ok just one more thought:
I like this figure because (IMHO anyhow), it does fulfill the purpose that was under
discussion...
for a beginner, it is straightforward in that (if the 16 beats are taken as a whole), it
does not move them out of home place.
Maybe they don't get the beat just right (though like I said, my 40 novice dancers all
got it right away) - but they can't really mess up the dance or get lost.
And... apparently based on this discussion - it could provide something novel, and
slightly challenging, for more experienced dancers? :)
KK
Sep 27, 2023 11:39:00 AM Katherine Kitching via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>et>:
I had never thought of that....
Like I said, I just called it and it went well - no questions, no issues, lots of
enjoyment-- (with a number of beginners and nobody else in the group of 40+ people
terribly advanced) - and it certainly didn't seem to hamper their dancing abilities in
that dance or any future one.
When I dance it here in my house to try it out, I feel there is still a great rhythm to
that combination--maybe it's got a bit of a syncopated feel?
Anyhow, I still say, "don't knock it till you try it" :)
KK
Sep 27, 2023 11:23:18 AM Tony Parkes <tony(a)hands4.com>om>:
> I’m not saying this phrasing should be outlawed. But it’s enough of a challenge to
get new folks to do a balance on 1-2-3-4 without giving them an exception early on.
>
> Tony Parkes
> Billerica, Mass.
>
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>
>
> *From:* Katherine Kitching <kat(a)outdooractive.ca>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2023 10:03 AM
> *To:* Tony Parkes <tony(a)hands4.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Callers] Re: Most-Easiest Duple Minors in existence
>
> aw, really?
>
> I say, don't knock it till you try it :)
>
> - I had a mix of beginner and more experienced dancers - I didn't explain it any
detail, I just demo'd it once, and then they all did it easily and with gusto. :D
>
> Sep 27, 2023 10:50:10 AM Tony Parkes <tony(a)hands4.com>om>:
>
> Ah, thanks.
> Different strokes for different folks. I don’t think I could bring myself to ask for
a balance on 3-4-5-6 of an 8-count phrase.
> Tony Parkes
> Billerica, Mass.
>
www.hands4.com[http://www.hands4.com/]
> New book! Square Dance Calling: An Old Art for a New Century
> (available now)
> *From:* Katherine Kitching <kat(a)outdooractive.ca>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2023 9:46 AM
> *To:* Tony Parkes <tony(a)hands4.com>
> *Cc:* Shared Weight Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Callers] Re: Most-Easiest Duple Minors in existence
> haha I was unsure it would work when I called it for the first time the other night -
but it worked great!!
>
> Previously I had done LLFB, LLF and pull by, LLFB, LLF and pull by--
>
> but my dancers did it so fast and energetically there was a super long and awkward
pause after they pulled by and turned to face their partner again.
>
> the secret is, it only takes them 2 counts to get close enough to rt-hand balance.
>
> so it's 1-2 (walk), 1-2-3-4 (balance), and 1-2 pass by and turn - that part is
admittedly fast, but they enjoyed the challenge of it and it really livened up this
beginner-oriented dance.
>
> Sep 27, 2023 10:40:00 AM Tony Parkes via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>et>:
>
> “- LLFB, LLF, balance pull by:, LLFB, LLF, balance pull by again”
> Will someone please explain the timing of this sequence? I get 8 steps for LLFB, 4
for LLF, 4 for a balance, and 4 for a pull by, adding up to 20; but I assume it’s intended
to be done in 16. (I’m assuming that “turn to face in” is done as part of the pull by – no
problem there.) Is there actually no LLF apart from the balance?
> Tony Parkes
> Billerica, Mass.
>
www.hands4.com[http://www.hands4.com/]
> New book! Square Dance Calling: An Old Art for a New Century
> (available now)
> *From:* Katherine Kitching via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 27, 2023 9:33 AM
> *To:* Joe Harrington <contradancerjoe(a)gmail.com>
> *Cc:* contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
> *Subject:* [Callers] Re: Most-Easiest Duple Minors in existence
> lol "full washing machine" - I hadn't heard that before!
>
> I agree on avoiding the full one as much as possible - but I quite like just a
circle-left-circle-right - brings the group together for some smiles and allows for fancy
footwork for those who want to throw in a little something extra.
>
> But it may be interesting to ask the group to compile a list of beginner-friendly
figures, beyond the very basic ones like allemandes and do si dos, that could be used to
put together some dances of the type that you (and I, always!!) are seeking?
>
> My criteria would be:
>
> - does not take anyone out of home place
> (or takes them out temporarily but puts them back again, such as pulling by your
partner across the set, but then pulling by again within the next 1 or 2 moves).
>
> - doesn't involve anything that is known to cause confusion for total beginners,
such as courtesy turns or heys.
>
> _Here are some that I like:_
>
> - do si do as couples
>
> - LLFB, LLF, balance pull by:, LLFB, LLF, balance pull by again
>
> - take 4 steps left then 4 steps right, around the oval
>
> - turn and walk individually around the oval for 8, then back for 8
>
> - balance and spin the star (as per Louise S)
>
> - balance the ring, then 2 hand balance your partner
>
> - holding hands, veer right then left with your partner to progress
>
> - what else?? :)
>
> Sep 27, 2023 12:44:51 AM Joe Harrington <contradancerjoe(a)gmail.com>om>:
>
> Thanks for this thread! My group is tired of me bailing out to a small collection of
trivial contras (Airpants, Midwest Folklore...).
> How about the easiest dance *that experienced dancers don't mind dancing*? I have
always disliked the "full washing machine" of circle left, circle right, star
right, star left. Even a half-wash makes my shoulders sag, inwardly. Of course, I will
try to do them with a smile and encourage both the new dancers and the caller. But,
surely we can make it a little more interesting without losing the newbies. Airpants and
Midwest Folklore do, though they involve swings. Elbow or crossed-hand swings are fine for
this and don't need to be taught outside of a walkthrough. If I'm using these
dances in a workshop, I do tell the experienced dancers not to teach the ballroom swing,
we'll get to that in a minute. Otherwise, they all try.
> --jh--
> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 7:27 PM Katherine Kitching via Contra Callers
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