On 10/30/2015 2:08 PM, John Sweeney via Callers wrote:
Pleas could you clarify how you intend to pronounce
"gyre"?
I have been saying "gyre" with a hard "g" as in "give" or
"gimble".
But if it is related to "gyrate" then maybe people are using a soft
"g" and
making it sound like "jire".
Which do you use? Thanks.
By the way, I am still having major problems with understanding why the word
needs to be changed. "Gypsy" is not inherently bad.
Just Google, say, "gypsy pope" and you will find countless articles in
countless papers and other media (including Vatican Radio) referring to
"gypsies". Are they and the pope all racist? And that is just one example.
Here's an article from 2003 about a guy who was at the time the official
international ambassador of the Romani people to the United Nations,
which seems pretty close to being an official spokesperson.
http://www.utexas.edu/features/archive/2003/romani.html
QUOTE:
What's in a Name?: Professor takes on roles of Romani activist and
spokesperson to improve plight of his ethnic group
Ian Hancock is not a gypsy. He is a Romani. The difference in
nomenclature is so important that Hancock, a professor of English,
linguistics and Asian studies at The University of Texas at Austin since
1972, has devoted most of his adult life to dispelling ignorance about
the ethnic group into which he was born.
Romanticized, fictional representation of 'gypsies' from cover of song book
Romanticized, fictional representations of “gypsies” leave the general
public with little accurate information about Romanies.
“Most people don’t know that appending the name ‘gypsy’ to my people is
both wrong and pejorative,” says Hancock, the official ambassador to the
United Nations and UNICEF for the world’s 15 million Romanies and the
only Romani to have been appointed to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial
Council. “‘Gypsy’ is simply a shortened form of Egyptian—that’s what
many outsiders thought Romanies were. Using a little ‘g’ in ‘gypsy’ also
compounds the problem because that indicates that as a common noun it’s
a lifestyle choice and not that we’re an actual ethnic group.
“Most people don’t even have a minimal education about Romanies. They
don’t know that seventy percent of the Romani population of
Nazi-occupied Europe were murdered during the Holocaust. Or that we’re
the largest ethnic minority in Europe but have no political strength,
military strength, economic strength or a territory. Or, for that
matter, that there are over one million Romani Americans.”
Educating the public about Romani history and culture has been a
colossal task for Hancock because most individuals do, unfortunately,
have a graphic mental image of the “typical gypsy,” but they have formed
their ideas from all the wrong information.
According to Hancock, most people are only familiar with the surfeit of
romantic fairytale myths that surround the diverse collection of
individuals erroneously termed “gypsies.”
Novels, poems, plays, films and songs over the past several centuries
have portrayed ‘gypsies’ as free-spirited, promiscuous, indigent
criminals who dance around campfires and are fortunetellers, thieves and
liars. ‘Gypsies’ are carefree and enjoy an almost childlike innocence
and release from duty. ‘Gypsies’ practice witchcraft, steal babies in
the dead of night and are filthy and unkempt, so the stories say.
“This ridiculous fictional image has taken on a life of its own,” says
Hancock. “The cliché description of Romanies is so deeply rooted that it
may never totally be eradicated. There are countless representations in
films and books of Italians as Mafia members, but no one actually
believes that all Italians are Mafia members. That is not true for my
people.”
So he doesn't like cap-g Gypsy because that implies its an ethnic group
and his ethnic group is called "Romani", and he doesn't like small-g
gypsy because that implies that it's a lifestyle choice, etc. (The
article goes on to discuss horrific oppression of Romani people in
Europe, etc.)
I think this bolsters the idea that some 'gypsies' find the use of the
word 'gypsy' offensive and problematic.
It is only racist if you use tone or context to make
it so. But that can
apply to just about any word.
And in a dance environment it is definitely not racist.
I don't think we can expect people to look into our hearts and tell that
we're not being racist when we use a term for their people that they
find offensive. (It's problematic. I might want to have a discussion
about a genre of music popular in the late 1800s and early 1900s,
usually written by white songwriters but in which the speaker is black;
they called these "coon songs". If you want to have an academic
discussion - what are the themes, what was the demand for them, was the
demand higher in the South than the North, who performed them, all of
which are interesting questions - can you call them "coon songs" and
expect black people to find that completely inoffensive just because
you're using the correct historical name, which was at the time not
intended to be any more offensive than any other way of referring to
black people in common currency except perhaps "Negro" - because YOU
know you're not being racist? )
If anyone ever asks me (and I doubt it will ever
happen) I will tell them
that we call people who travel to dances "dance gypsies", just using the
word to mean someone who travels; the move likewise is just a move where you
travel around each other. No deep meaning!
Everybody's gotta make their own call on this. You haven't convinced
me; I doubt I'll convince you.
-- Alan