3 Apr
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3 Apr
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2:36 p.m.
Definitely an intriguing dance! For what it’s worth, I foresee danger in
having both a standard (right) petro and a left petro in the same dance.
Since both of these moves start from basically a standstill, there’s no
momentum hint to remind dancers which one they’re supposed to be doing – at
best, you’ll get a lot of of people doing the wrong one by accident, at
worst there will be a lot of collisions.
If you’re going to do a left petro, I might suggest doubling down and
really making it the choreographic hook of your dance, because right now it
feels a bit like an afterthought. (And it’s sufficiently novel that if you
want people to do it right, it’ll behoove you to give them lots of
practice!)
Getting rid of the right petro would be a good start, but you could also
take it one step further and find another place to incorporate a left petro
(ideally with nice flow out of it so it feels like it’s supposed to be
there, and isn’t just arbitrary—you do a good job of this with the existing
left petro in here being followed by a RH pullby).
Feel free to ignore, of course, but that’s my two cents!
Cheers,
Maia in Brooklyn
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On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 1:16 PM Sam Whited via Contra Callers <
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That's a fair point, maybe I just drop the pull by
entirely and make it
a by the left and call it a day. It does feel nicer with hands to me,
but if it doesn't work it doesn't work.
Thanks,
Sam
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You could do a cross trail through (i.e. two changes of a circular
hey: pass P right, N left).
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Whew, you scared me there!
RE: the right hands, that makes sense to me, but since it was outside
hands (in a ring), I couldn't really swap hands (since the larks
would
have their right hand free, but the robin coming at them would have
their left hand free. I'll think more about that more; the ring
balance
felt good since you're coming out of a swing and already have
hands with
your neighbor, but it does rather break the flow of all the pull
by's,
so maybe I'll drop it.
Thank you for the notes!
—Sam
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🤦🏻 Reading is not my forte. I completely missed
the final next
neighbor balance and petronella left.
I have no issue with the balance and petronella left. That will
be fun.
There might be issues with the pass right pull by
right - having
two
rights in a row.
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I believe you're improper during the progression (the pull by
right to
next neighbors in the beginnig of B1), so the
petronella left
puts you
back in becket for the start of the dance, no?
This is the only
thing
that's changed from last night so it's
quite possible I've
broken it,
but I'm going through it in my head and I
think it's equivalent
to the
circle right 3 that used to be there (or at
least, I can't
figure out
> how you'd be in becket at the end unless I've mis-typed something
> earlier in the dance that I'm not seeing).
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> Hi all,
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> I've got a dance in my sketchbook that I think is ready for a > feedback after trying it with a small group
of dancers last
night, and
> I'm hoping to solicit some from more
experienced
choreographers before I
> call it again. I'm also open to name
suggestions if you have
any (I hate
> naming things)!
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> Untitled, Duple becket
> A1. Neighbors balance across & pull by right, partner pull by;
shadows
> balance and box the gnat [1]
> A2. Pull by and partner swing
> B1. Balance and petronella; neighbor swing
> B2. Ring balance, pass partner by right [2], neighbor pull by
right;
> next neighbor balance and petronella left
>
> [1]: The shadow _balance_ in A1 is outside of your minor set
along the
> lines.
> [2]: On the _pass by_ in B2 give a little tug on your outside
hands to
> get momentum. This is really another
"pull by", but "pull by
right with
> > outside hands" is a mouthful and confused the experienced
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> —Sam
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> P.S. I originally had a balance before the neighbor swing too,
so the
> swing was effectively just switching sides.
Maybe I should
have called
> > it a roll away and just had no neighbor swing, but the >
dancers were not pleased and wanted a full neighbor swing so I
caved
> even though the petronella into a swing
feels a bit "smooth"
compared to
> the rest of the dance; I could still go
either way on that one.
>
> P.P.S. I'm also aware that the petronella left is not common
to say
the
> least. I've seen it once or twice and
always enjoyed it, but
maybe it's
> > best to steer clear? I originally had that as a circle right 3 >
figured that if the experienced dancers were already going to be
> confused I might as well swap it for something where I can fit
a balance
> like the rest of the dance. I'm not sure
if this logic
actually makes
> sense, but it felt fun to me. Last night I
called it with the
circle
> right, so that's the only part of the
dance that hasn't been
tried on
> real dancers.
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