10 Jul
2018
10 Jul
'18
3:46 p.m.
As a couple of folks have pointed out (thank you), there's a typo there.
The ladies take their partner's place, not neighbors. Thank you for
catching that and sorry for the confusion.
Michael, I'll track down some videos of dances with chevrons, thanks for
the aside.
I'm not sure about prompting it as an all cast, since that implies the
ladies facing back in after the move, and then casting out again. I was
envisioning more of a swoop wide, instead of breaking it into two moves.
Eventually I'll get some dancers to house-party it, and I'll see how they
both feel though.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Michael Dyck via Callers <
callers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
On 2018-07-10 08:18 AM, Luke Donforth via Callers
wrote:
This sounds like a nice figure, but my recommendation is: don't use the
phrase "half figure eight". Instead, you could say something like:
Ladies trade places, passing left shoulder,
then *all* cast one place counterclockwise around the set.
This has the gents wait a few beats before starting their cast, which your
original didn't, but I think it's better to have all the casts
synchronized. In an ECD setting, if you wanted to get fancy, you could have
the gents do an on-the-spot figure while the women cross, like a set or
turn single.
<aside Your figure reminds me of the
figure "chevron" (which is mainly ECD but is
infiltrating contra), the main difference being that in a chevron, the
diagonal-crossers walk straight backwards into their final place rather
than casting there. There are also variations re whether they back along or
across, and whether the others cast in the same direction as the backing-up
or the opposite direction. E.g.,
Victor Skowronski's "Companions" has:
diagonals back *across* + others cast *same* direction.
Fried de Metz Herman's "Mylecharane" has:
diagonals back *along* + others cast *opposite* direction.
I'm not sure there's a dance with back *along* + cast *same*, which would
be the combination closest to your figure.
</aside
-Michael
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Hello all,
I've been thinking about half figure eights, and variations on them. Is
anyone familiar (in ECD, contra, or other traditions), where instead of the
1s or 2s half figure eight, having the gents or ladies do the move from
improper formation?
Normally, for a half figure eight (HFE), the 4 dancers start at roughly
the corners of a square, and the dancers from one 'side' start by crossing
through the dancers on the opposite 'side', e.g.
twos HFE up (through the ones)
or
(from a proper set) men HFE across (through the women)
Your variation is to have the moving dancers start from *diagonal* corners.
For dancers familiar with HFE, I think the first reaction might be: you've
got your calls mixed up, the women aren't in the correct positions to do an
HFE. Once you convince them that this is intended, the next question might
be: should the women move as if for an HFE *across* or an HFE *along*?
As soon as you have something like the ladies do a half figure eight from
duple improper; they're either going to have
to shift where they land, or
the gents are going to have to get out of the way. It seems to me (during
my insomnia, not with actual dancers in a house party) that you could have
the gents cast off and over to a ladies place. i.e.:
/Ladies half figure eight, passing left shoulder in the middle to take
neighbor gents' place/
(Presumably you mean their *partner* gent's place. They *could* go to the
neighbor gent's place, but then you'd want them passing *right* in the
middle, and the gents casting over *right* shoulder to *neighbor*'s place,
to avoid collisions.)
/Meanwhile, gents cast over left shoulder to take partner's place/