Julia,
I appreciate the additions (especially as, myself, a scientist appreciating
good science), however, I'm uncertain your intentions with your reply.
This does not take into account immunocompromised people or those who
medically cannot be vaccinated, or family members of either.
Also, people who get less severe Covid-19 are, by definition, more likely
to not know they have it, and thus, pass it along.
It also doesn't take into account points already brought up - ongoing need
for proof of vaccinated people being non-carriers, and variants in
existence and/or that will continue to mutate until we have global herd
immunity.
As stewards of our community, we have an obligation and opportunity to show
that we're serious about our shared values of inclusion and safety for our
friends and loved ones with which we share the joy of dancing.
I really like what Woody's leadership in speaking out in caution on this.
CDSS is having its 4th reentry talk on May 19th. Their previous ones have
bee excellent, and included medical and legal experts. I would encourage
everyone to consider this talk - or similar - as essential resources for
us; callers and organizers are stewards for our community.
Sincerely,
Ron Blechner
On Sun, May 9, 2021, 2:01 PM Julia Whiteneck via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Thank you for thinking about this. Efficacy is NOT
efficiency. So,
actually, the efficacy relates to the number of people who would have
gotten the disease. So, the 5% is applied to the people who would have
gotten the disease if not vaccinated.
So - of 1000 dancers, 100 might have gotten Covid-19 unvaccinated, but
vaccinated, the expectation is that 5 to 10 of the 1000 dancers will
contract Covid-19. What is 100% though, is that any of those 10 who get the
disease will not be hospitalized (symptoms would not require hospital
treatment or intubation) IF they get Covid-19.
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*From:* Woody Lane via Contra Callers <
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*Sent:* Saturday, May 8, 2021 8:49 PM
*To:* contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net <
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*Subject:* [Callers] Re: Question on Gig Requests
Hi Everyone,
I wanted to thank you all for such insightful comments. The discussion
touched a lot of bases, often from different perspectives. But these
comments have been very helpful to me, and hopefully to everyone. Thanks
for spending the time constructing responses.
I'll add one more thing -- something I've been considering (since I spend
a lot of time with numbers. I've also written this for the Trad Callers
listserv so some here may have seen it.) --
The vaccines are 90%-95% effective, with those numbers derived from Phase
III Trials each with fewer than 30,000 adults per treatment. Even if that
observed efficacy accurately described the population, it would mean that
5%-10% of those fully vaccinated folks would still be vulnerable to the
virus. Consider an indoor dance with 100 dancers who were all vaccinated --
assuming that the organizers found a way of enforcing a vaccinated-only
entry requirement. Those numbers would suggest that the room would still
contain 5-10 dancers who were not protected. Now include the existence
today of covid variants that are much more aggressively infectious than the
original virus, and more virulent. In a room where the primary activity
specializes in people holding each other close and breathing into each
other's faces. In addition, we really don't know if vaccinated people can
carry the virus and possibly transmit it. Now add to the room a few people
who came in because it's a public event but who are not vaccinated. Sure,
masks would help, and so would good air turnover in the room. But still . .
I really like Ken's suggested approach of "chilling out" -- as in
what's
the rush in the face of a deadly, highly contagious respiratory disease
that has political overtones.
Woody
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On 5/4/2021 1:37 PM, Woody Lane via Contra Callers wrote:
Hi Everyone,
The pandemic has shut down dances for nearly 15 months, but things may be
beginning to change. I would like your input on this --
I just received my first request to call at a regular community dance. The
dance would be scheduled for September. (The organizers are beginning to
schedule for the fall.) This would be a typical evening indoor dance held
in a gym. Pre-covid attendance was 70-100. The organizers assured me that
safety protocols would be followed, etc. I have not responded yet. (I am
fully vaccinated.)
Has anyone else begun receiving invitations to call dances? How far out?
What are your thoughts on this situation? What is your sense of risk and
comfort and community responsibility? I'd really like to get some feedback
from this group.
Thanks!
Woody
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Woody Lane
Caller, Percussive Dancer
Roseburg, Oregon
http://www.woodylanecaller.com
cell: 541-556-0054
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