15 Feb
2023
15 Feb
'23
5:30 a.m.
Erik, I don't see a a link to the spiral dance / snake shedding its skin
you said you had!
Sort of related, I called The Double Bow Knot two nights ago at a regular
contra dance. Here's a link to a video cause it's hard to explain!
https://youtu.be/3ZD_C52eVt4 It has circles and arches and it sort of
spirals, though I wouldn't call it a large spiral dance. You could
potentially do that dance and then have the double bow knot figure with a
large circle. It's a super fun dance.
As an aside, last night I went to the old time jam, and one of our long
time local square dance callers wanted a word with me - he said "I heard
you called a square dance last night!" I found this interaction lovely and
hilarious. In our contra dance community, we've experienced the same
decline in squares' popularity. I think it's possible and valuable to bring
squares and other formations and styles of dance back in. I'm inspired by
the joy and accessibility of the old-time square dances that brought me to
contra dancing in the first place. I'm inspired by New England dancers'
love for English country dance. I'm inspired by anything that can break the
mold and get people to interact in ways they maybe weren't expecting. Isn't
that part of what makes contra dance so great? We go from our days of
separateness and individualism to an evening of mutual and communal
movement, living in the moment.
Anyway, cheers!
Liz Burkhart from Cincinnati
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1. Re: Gentlespoons/Ladles (from Rompin' Stompin') (Julian Blechner)
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3. Re: The Spiral Dance (frannie)
4. Re: The Spiral Dance (Casey Carr)
5. Re: The Spiral Dance (Meg Dedolph)
6. Re: The Spiral Dance (Jessica Atkinson)
7. Re: The Spiral Dance (Jerome Grisanti)
8. Re: Gentlespoons/Ladles (from Rompin' Stompin') (Bree Kalb)
9. Re: Gentlespoons/Ladles (from Rompin' Stompin') (Jon Greene)
10. Re: The Spiral Dance (Stein, Robert)
11. Re: The Spiral Dance (Luke Donforth)
12. Re: The Spiral Dance (Mary Collins)
13. Re: Gentlespoons/Ladles (from Rompin' Stompin') (Julian Blechner)
14. Re: The Spiral Dance (Katherine Kitching)
15. Antivaxx stuff (Julian Blechner)
16. Re: The Spiral Dance (Louise Siddons)
17. Re: The Spiral Dance (Erik Hoffman)
18. Re: Gentlespoons/Ladles (from Rompin' Stompin') (Erik Hoffman)
19. Re: The Spiral Dance (Rich Goss)
20. Re: Gentlespoons/Ladles (from Rompin' Stompin') (Jeff Kaufman)
21. Re: Gentlespoons/Ladles (from Rompin' Stompin') (Dan Kappus)
22. Re: The Spiral Dance (Jacob or Nancy Bloom)
23. Re: The Spiral Dance (Helle Hill)
24. Re: The Spiral Dance (Jimmy Akin)
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Subject: [Callers] Re: Gentlespoons/Ladles (from Rompin' Stompin')
2 items.
1. Jets/Rubies
A story I'm unsure how many have heard:
Ultimately, what sunk "jets/rubies" wasn't so much "airplane" or
"black/red" (ships and planes are traditionally named after women, so, I
never got the whole "a jet is masculine" thing, but, I digress).
A dance I called in Brooklyn with Bob Isaacs was a tipping point - before
Brooklyn's contra dance had settled on terms.
The orgs got a few complaints that "jets" sounded _too_ much like
"gents"
in a "who are we kidding?" sort of way.
This came as a surprise to me, as the going assumption was that "sounds
like gents, but isn't actually gents" was a feature, not a bug (coming from
Hampshire College's tests that Jets/Rubies had initially became the initial
non-bands/bares popular set of genderfreee terms to try out). Jets/Rubies
was also my favorite, but my experience isn't a transgender one, and being
queer isn't a uniform viewpoint.
2. Maia's email:
Amen.
I had reached out to Jon in a private email, asking about whether the tone
of the email was joking or not; I've received no reply.
At a face value read of that email, it wasn't especially tactful or
sensitive to anyone that's not cisgender and straight on this email list.
Jon's email could be an attempt at humor, so, I'll leave that there, but,
the email bothered me as well and I'm happy Maia spoke up rather than
letting that be without any response.
in dance,
Julian
On Mon, Feb 13, 2023, 11:07 PM Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers <
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Unfortunately Jets/Rubies sounds gendered to a
lot of people: while "Jet"
is a jemstone, it's also an engine, a plane, sports team, and a fictional
gang, all more male-ish than female-ish. And "Ruby" is a commonish female
name and gemstones are more associated with women than men.
There's also a lot of benefit in having terms with "L" and "R" to
tie the
role names to the roles.
It's definitely harder for experienced dancers and callers to switch from
Ladies/Gents to Larks/Robins than to Jets/Rubies, but as someone who helped
their dance switch over (and who considered Jets/Rubies at the time) people
got the new terms pretty quickly. It's a total non-issue at our dance now.
Jeff
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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:42:45 -0500
Subject: [Callers] The Spiral Dance
Greeting callers!
I am calling a friend's wedding this weekend and she requested "the spiral
dance," a circle dance where at some point one person leads everyone into a
spiral (or, optionally, anywhere around the hall?). I think I've danced it
before, but I'm having a hard time finding a name or notes on how to call
it. Can anyone share a version with me?
Thanks in advance,
Hannah Chamberlain
(outside of) Portland, ME
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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:54:06 -0400
Subject: [Callers] Re: The Spiral Dance
Lisa Greenleaf lead a spiral waltz at my wedding. If you are friends with
me or Dan Vilter on Facebook he took a video and you could watch it. One of
us shares it every January 5th or so. It's a great video. Lisa had
everyone form a circle around us (bride and groom) she let us start
waltzing in the middle before leading all the guests around us in a
circle/spiral left, with her only holding one person's hand. As the circle
got smaller and closer to us she inverted the circle and spiraled everyone
back out from the center. Then she told everyone to waltz with their
partners. It was a wonderful moment, it makes a great video and it's
really easy to do. Also since it's just walking in a circle it's easy to
get everyone up to do it.
Good luck!
~Frannie Marr
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023, 8:43 AM Hannah Chamberlain via Contra Callers <
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I LIKE THIS!
I hereby nominate "jets and rubies" as the likeliest contender, far
outshining my own personal fallback, suns-and-moons.
And btw, I'm absolutely seeing "jets" in my mind as black shiny beads,
not flying machines.
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jets/rubies might be the best solution several
reasons:
(1) no relation to gender roles,
(2) sound like gents and ladies, satisfying those who cognitively have
difficulty associating larks and robins with the corresponding roles.
(3) easier and faster to say. Jets, unlike larks, has no hard
consonant.
Rubies has a hard consonant "b", but
the sound of the "u" leaves one's
lips
and tongue positioned perfectly to utter the
"b". (This is a benefit
to new
callers, who often have difficulty prompting on
time.)
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Greeting callers!
I am calling a friend's wedding this weekend and she requested "the
spiral dance," a circle dance where at some point one person leads everyone
into a spiral (or, optionally, anywhere around the hall?). I think I've
danced it before, but I'm having a hard time finding a name or notes on how
to call it. Can anyone share a version with me?
Thanks in advance,
Hannah Chamberlain
(outside of) Portland, ME
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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:10:17 -0500
Subject: [Callers] Re: The Spiral Dance
Frannie, what a great use of the spiral! I think of this move as an add
on (as Lisa used it) vs a dance. I will often use a spiral at a community
dance and attach it to the end of a circle dance or a big Southern Circle
Mixer... also great at weddings, private parties, etc.
I start it by having everyone circle left and then I hop off the stage and
lead the spiral as Frannie described. The tricky part is at the end of
unwinding the spiral you have to lead the group slowly in order to leave
enough time for the end of the spiral to unwind before you get them back
into a big circle left. Once they are circling left again at the end I
have them go into the middle twice with big shouts. Sometimes I'll also
have the whole circle rip and snort before the spiral. It's always a hit!
Casey Carr
On 2/14/2023 7:54 AM, frannie via Contra Callers wrote:
Lisa Greenleaf lead a spiral waltz at my wedding. If you are friends with
me or Dan Vilter on Facebook he took a video and you could watch it. One of
us shares it every January 5th or so. It's a great video. Lisa had
everyone form a circle around us (bride and groom) she let us start
waltzing in the middle before leading all the guests around us in a
circle/spiral left, with her only holding one person's hand. As the circle
got smaller and closer to us she inverted the circle and spiraled everyone
back out from the center. Then she told everyone to waltz with their
partners. It was a wonderful moment, it makes a great video and it's
really easy to do. Also since it's just walking in a circle it's easy to
get everyone up to do it.
Good luck!
~Frannie Marr
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023, 8:43 AM Hannah Chamberlain via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Greeting callers!
I am calling a friend's wedding this weekend and she requested "the
spiral dance," a circle dance where at some point one person leads everyone
into a spiral (or, optionally, anywhere around the hall?). I think I've
danced it before, but I'm having a hard time finding a name or notes on how
to call it. Can anyone share a version with me?
Thanks in advance,
Hannah Chamberlain
(outside of) Portland, ME
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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:20:31 -0600
Subject: [Callers] Re: The Spiral Dance
The thing I learned from doing this is that the person leading the front
has to take *very small* steps - smaller than a full step - or else things
get stretched out and uncomfortable at the end.
Good luck! It's a fun dance and people really seem to get a kick out of it.
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 7:10 AM Casey Carr via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Frannie, what a great use of the spiral! I think
of this move as an add
on (as Lisa used it) vs a dance. I will often use a spiral at a community
dance and attach it to the end of a circle dance or a big Southern Circle
Mixer... also great at weddings, private parties, etc.
I start it by having everyone circle left and then I hop off the stage
and lead the spiral as Frannie described. The tricky part is at the end of
unwinding the spiral you have to lead the group slowly in order to leave
enough time for the end of the spiral to unwind before you get them back
into a big circle left. Once they are circling left again at the end I
have them go into the middle twice with big shouts. Sometimes I'll also
have the whole circle rip and snort before the spiral. It's always a hit!
Casey Carr
On 2/14/2023 7:54 AM, frannie via Contra Callers wrote:
Lisa Greenleaf lead a spiral waltz at my wedding. If you are friends
with me or Dan Vilter on Facebook he took a video and you could watch it.
One of us shares it every January 5th or so. It's a great video. Lisa had
everyone form a circle around us (bride and groom) she let us start
waltzing in the middle before leading all the guests around us in a
circle/spiral left, with her only holding one person's hand. As the circle
got smaller and closer to us she inverted the circle and spiraled everyone
back out from the center. Then she told everyone to waltz with their
partners. It was a wonderful moment, it makes a great video and it's
really easy to do. Also since it's just walking in a circle it's easy to
get everyone up to do it.
Good luck!
~Frannie Marr
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023, 8:43 AM Hannah Chamberlain via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 09:04:01 -0500
Subject: [Callers] Re: The Spiral Dance
I’ve done this often as part of the Grand March, I do it as the first
“dance” of the evening. The only people who really need to know what will
happen is the first few people - I typically lead the group, and either
prompt the next couple of people as necessary or give them a heads up
before the dance. I don’t often do it as a partner dance just so that
everyone of all ages can join in, and let everyone know it’s a “follow the
leader” dance. I turn on the music, start walking around and have people
join onto the end of the line as I weave around room. Once everyone
interested has joined, I lead the line in a circle around the edge of the
room. Gradually I tighten the circle in a spiral formation until there’s
just a small space in the middle - you do have to slow down as the spiral
tightens to avoid too much pulling on arms. Once there’s just a bit of
space in the middle, it’s a sharp u-turn for the leader, then spiral out.
It is everyone’s favorite moment when it happens, especially if they didn’t
realize it was coming! From there, as the spiral unwinds I lead around in a
circle again until the next set of figures. I will weave in and out of the
line without dropping hands as one move. Another is making arches - the
first two make an arch, the line travels under and the next two make an
arch and so on everyone has travelled under the arches and then formed one.
At the point the arches “collapse” - the lead two people drop their arch
and then travel under the arch themselves. Once out on the other side, can
either transition to a move with everyone paired up or form up the
line/ring of joined hands. When done with live music, once I’ve completed
all the figures I drop hands and everyone gathers around where the band is
and claps along until the music stops. Hopefully that makes sense! I can’t
remember which book, but either Sashay the Donut or Listen to the
Mockingbird describes some of the different possible moves. Google may
bring up some different ideas and videos as well. 🙂
-Jessica
Greeting callers!
I am calling a friend's wedding this weekend and she requested "the
spiral dance," a circle dance where at some point one person leads everyone
into a spiral (or, optionally, anywhere around the hall?). I think I've
danced it before, but I'm having a hard time finding a name or notes on how
to call it. Can anyone share a version with me?
Thanks in advance,
Hannah Chamberlain
(outside of) Portland, ME
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On Feb 14, 2023, at 7:43 AM, Hannah Chamberlain
via Contra Callers <
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Greeting callers!
I am calling a friend's wedding this weekend and she requested "the
spiral dance," a circle dance where at some point one person leads everyone
into a spiral (or, optionally, anywhere around the hall?). I think I've
danced it before, but I'm having a hard time finding a name or notes on how
to call it. Can anyone share a version with me?
Thanks in advance,
Hannah Chamberlain
(outside of) Portland, ME
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Cc: Hannah Chamberlain <hannahchamb(a)gmail.com>om>, Shared Weight Contra
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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 09:17:49 -0500
Subject: [Callers] Re: The Spiral Dance
I would add this it's important for the dancers to know to keep holding on
during the spiral.
Also, I often quip as the ball is nearing its tightest that "planning
ahead wasn't always my strongest skill."
Adds a bit of drama as people wonder, "how's this going to end?"
Jerome
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023, 9:04 AM Jessica Atkinson via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> I’ve done this often as part of the Grand March, I do it as the first
> “dance” of the evening. The only people who really need to know what will
> happen is the first few people - I typically lead the group, and either
> prompt the next couple of people as necessary or give them a heads up
> before the dance. I don’t often do it as a partner dance just so that
> everyone of all ages can join in, and let everyone know it’s a “follow the
> leader” dance. I turn on the music, start walking around and have people
> join onto the end of the line as I weave around room. Once everyone
> interested has joined, I lead the line in a circle around the edge of the
> room. Gradually I tighten the circle in a spiral formation until there’s
> just a small space in the middle - you do have to slow down as the spiral
> tightens to avoid too much pulling on arms. Once there’s just a bit of
> space in the middle, it’s a sharp u-turn for the leader, then spiral out.
> It is everyone’s favorite moment when it happens, especially if they didn’t
> realize it was coming! From there, as the spiral unwinds I lead around in a
> circle again until the next set of figures. I will weave in and out of the
> line without dropping hands as one move. Another is making arches - the
> first two make an arch, the line travels under and the next two make an
> arch and so on everyone has travelled under the arches and then formed one.
> At the point the arches “collapse” - the lead two people drop their arch
> and then travel under the arch themselves. Once out on the other side, can
> either transition to a move with everyone paired up or form up the
> line/ring of joined hands. When done with live music, once I’ve completed
> all the figures I drop hands and everyone gathers around where the band is
> and claps along until the music stops. Hopefully that makes sense! I can’t
> remember which book, but either Sashay the Donut or Listen to the
> Mockingbird describes some of the different possible moves. Google may
> bring up some different ideas and videos as well. 🙂
>
> -Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2023, at 7:43 AM, Hannah
Chamberlain via Contra Callers <
> contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Greeting callers!
> > I am calling a friend's wedding this weekend and she requested "the
> spiral dance," a circle dance where at some point one person leads everyone
> into a spiral (or, optionally, anywhere around the hall?). I think I've
> danced it before, but I'm having a hard time finding a name or notes on how
> to call it. Can anyone share a version with me?
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Hannah Chamberlain
> > (outside of) Portland, ME
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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 09:55:53 -0500
Subject: [Callers] Re: Gentlespoons/Ladles (from Rompin' Stompin')
Thanks for this Maia; you said it better than I can.
And as I’ve said elsewhere, learning to teach/call positionally and
adapting to dancing to Larks/Ravens has, for me, the bonus of creating new
brain cells and possibly delaying cognitive decline.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 9:47 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Happier days for some, but a lot of us, those
"haylcon days" were really
not all that. Transgender people and gays and lesbians having to hide who
they were, or not able to dance with (let alone marry) their partners for
fear of retaliation, or having to go to their own separate dances to feel
safe and accepted; women with no recourse if they were touched
inappropriately or made to feel unsafe; and more that I don't have a gut
sense for, not being part of those groups. For myself, I much prefer the
current time.
I'm sure it must feel jarring to experience this sort of contention and
discomfort, but I promise this is only a fraction of what minorities and
vulnerable groups have experienced in the dance scene over the years. I
hope that folks who have mostly coasted through a dance world built for
them are willing to endure a little proximal discomfort and change for the
sake of the people only just finding safety and community here.
I know email and especially large group discussions are a pretty lousy
way to have discussions and convey nuance; if Jon or anyone else yearning
for these "simpler times" is interested in having a one-on-one conversation
about this, drop me a line off-list.
Take care,
Maia
--
Maia McCormick (she/her)
917.279.8194
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Subject: [Callers] Re: Gentlespoons/Ladles (from Rompin' Stompin')
Hi Maia,
The part of my post referencing role names was meant to be ironic ("when
men were men ...") and was triggered by Robert's post about some future
nostalgia. I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone else. I have no problem
with any of the gender free names. Nor do I have a problem with "right
shoulder round" apart from it being a mouthful and that callers no longer
emphasize eye contact. But that's fine. I get that not everyone is
comfortable with making eye contact with everyone else. Those who want to,
do. Neither of these changes has in any way detracted from my dance
experience.
But the Covid part was not ironic. I definitely miss not being able to
simply go to a dance without restrictions. And I miss seeing people's
faces. But at least requirements like pre-registration, testing and mask
wearing impose reasonable requirements on all dancers, even though I
personally have chosen not to go to a dance that requires masking. But I
believe that vaccination requirements are out and out exclusionary and that
the data is at best mixed as to whether asymptomatic unvaccinated or
partially vaccinated dancers pose any greater risk of transmitting Covid
than asymptomatic fully vaccinated and boosted dancers, especially as the
virus continues to mutate. Requiring that a person puts a synthesized
chemical into their body is not equivalent to requiring that they wear a
mask. And that's why virtually all vaccination mandates have been dropped,
even by organizations like the Metropolitan Opera that caters to older,
more vulnerable populations. It's ironic that this thread is all about
making dances as inclusive as possible while some of the largest dances in
New England exclude over 80% of the population (those who have not gotten
the bivalent booster). It doesn't much matter what the role names are when
you're not allowed to go to a dance in the first place.
- Jon
On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 9:47 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Oh those halcyon days when gents were men, ladies
were women, birds were
birds, gypsies melted down, nobody cared how many jabs you had and you
never had to guess whether someone was smiling or frowning at you.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2023, at 9:23 PM, ROBERT FABINSKI via Contra Callers <
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I look forward to a day in the future when the "quaintness" of the
gendered terms will be used as a quirky theme for a dance evening, and
people will think it's so old fashioned that no one will take offense;
gendered terms will just be "the way it was a long time ago" and not the
contentious topic it has been for the last few years.
If that ever happens, the "Push Pa, Pull Ma" type dances with original
will be pure gold!
bobfab(a)aol.com
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Happier days for some, but a lot of us, those
"haylcon days" were really
not all that. Transgender people and gays and lesbians having to hide who
they were, or not able to dance with (let alone marry) their partners for
fear of retaliation, or having to go to their own separate dances to feel
safe and accepted; women with no recourse if they were touched
inappropriately or made to feel unsafe; and more that I don't have a gut
sense for, not being part of those groups. For myself, I much prefer the
current time.
I'm sure it must feel jarring to experience this sort of contention and
discomfort, but I promise this is only a fraction of what minorities and
vulnerable groups have experienced in the dance scene over the years. I
hope that folks who have mostly coasted through a dance world built for
them are willing to endure a little proximal discomfort and change for the
sake of the people only just finding safety and community here.
I know email and especially large group discussions are a pretty lousy
way to have discussions and convey nuance; if Jon or anyone else yearning
for these "simpler times" is interested in having a one-on-one conversation
about this, drop me a line off-list.
Take care,
Maia
--
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917.279.8194
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To: Jerome Grisanti <jerome.grisanti(a)gmail.com>
Cc: Hannah Chamberlain <hannahchamb(a)gmail.com>om>, Shared Weight Contra
Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Bcc:
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 15:58:25 +0000
Subject: [Callers] Re: The Spiral Dance
We have done this for decades and called it winding up the ball of yarn
Bob
On Feb 14, 2023, at 07:18, Jerome Grisanti via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
I would add this it's important for the dancers to know to keep holding on
during the spiral.
Also, I often quip as the ball is nearing its tightest that "planning
ahead wasn't always my strongest skill."
Adds a bit of drama as people wonder, "how's this going to end?"
Jerome
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023, 9:04 AM Jessica Atkinson via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> I’ve done this often as part of the Grand March, I do it as the first
> “dance” of the evening. The only people who really need to know what will
> happen is the first few people - I typically lead the group, and either
> prompt the next couple of people as necessary or give them a heads up
> before the dance. I don’t often do it as a partner dance just so that
> everyone of all ages can join in, and let everyone know it’s a “follow the
> leader” dance. I turn on the music, start walking around and have people
> join onto the end of the line as I weave around room. Once everyone
> interested has joined, I lead the line in a circle around the edge of the
> room. Gradually I tighten the circle in a spiral formation until there’s
> just a small space in the middle - you do have to slow down as the spiral
> tightens to avoid too much pulling on arms. Once there’s just a bit of
> space in the middle, it’s a sharp u-turn for the leader, then spiral out.
> It is everyone’s favorite moment when it happens, especially if they didn’t
> realize it was coming! From there, as the spiral unwinds I lead around in a
> circle again until the next set of figures. I will weave in and out of the
> line without dropping hands as one move. Another is making arches - the
> first two make an arch, the line travels under and the next two make an
> arch and so on everyone has travelled under the arches and then formed one.
> At the point the arches “collapse” - the lead two people drop their arch
> and then travel under the arch themselves. Once out on the other side, can
> either transition to a move with everyone paired up or form up the
> line/ring of joined hands. When done with live music, once I’ve completed
> all the figures I drop hands and everyone gathers around where the band is
> and claps along until the music stops. Hopefully that makes sense! I can’t
> remember which book, but either Sashay the Donut or Listen to the
> Mockingbird describes some of the different possible moves. Google may
> bring up some different ideas and videos as well. 🙂
>
> -Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
> Oh those halcyon days when gents were men, ladies
were women, birds were
birds, gypsies melted down, nobody cared how many jabs you had and you
never had to guess whether someone was smiling or frowning at you.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2023, at 9:23 PM, ROBERT FABINSKI via Contra Callers <
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I look forward to a day in the future when the "quaintness" of the
gendered terms will be used as a quirky theme for a dance evening, and
people will think it's so old fashioned that no one will take offense;
gendered terms will just be "the way it was a long time ago" and not the
contentious topic it has been for the last few years.
If that ever happens, the "Push Pa, Pull Ma" type dances with original
will be pure gold!
bobfab(a)aol.com
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wrote:
> >
> >
> > Greeting callers!
> > I am calling a friend's wedding this weekend and she requested "the
> spiral dance," a circle dance where at some point one person leads everyone
> into a spiral (or, optionally, anywhere around the hall?). I think I've
> danced it before, but I'm having a hard time finding a name or notes on how
> to call it. Can anyone share a version with me?
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Hannah Chamberlain
> > (outside of) Portland, ME
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To: "Stein, Robert" <steinr(a)msu.edu>
Cc: Hannah Chamberlain <hannahchamb(a)gmail.com>om>, Shared Weight Contra
Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Bcc:
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 12:13:13 -0500
Subject: [Callers] Re: The Spiral Dance
Goes by lots of names, spiral, ball of yarn, cinnamon bun. Here's a video
of one tacked onto the end of a dance (spiral at about 1 minute in)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=315YYGc9C3k
I'll note, you can go into it either by drawing the spiral tighter -
everyone keeps moving the same direction (say clockwise) but you on the
inside overtake folks by going faster. This is probably the easiest entry,
and is what's shown in the video.
You can, however, get in a slightly different way. Rather than drawing the
spiral tighter, have the line leader make a u-turn so that they're facing
back out as they draw the line. This means you don't have to go faster than
the outside line to start winding it up, you can move at the same pace. You
have folks immediately start passing each other face-to-face on that
outside ring, and make a spiral of outward facing folks. When you exit,
your outward bound line is facing in. The advantage is that it can help
prevent the end of the line from having to really hustle along (crack the
whip style).
Either way: for a wedding, if you have the couple right behind you in the
line, they'll be the first to the center. Jerome has his quip, I often say
something like "this is your community, surrounding and supporting you"
right before leading them out.
Have fun.
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 10:58 AM Stein, Robert via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
> We have done this for decades and called it winding up the ball of yarn
>
> Bob
>
> On Feb 14, 2023, at 07:18, Jerome Grisanti via Contra Callers <
> contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>
> I would add this it's important for the dancers to know to keep holding
> on during the spiral.
>
> Also, I often quip as the ball is nearing its tightest that "planning
> ahead wasn't always my strongest skill."
>
> Adds a bit of drama as people wonder, "how's this going to end?"
>
> Jerome
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023, 9:04 AM Jessica Atkinson via Contra Callers <
> contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>> I’ve done this often as part of the Grand March, I do it as the first
>> “dance” of the evening. The only people who really need to know what will
>> happen is the first few people - I typically lead the group, and either
>> prompt the next couple of people as necessary or give them a heads up
>> before the dance. I don’t often do it as a partner dance just so that
>> everyone of all ages can join in, and let everyone know it’s a “follow the
>> leader” dance. I turn on the music, start walking around and have people
>> join onto the end of the line as I weave around room. Once everyone
>> interested has joined, I lead the line in a circle around the edge of the
>> room. Gradually I tighten the circle in a spiral formation until there’s
>> just a small space in the middle - you do have to slow down as the spiral
>> tightens to avoid too much pulling on arms. Once there’s just a bit of
>> space in the middle, it’s a sharp u-turn for the leader, then spiral out.
>> It is everyone’s favorite moment when it happens, especially if they didn’t
>> realize it was coming! From there, as the spiral unwinds I lead around in a
>> circle again until the next set of figures. I will weave in and out of the
>> line without dropping hands as one move. Another is making arches - the
>> first two make an arch, the line travels under and the next two make an
>> arch and so on everyone has travelled under the arches and then formed one.
>> At the point the arches “collapse” - the lead two people drop their arch
>> and then travel under the arch themselves. Once out on the other side, can
>> either transition to a move with everyone paired up or form up the
>> line/ring of joined hands. When done with live music, once I’ve completed
>> all the figures I drop hands and everyone gathers around where the band is
>> and claps along until the music stops. Hopefully that makes sense! I can’t
>> remember which book, but either Sashay the Donut or Listen to the
>> Mockingbird describes some of the different possible moves. Google may
>> bring up some different ideas and videos as well. 🙂
>>
>> -Jessica
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2023, at 7:43 AM, Hannah
Chamberlain via Contra Callers <
>>
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Greeting callers!
>> > I am calling a friend's wedding this weekend and she requested
"the
>> spiral dance," a circle dance where at some point one person leads everyone
>> into a spiral (or, optionally, anywhere around the hall?). I think I've
>> danced it before, but I'm having a hard time finding a name or notes on how
>> to call it. Can anyone share a version with me?
>> > Thanks in advance,
>> > Hannah Chamberlain
>> > (outside of) Portland, ME
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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 12:20:27 -0500
Subject: [Callers] Re: The Spiral Dance
I do this with the basic circle dance, let the band know what you are
going to do though and be clear when you break the ring to lead the spiral
that all others hold hands. Kids esp love this. I do a weave though
arched hands and loop around several times before I take it to the very
center and then loop back out into that big circle again. you can end the
dance there or resume your original dance.
Mary
"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who
couldn't hear the music." - Nietzsche
“Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass ... it's about learning
to dance in the rain!” ~ unknown
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 7:43 AM Hannah Chamberlain via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Greeting callers!
I am calling a friend's wedding this weekend and she requested "the
spiral dance," a circle dance where at some point one person leads everyone
into a spiral (or, optionally, anywhere around the hall?). I think I've
danced it before, but I'm having a hard time finding a name or notes on how
to call it. Can anyone share a version with me?
Thanks in advance,
Hannah Chamberlain
(outside of) Portland, ME
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To: Jon Greene <greeneneerg(a)gmail.com>
Cc: Shared Weight Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net>
Bcc:
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 12:20:51 -0500
Subject: [Callers] Re: Gentlespoons/Ladles (from Rompin' Stompin')
Hi Jon,
I really appreciate you clarifying your email's intent and which parts
were facetious and which weren't!
Best,
Julian
On Tue, Feb 14, 2023, 10:32 AM Jon Greene via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi Maia,
The part of my post referencing role names was meant to be ironic ("when
men were men ...") and was triggered by Robert's post about some future
nostalgia. I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone else. I have no problem
with any of the gender free names. Nor do I have a problem with "right
shoulder round" apart from it being a mouthful and that callers no longer
emphasize eye contact. But that's fine. I get that not everyone is
comfortable with making eye contact with everyone else. Those who want to,
do. Neither of these changes has in any way detracted from my dance
experience.
But the Covid part was not ironic. I definitely miss not being able to
simply go to a dance without restrictions. And I miss seeing people's
faces. But at least requirements like pre-registration, testing and mask
wearing impose reasonable requirements on all dancers, even though I
personally have chosen not to go to a dance that requires masking. But I
believe that vaccination requirements are out and out exclusionary and that
the data is at best mixed as to whether asymptomatic unvaccinated or
partially vaccinated dancers pose any greater risk of transmitting Covid
than asymptomatic fully vaccinated and boosted dancers, especially as the
virus continues to mutate. Requiring that a person puts a synthesized
chemical into their body is not equivalent to requiring that they wear a
mask. And that's why virtually all vaccination mandates have been dropped,
even by organizations like the Metropolitan Opera that caters to older,
more vulnerable populations. It's ironic that this thread is all about
making dances as inclusive as possible while some of the largest dances in
New England exclude over 80% of the population (those who have not gotten
the bivalent booster). It doesn't much matter what the role names are when
you're not allowed to go to a dance in the first place.
- Jon
On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 9:47 PM Maia McCormick via Contra Callers <
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Bcc:
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 13:30:52 -0400 (AST)
Subject: [Callers] Re: The Spiral Dance
Can anyone suggest a video where the caller does lead the line under
another part of the line? And then plays around with arches?
I was once lucky to dance it this way with Sue Hulsether (thanks Sue!) but
didn't feel confident enough to replicate it, even after reading written
descriptions.
We *love* doing the spiral at the start of our dances since learning it
from Sue, but I haven't been brave enough to do anything fancier than the
basic wind-unwind, for fear of messing up with a large group of ppl on the
very first dance of the evening :)
Kat K
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Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 12:31:07 -0500
Subject: [Callers] Antivaxx stuff
Just want to let folks on this list know:
I'm entirely for choosing what you want to put in your body if it doesn't
harm others.
I also support (and help run) dances who understand that immunology _is_
about harm reduction to the public.
It's a complicated issue, absolutely. I don't think there is one universal
solution for each dance series.
However.
I'm autistic, so are many callers, and so are many dancers. The Anti-vaxx
movement in the US is heavily funded and tied to efforts that do not
respect, patronize, harm, and ignore the wishes of autistic people.
If your science isn't peer-reviewed and air-tight:
1. Autistic folks and their allies will likely regard this as a signal
that you don't care about them, whether that was your intention or not.
2. It has previously been asked not to be in Shared Weight.
So, can we please not?
Julian Blechner
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Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 17:53:35 +0000
Subject: [Callers] Re: The Spiral Dance
I’ve come to know this dance as the Farandole — a term that comes from
trad French dance (as per here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb74ey_LVeg). For people in search of
videos, the more specific term might help!
Louise
(Winchester, UK)
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Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 18:23:42 +0000
Subject: [Callers] Re: The Spiral Dance
I have led the “winding a ball of yarn,” for years at barn dances. Used to
do it occasionally at a contra dance—though not since square and other form
fell out of favor.
Then I think it was at a Quaker Yearly Meeting in Wisconsin when they
asked a local Native American Tribe to share their culture. There their
participatory part included “The Snake Shedding Its Skin.” The same as
Winding a Ball of Yarn.
Here’s a video of another Tribe doing a Snake dance ending with the leader
saying, “The snake has to coil up.” I think the song for the dance is
beautiful.
Cheers,
~Erik Hoffman
Oakland, CA
*From:* Louise Siddons via Contra Callers <
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*Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 9:54 AM
*To:* contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
*Subject:* [Callers] Re: The Spiral Dance
I’ve come to know this dance as the Farandole — a term that comes from
trad French dance (as per here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb74ey_LVeg). For people in search of
videos, the more specific term might help!
Louise
(Winchester, UK)
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To: Gabrielle Taylor <gabrielletaylor(a)vivissi.com>om>, Jim Thaxter <
jathaxter47(a)gmail.com>
Cc: Peghesley <peghesley(a)cox.net>et>, Shared Weight Contra Callers <
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Bcc:
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 19:00:21 +0000
Subject: [Callers] Re: Gentlespoons/Ladles (from Rompin' Stompin')
I don’t recall when I turned the Berkeley dance into a series that used
non-gendered terms, but we accepted it was early in the rage. Prior to
hearing about using these terms I used Men and Women. I didn’t use ladies
and gents as I didn’t want to use terms that were historically class based.
A dancer caught me in a private moment and after asking me why told me for
him and friends men and women were seen as a gender, ladies and gents were
roles, thus more comfortable to hear. I switched back to ladies and gents,
realizing they had lost much of the class meaning.
When I searching for non-gendered terms I found a list, a survey of
non-gendered terms being used. I think from it came from Amherst College.
The ones I remember were Jets & Rubies. “Jets,” I thought? Uh, “When you’re
a Jet, You’re a Jet?” Or is it a Jet spewing contrails? No. A jet is a gem
stone. Never knew that. Jets and Rubies didn’t work for me.
Then there were Trees and Squirrels. I like that one. Used them for a
couple months. Too lighthearted.
Finally landed on Larks and Ravens. Lasted a couple years until Ravens
lost favor and we went to Larks and Robins.
I am glad it seems Larks and Robins are becoming the standard.
When working in elementary schools, for years I used Red Birds and Blue
Birds, so Larks and Robins fit quite well.
I still use Gents and Ladies in communities that prefer those terms.
Cheers,
~Erik Hoffman
Oakland, CA
*From:* Gabrielle Taylor via Contra Callers <
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*Sent:* Thursday, February 9, 2023 5:57 AM
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*Cc:* Peghesley <peghesley(a)cox.net>et>; Shared Weight Contra Callers <
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*Subject:* [Callers] Re: Gentlespoons/Ladles (from Rompin' Stompin')
As a member of the LGBT community, my view (personal, from talking to
others, and from votes in local contra dances in Western Massachusetts) is
it's very good to have a consistent term that isn't inherently gendered.
After local debate and dance-specific polls, we've been using larks and
robins/ravens here since about 2018, and I think it's been a big
improvement over ladies/gents. Larks and robins are my personal preference,
since it's what everyone here is used to, and I at least don't have enough
bird knowledge to get confused about robins or larks having some inherent
gendering. I don't have any cultural stance against positional calling, but
the confusion of "lefts allemande right" seems a lot worse than learning
new terms.
Thanks,
Gabrielle
On Feb 9, 2023, at 13:45, Jim Thaxter via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Just a thought, but has anyone checked with the lgbtq community about what
terms they would like to have used?
Another thought, someone mentioned earlier in the thread that the
terminology issue had been discussed thoroughly some time ago and the
decision had been made to go with the birds. I don’t remember seeing or
hearing about a general survey sent out to all the CDSS affiliates or any
other general list of dance groups around the country or world vetting that
decision
Personally, I’m exploring positional calling. Just my gut feeling, but I
think fewer people would be challenged by right/left directional calls than
by being called bird names.
Jim Thaxter
Columbia, MO
On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 6:31 AM Amy Cann via Contra Callers <
contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Since no one else has mentioned this, I'll just say that my entire
personal difficulty with birds comes from fairy tales and ornithology.
When we say "robin" we are mostly thinking about that bird with the
"red breast", right? Not something kinda reddish-brownish? That's the
male. In my childhood I read any number of books with
anthropomorphised birds, and Mister Robin Redbreast was male. In a
bunch of the stories there was also small, sweet-singing female lark.
Add to that that in the states the robin is a different bird from in
the UK, and much larger, I've got two good reasons to think of the
robin as being the "male" role. My brain weighs the imagery and
memories against that silly little detail of starting with "R" or
"L"
and defaults obstinately to the exact wrong conclusion every time.
EVERY time. It's somewhat maddening. But "Ravens" was even worse,
because ravens are black and men in formal clothing dress in black, so
I guess things are better now??
Whew. Change is hard.
On 2/9/23, Peghesley via Contra Callers
<contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Happier days for some, but a lot of us, those
"haylcon days" were really
not all that. Transgender people and gays and lesbians having to hide who
they were, or not able to dance with (let alone marry) their partners for
fear of retaliation, or having to go to their own separate dances to feel
safe and accepted; women with no recourse if they were touched
inappropriately or made to feel unsafe; and more that I don't have a gut
sense for, not being part of those groups. For myself, I much prefer the
current time.
I'm sure it must feel jarring to experience this sort of contention and
discomfort, but I promise this is only a fraction of what minorities and
vulnerable groups have experienced in the dance scene over the years. I
hope that folks who have mostly coasted through a dance world built for
them are willing to endure a little proximal discomfort and change for the
sake of the people only just finding safety and community here.
I know email and especially large group discussions are a pretty lousy
way to have discussions and convey nuance; if Jon or anyone else yearning
for these "simpler times" is interested in having a one-on-one conversation
about this, drop me a line off-list.
Take care,
Maia
--
Maia McCormick (she/her)
917.279.8194
On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 5:37 PM Jon Greene via Contra Callers <
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Oh those halcyon days when gents were men, ladies
were women, birds
were birds, gypsies melted down, nobody cared how many jabs you had and you
never had to guess whether someone was smiling or frowning at you.
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On Feb 10, 2023, at 9:23 PM, ROBERT FABINSKI via Contra Callers <
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I look forward to a day in the future when the "quaintness" of the
gendered terms will be used as a quirky theme for a dance evening, and
people will think it's so old fashioned that no one will take offense;
gendered terms will just be "the way it was a long time ago" and not the
contentious topic it has been for the last few years.
If that ever happens, the "Push Pa, Pull Ma" type dances with original
will be pure gold!
bobfab(a)aol.com
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Bree, I’m making the same change as well and am
calling without
reference to
role and don’t need bird terms. Louise Siddons’
position is a compelling
one.
Peg Hesley
www.peghesley.com
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> On Feb 8, 2023, at 7:04 PM, Bree Kalb via Contra Callers
> <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>
>
> I made the same changes Chrissy did and for the same reason. I think it
> was 4-5 years ago when I switched from M and W to Gents and Ladies. And
> it seems to me that almost all the local callers did the same.
>
> ( Now I’m calling without reference to gender or role. Louise Siddons
> booklet “Dance the Whole Dance” from CDSS describes well what many of us
> are learning to do.)
>
> If it matters, my dance community is in a progressive/liberal area, so
> calling styles here might be different than in other places.
>
> Bree Kalb
> Carrboro, NC
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 8:18 PM Jacob or Nancy Bloom via Contra Callers
> <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>
>> At the Ralph Page Legacy day last month, Chrissy Fowler did a session
in
>> which she called dances as she called
them at different times in her
>> career. In it, she talked about how, at one point, she and other
female
>> callers were insisting on the term
"women" because they weren't ladies,
>> and then several years later they were insisting on the term "ladies"
>> because that was understood to be the name of a role.
>>
>> I can't give a year when it happened, but I do believe I remember a
time
>> when at least some callers were making it
explicitly clear that the
terms
>> Gents and Ladies referred to roles, and
anybody could dance either
role.
>>
>> Jacob
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023, 2:29 PM Tony Parkes via Contra Callers
>> <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe it’s in Myrtle Wilhite’s Lullaby of the Swing and other
contra
>>> dances, tunes, waltzes, and essays
(Madison, WI, 1993). I can’t lay my
>>> hand on my copy at the moment, but perhaps someone else has one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tony Parkes
>>>
>>> Billerica, Mass.
>>>
>>> www.hands4.com
>>>
>>> New book! Square Dance Calling: An Old Art for a New Century
>>>
>>> (available now)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Mary Collins <nativedae(a)gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2023 2:11 PM
>>> To: Jeff Kaufman <jeff(a)alum.swarthmore.edu>
>>> Cc: Tony Parkes <tony(a)hands4.com>om>; Joe Harrington
>>> <contradancerjoe(a)gmail.com>om>; contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Callers] Re: Gentlespoons/Ladles (from Rompin'
Stompin')
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff, me too...if you find it, share please.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> mary
>>>
>>> "And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those
who
>>> couldn't hear the music." -
Nietzsche
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass ... it's about
>>> learning to dance in the rain!” ~ unknown
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 9:58 AM Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers
>>> <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Aside: does anyone have a copy of the "I am not a lady" essay?
I'd
be
>>>> interested to read it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 9:54 AM Tony Parkes via Contra Callers
>>>> <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Harrington wrote:
>>