more control, 2) allows the caller to point out where they're going, and who they're going to and 3) leaves a free hand available to reach out to the new neighbor. Even with similarities in the rest of the dance, I think that is really enough to make it a distinct (and a more accessible) dance from the ones mentioned. Jack On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 9:53 PM Linda Leslie via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net<mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote: This dance is virtually the same as Troxler’s on the Loose, by Chris Ricciotti. The only difference in Chris’ dance is that the final move is a ladies chain. Beth Parkes also wrote a dance that is mostly the same: Forgotten treasure. She begins the dance with a N B&S, and ends it with a chain as well. Linda On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Luke Donforth via Callers <callers@lists.sharedweight.net<mailto:callers@lists.sharedweight.net>> wrote: _______________________________________________ Callers mailing list Callers@lists.sharedweight.net<mailto:Callers@lists.sharedweight.net> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/callers-sharedweight.net -- Jack Mitchell Durham, NC