7 Jan
2013
7 Jan
'13
4:35 p.m.
Barb,
At the risk of me sounding stupid, I'll ask, because I think it will help
provide good perspective. Feel free to answer less than all of them, as I'm
asking a lot of questions:
- For how long has this gone on?
- What immediate reactions do you get from dancers when you ask them to
stop yanking you around?
- Have you considered talking to dance organizers? Have you talked to them?
What was their response?
- Does this happen at some dances more than others? What common factors
seem to go along with the problem? What common factors seem to go along
with a dance with less of this problem?
in dance,
Ron
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:26 AM, barb kirchner <barbkirchner(a)hotmail.com>wrote;wrote:
when i am able to dance these days, i almost always dance the gent's role.
i have a problem with my right foot and too many guys just don't pick up
on signals and it gets tiring for me to tell people to stop yanking me
around. but even when i was a dancing fanatic, there were experienced men i
never danced with because they were absolutely sure they could throw me
around no matter how many times i asked them not to.
yup, at some dances, it's just how things are. on the other hand, i've
been to plenty of dances where i've been treated courteously and
appropriately, so i tend to think it is the culture of the particular dance
community or region. cheers,barb > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 06:04:16 -0800
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From: pshaf(a)yahoo.com
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Subject: Re: [Callers] women's experiences
I am curious - is this seen more often in women than it is in men
playing the role
of the woman? I've been the woman a number of times in
dances, and I do see the pushiness of some males - twirling me when I don't
want to be twirled, even being subject to a (small) dip one time.
Generally though (at least in my home communities) I'm not subject to
this. It also doesn't SEEM like women are resigned to pushy males - most
ladies I see seem to enjoy their twirls and dips - but that could be due to
the segregation of lines that has occurred, at least at Glen Echo.
Perry
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From: Ron T Blechner <contraron(a)gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Callers] women's experiences
I've been having conversations with a lot of my female friends in the
dance
community over the past 6 months over their
experiences as women. I won't
make a lengthy itemization of what I've found, because I think it's
something every caller should do for themself, however, the one thought
I'd
share is the one I find most disappointing:
- Women have expressed that they put up with far more crap from pushy
males
than I personally would put up with had the
situation be reversed; there
is
a far more prevalent sense of resignation of
"that's just how things are
/
it's not so bad" than I had believed.
in dance,
Ron
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Aahz Maruch <aahz(a)pobox.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 06, 2013, Tom Hinds wrote:
> >
> > I haven't been following this topic of lead/follow at all but Bree's
> > statement really caught my eye. I'm very curious to know what it's
> > like to dance as a women with men who have a wide range of skills
> > and personalities.
> >
> > I should set aside an evening and dance disguised as a women to
> > really understand what the experience is like.
>
> Unless you have experience cross-dressing (i.e. can successfully
> disguise yourself), your experience will almost certainly be somewhat
> different from a woman's. I definitely get treated somewhat
differently
by men.
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