Hello Taco et al!
Our group in Halifax sounds very similar to the one you describe, with
about 50% newcomers each night. I'm passionate about the "system" I've
set up for our group so I'm going to share lots of detail here! I
certainly don't expect most of you to read it :D
Also, (and this may not be reflective of your group Taco), we don't have
a very serious or committed group of regulars - we hold 8 dances per
year and because everyone's lives are busy, our regulars may only make
it to 50-75% of our annual dances, so many of our regulars are only
dancing say, 4 x per year. So they are not progressing very quickly,
and in fact sometimes forgetting what they learned due to sparse
attendance :) So even our "upper echelon" dancers are not great contra
dancers for the most part -- they just love the concept of our up-beat,
gender-free, awesome-live-music, zesty dances.... and are pretty
tolerant to reviewing things each time they come. More experienced
dancers also tend to skip the first 30-45 minutes of the evening, unless
they happen to love the beginner-friendly stuff (which some do!).
With this environment, I've come up with a few strategies to try to keep
everything moving along, while also ensuring the newcomers feel
confident, well integrated and don't "blow up" the dances.
I would say a lot of what we are doing is along the same lines of what
you've been thinking, and works well for us.
Specifically:
- At the start of the evening I am almost always using 4 beats for my
calls, to give folks lots of head's up.
- I also try to think about the importance of *order* of the words.
For example, I'll say, "left hands in for a left hand star" - the first
few times I call it. They may not remember exactly what a star is or
how to do it, but if they get their left hand in the middle first, they
are set up for success.
I'll also say "With your neighbour left shoulder 'round"
So the first thing they hear is neighbour - ok - they are looking at the
right person--
Then they hear "left" so they are figuring out which side of the body to use
And finally the figure itself. Again- my thinking is: if they first
find the correct person, and then have a moment to process which side of
the body to use, the rest should flow well!
To your question about different ways to call say, the Robins chain or
DSD 1.5 to new neighbour...
For the chain, if I'm using it in a beginner-heavy dance I will have
taught thoroughly as my "feature figure" (see more on that below) - so
I'm not worried about how i call it during the dancing..... I feel
confident they know it inside and out by that point. I agree that it is
difficult to just "throw in there" in a dance where you have 50%
newbies. I think it takes special attention and practice.
for DSD 1.5 to new neighbour, I think it's definitely more important to
remind them they are going to a new neighbour than to quantify how much
of a do si do it is. (Personally as a dancer, I find anything to do
with math during the dance to be too much to handle - I LOVE it when a
caller says, "circle left 3 places to meet your partner on the side" -
because I simply cannot count 3 places while dancing - so finding my
partner is the target that works for me).
And as Amy suggests, starting 4 beats ahead of the figure but finishing
the call once they've started the figure can work well sometimes...
e.g. "1- 2-3-4- now with your neighbour do-si-do- all the way around
and a little bit more to the NEW neighbour then swing with them!"
RE what you wrote here- I agree, hard to call these ones efficiently!
"There's just no way to say"New Neighbor Allemande Left Once and a
Half"
in four beats.
So, which do you prefer? Do you have other ideas?
Robins, Allemande, Left, Across
Robins, Left, to Trade, places
Robins, Left, Once, and a Half
Robins, Left, to Your, Partner
As I wrote above, I think identifying the final destination is most
important - so yes, I would probably say, "Robins by the left, to trade
places!" Or "Robins by the left, to find your partner!"
OUR DANCE OUTLINE
- We have a 10 minute "intro session" where we cover the basic concepts
of how to stand relative to your partner (Larks on left, Robins on
right); the concept of effective holds, effective movements (I don't use
the term "giving weight" but we talk about various ways to be courteous
and create elastic fun when joining hands with others, including the
importance of feeling "sproing!" in your balances), and I also teach at
least two figures.
Usually we cover a right/left allemande (which we call a right-hand or
left-hand turn just to keep the terminology as directly linked to the
action as possible to keep it simpler on the brain)... and either a
rt-hand balance or a two-hand balance.
I choose two figures that will be featured in the first mixer dance of
the evening.
- We start with the spiral dance (snake dance) which leads off with some
circling right/left, walking into the centre and back - I don't do any
walk-through for this dance - I get the band to start plying right away
and I give sponteanous calls to the music-- people learn while listening
to the music and feeling the phrasing in their body. It's a great warm
up to the evening and the experienced dancers love it too.
- We next do a very simple circle mixer, which will feature at least one
if not two of the figures taught in the intro, and nothing else new.
- Then, for each dance after this, we start in a big "teaching circle"
-- and I introduce just one new figure prior to each dance.
The figure is demo'd, and then folks get to try it with their partner...
in a collegial environment where everyone can see each other and (most
importantly) everyone can clearly see me in the centre.
- The next dance of the evening is in a modified sicilian circle, with
becket progression (Partners are either facing in to the circle or out
of the circle and they slide left to progress). Currently (thanks to a
great suggestion on this listserve which I shall be forever grateful
for!!!) we are dancing only in Becket in my group, to keep things
simpler and allow me to call the option of "two hand turn OR swing with
your partner" from early on -- being able to swing early on keeps our
experienced dancers engaged - but newbies do not have to remember to
switch places after the turn... and the simple Becket ejection means
they don't have to switch places on the end either.
- After the Sicilian circle becket, i set up the teaching circle again
and teach one new figure.
Then I set up 3 duples in the centre and demonstrate dancing in contra
lines, Becket formation, with a few simple progressions like "slide
left", "long lines fwd and slide left on way back", "circle left and
keep circling to slide left to the new couple" etc. We discuss and
observe what happens when a couple reaches the end of the line. Then we
add in one more couple (so we have 3.5 duples) to show folks how that
changes the pattern.
- Then everyone forms contra lines and (without music) I call a random
assortment of figures, while also progressing the lines frequently, so
everyone has a chance to get ejected at least once. If we have a big
crowd, I'll force them into an excess number of shorter lines so that
this part goes faster- then we reform fewer, longer lines before the
next walkthrough.
- Then we walk through our first "real" contra dance, and dance it.
- For this first "real" contra and also at least one more after that,
nobody ever leaves home place-- that is, all the figures are simple ones
like do si do, left/right allemande, circle left/right, LLFB, partner
balance and two hand turn/(optional swing), that have people coming back
to their home place after 8 or 16 counts.
-After each dance we have a break, ppl switch partners, and we are back
to the teaching circle once again.
- The evening continues like this - walk through, dance, quick break +
find new partner, form big teaching circle & introduce one new figure,
form contra lines and walk through, dance.... throughout the evening.
We are never in the teaching circle for very long, and to keep the
experienced folks interested, I always try to think of a stylistic
pointer I can give them, for even the simplest of figures, so everyone
is learning something.
- We also rarely have to do more than one walkthrough with this method,
because I have carefully built up their skills and confidence
step-by-step through the evening, so they are never getting lost or
overwhelmed.
- After 2-3 dances in contra lines, I announce that it's now time to
learn our "feature figure" of the evening. The "feature figure" is
one
that I consider complex for our group.
This has included in the past
- Ravens chain (always starting with 2 consecutive ravens chains so ppl
come back to home place)
- Larks chain (as above)
- Hey
- SWL w Rory O'Moore
- Mad robin
- Something that involves a modified Cali twirl (in our gender free
dances I just say the Robins must pass in front... they don't
necessarily have to go under someone's arm).
- We come to the good old teaching circle for this, and we spend as much
time as is needed learning and practicing the figure (in couples and/or
duples as is relevant), until everyone feels confident in it.
Again, for those who know it well already, I try to share stylistic
pointers so they have something to focus on as they practice.
And I'm always looking for ways to ensure the teaching is thorough but
doesn't suck up too much time, and I take note each time I teach a
"feature figure" on what went well and what took too much time, so I can
streamline for next time.
I've learned that for teaching the Hey for example, it's handy to have
some big posters on the walls, where I draw the "shape" of the movement.
A picture is, as they say, worth a thousand words in this case! :)
- I then call 2-3 more dances which are relatively simple.... except at
least 2 of them contain that "feature figure". To be clear, other than
that feature figure, nothing else complex is added, we continue to use
the skills we've developed so far that evening....
Then (about 2 hours into the dance at this point), we announce that we
are switching gears, to the "advanced" segment of our evening.
We explain that to keep things interesting for our returning dancers, we
are now going to focus on them- there will be less explaining and things
will move faster, and the dances will get a fair bit more complicated.
We say that from this point onward, beginners are totally welcome and
encouraged to keep dancing, but they should start in the designated "I'm
not sure what I'm doing but I want to give it a try!" line.
Others who feel more confident are told to dance in the "yeah, I think
I've got this!" line.
This was an experiment we started two years ago, and it has worked
really well so it is now an established feature of our dances.
It means the last 45 minutes of our dance goes much more like what I
*imagine* a "regular" contra dance in the USA goes like - It is assumed
everyone knows all the figures, I do 1 walkthrough only, and then we
just start dancing and people iron out the kinks on the fly.
the fun thing is, if anyone in the "experienced" line is having a real
hard time and getting stressed, they can move themselves over to the
"beginner" line during the dancing and chill themselves out. And if
anyone in the beginner line feels like they have really aced it, they
can graduate themselves to the "experienced" line during the dancing.
Sometimes the "beginner" line totally falls apart and descends into
mayhem - but people are laughin gand having a great time because they
chose to be there and the expectations are low for them. And sometimes
the beginner line eventually nails it, and they all look so satisfied
with themselves!
At this point in the evening we still use the "teaching circle"
sometimes - but usually just to demo the dance if it's really complicated.
For the beginners, it's eye-opening to them to see how complex contra
dancing can be, and they are truly amazed! (Then they are even more
amazed when I tell them that even our "advanced" dances are considered
simple in most contra circles, and the really complex contra dances are
so complicated that I can't even understand or call them myself, hah!)
Hope this is helpful :)
Kat
Amy Wimmer via Contra Callers
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Sunday, April 13, 2025 3:36 PM
Does your dance group offer lessons before the actual dancing begins?
We offer a half hour lesson (though many folks arrive late and miss
some stuff) at the beginning of the dance to teach basic moves.
For a lesson I've found that starting with very simple moves (walking
to the beat, circle, allemande, do-si-do, etc.) and progressing to
more involved moves (swing, courtesy turn, right/left through, chain,
etc.) helps.
If I know I'll have lots of beginners I choose dances that are very
simple to start, then add only one new move with each successive dance.
I encourage experienced dancers to partner with beginners so they may
learn quicker.
As to using 4 beats per call: you don't have to get all the words out
before the move begins. For example, with a circle left 3 places you
can start on beat 7 and say, "Circle left," wait for a beat, then say,
"3 places." They'll hear the "what to do" and start that, then
they
will have the head space to hear "how far."
I agree with Mac that you may be trying to teach dances that are just
too hard for the crowd to have success.
Also, if you can practice calling with a small group of experienced
dancers, say at a house party, you'll get the practice you need in a
much less stressful environment.
Best of luck to you.
-Amy Wimmer
Seattle
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Sunday, April 13, 2025 2:56 PM
You might be getting way to difficult for the crowd you describe.
Having half experienced dancers is about the threshold for doing duple
minor contras.
I like to stick to dances that are harder to mess up. Circles, some
simple squares, scatter mixers, grand march, Virginia Reel, etc.
Missing a progression in a contra can break down the whole set.
You mentioned chains - I find courtesy turns are one of the hardest
things for beginners to figure out. I'd avoid them.
I have called many evenings without doing any contras. In groups with
lots of beginners - I build up to them and then carefully introduce
some with very easy progressions and where ending a swing on the
correct side is not all that important
Mac McKeever
On Sunday, April 13, 2025 at 12:01:40 PM CDT, Taco van Ieperen via
Contra Callers <contracallers(a)lists.sharedweight.net> wrote:
Hi All,
I've been thinking a lot about calling for beginner dancers. I've seen
big changes in the last few years where our dances now often have more
than 50% newcomers.
As a relatively new caller. I have some observations and ideas, and
I'd love perspective from people who are more experienced.
Walkthroughs:
With experienced dancers, you can do an efficient walkthrough and
teach a figure in the context of the dance. With beginners, I've seen
walkthroughs fall apart because by the time you've explained a move
and dealt with the group that has gotten all scrambled, the dancers
have completely forgotten where they are in the walkthrough and where
they started the dance. This is leading me towards the idea of
isolating new figures *before* the walkthrough: If it's the first time
doing a move, teach the move first, and then do the walkthrough that
includes this move. "This dance has a new figure called a Robin's
Chain. It works like this.... <chain stuff>. That looks great. Now
let's learn the dance...."
Also, with experienced dancers, people "get it" during the dance, so
you can do two walkthroughs and even if some people are confused ii
will straighten itself out. With new dancers it feels much more
important that everyone succeed in the walkthroughs because confusion
can get worse instead of better. But at some point you can't keep
doing walkthroughs. My gut instinct is that if I teach the figures
before and can't explain the dance in two walkthroughs then I need to
get better at walkthroughs or teach easier dances.
Thoughts?
Caller Style:
I really like making each call four counts as it provides
predictable rhythm to the calling:
1,2,3,4, WITH your | PARTner | BALance and | SWING
For some calls I can give the destination location, or the destination
person:
"Robins, Chain, Across the, Set"
"Neighbor, Dosido, to NEW, Neighbor"
vs
"Robins, Chain, To your, Partner"
"Neighbor, DoSido, Once and a, half"
To your partner seems more clear, but I can also see that having two
different people in the call could create confusion. Does one format
work better in your experience?
Related, I find the most annoying figures to call are 1.5 figures.
There's just no way to say
"New Neighbor Allemande Left Once and a Half" in four beats. Also,
beginners struggle parsing 1.5x as trading places, especially across
the set.
It seems like a lot of callers drop the Allemande and just shorten it
to "Left" or "Right". Which probably is fine after two clear
walkthroughs.
So, which do you prefer? Do you have other ideas?
Robins, Allemande, Left, Across
Robins, Left, to Trade, places
Robins, Left, Once, and a Half
Robins, Left, to Your, Partner
Robins, Do si, do, across
Anyway, just thinking aloud and curious what other peoples thoughts are.
Taco
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Sunday, April 13, 2025 2:01 PM
Hi All,
I've been thinking a lot about calling for beginner dancers. I've seen
big changes in the last few years where our dances now often have more
than 50% newcomers.
As a relatively new caller. I have some observations and ideas, and
I'd love perspective from people who are more experienced.
Walkthroughs:
With experienced dancers, you can do an efficient walkthrough and
teach a figure in the context of the dance. With beginners, I've seen
walkthroughs fall apart because by the time you've explained a move
and dealt with the group that has gotten all scrambled, the dancers
have completely forgotten where they are in the walkthrough and where
they started the dance. This is leading me towards the idea of
isolating new figures *before* the walkthrough: If it's the first time
doing a move, teach the move first, and then do the walkthrough that
includes this move. "This dance has a new figure called a Robin's
Chain. It works like this.... <chain stuff>. That looks great. Now
let's learn the dance...."
Also, with experienced dancers, people "get it" during the dance, so
you can do two walkthroughs and even if some people are confused ii
will straighten itself out. With new dancers it feels much more
important that everyone succeed in the walkthroughs because confusion
can get worse instead of better. But at some point you can't keep
doing walkthroughs. My gut instinct is that if I teach the figures
before and can't explain the dance in two walkthroughs then I need to
get better at walkthroughs or teach easier dances.
Thoughts?
Caller Style:
I really like making each call four counts as it provides
predictable rhythm to the calling:
1,2,3,4, WITH your | PARTner | BALance and | SWING
For some calls I can give the destination location, or the destination
person:
"Robins, Chain, Across the, Set"
"Neighbor, Dosido, to NEW, Neighbor"
vs
"Robins, Chain, To your, Partner"
"Neighbor, DoSido, Once and a, half"
To your partner seems more clear, but I can also see that having two
different people in the call could create confusion. Does one format
work better in your experience?
Related, I find the most annoying figures to call are 1.5 figures.
There's just no way to say
"New Neighbor Allemande Left Once and a Half" in four beats. Also,
beginners struggle parsing 1.5x as trading places, especially across
the set.
It seems like a lot of callers drop the Allemande and just shorten it
to "Left" or "Right". Which probably is fine after two clear
walkthroughs.
So, which do you prefer? Do you have other ideas?
Robins, Allemande, Left, Across
Robins, Left, to Trade, places
Robins, Left, Once, and a Half
Robins, Left, to Your, Partner
Robins, Do si, do, across
Anyway, just thinking aloud and curious what other peoples thoughts are.
Taco
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